Celtic FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014/15 Mod Warning post #6011

Lennonist

Roy Keane's turn to be favourite with bookies, he's 5to4 right now I've a tenner on him at 33to1.

Of the list of candidates linked to the job so far, he'd be the best choice. Don't know if he could agree a deal with te board regarding the budget if they were to talk to him.

weldoninhio

Lennonist wrote: »

Roy Keane's turn to be favourite with bookies, he's 5to4 right now I've a tenner on him at 33to1.

Of the list of candidates linked to the job so far, he'd be the best choice. Don't know if he could agree a deal with te board regarding the budget if they were to talk to him.

I don't think he has the patience or the temperament to deal with players or the pressure that comes with the job.

A Dub in Glasgo

I don't think Keane is best choice

PauloMN

Lennonist wrote: »

Roy Keane's turn to be favourite with bookies, he's 5to4 right now I've a tenner on him at 33to1.

Of the list of candidates linked to the job so far, he'd be the best choice. Don't know if he could agree a deal with te board regarding the budget if they were to talk to him.

Please please please not Keane. Out of all the candidates linked with the job, I think he's one of the weakest actually.

weldoninhio wrote: »

I don't think he has the patience or the temperament to deal with players or the pressure that comes with the job.

Agreed. I also think Keane would get bored very quickly at Celtic. I personally wouldn't want him anywhere near Celtic.

RoryMac

I'm a fan of Keane but don't want him to get the Celtic job, I'm not sure he has it in him to be a good manager and think he would end up creating a big of a mess before he was sacked/resigned.

Don't think he's tactically up to the job of getting results in the CL either.

I'm hoping the board are looking at someone not already mentioned in the media as I'm not crazy about any of the names mentioned

rosskind

Juan Carlos Osorio.

Dempsey

The Bookies are hedging their bets with the odds if you ask me.

Keane is a manager that needs to spend money to be a success. How does that fit in with Celtic's business model? I dont think he does, I certainly dont think he's learned much from MON yet and I think there are better options being linked to the club that will take the club forward more effectively.

I think a director of football will be hired as Celtic look to improve stability & continuity at the club. Lennon has shown that managers worth their salt will be a success and regardless of their affinity for the club wont want to do a Jock Stein/Willie Maley. The shelf life of a Celtic manager will be 5 years max regardless of success and the last thing the club will want is a manager looking to radically alter the playing style, squad or progression of younger talent into the first team.

Lennonist

PauloMN wrote: »

Please please please not Keane. Out of all the candidates linked with the job, I think he's one of the weakest actually.

Really. You think that Owen Coyle for example would be a better choice?

I'm not sure we'd get Keane if we asked him, I think he might turn us down and we'd end up with Coyle. If we did get Keane I think he'd squeeze a bit more out of the board in terms of funds, I think he'd attract media attention which in turn could boost the coffers a bit with publicity and ticket sales. There would be an element of gamble with him, even if he did well I wouldn't say he'd be here longer than 2 or 3 seasons. He has some experience behind him, as much as most of the other candidates that have been linked - Lennon got the job when he had no experience. From the list that I see so far, I'd give him the job.

Lennonist

Dempsey wrote: »

The Bookies are hedging their bets with the odds if you ask me.

Keane is a manager that needs to spend money to be a success. How does that fit in with Celtic's business model? I dont think he does, I certainly dont think he's learned much from MON yet and I think there are better options being linked to the club that will take the club forward more effectively.

I think a director of football will be hired as Celtic look to improve stability & continuity at the club. Lennon has shown that managers worth their salt will be a success and regardless of their affinity for the club wont want to do a Jock Stein/Willie Maley. The shelf life of a Celtic manager will be 5 years max regardless of success and the last thing the club will want is a manager looking to radically alter the playing style, squad or progression of younger talent into the first team.

Peter Lawwell is more or less the Director of Football I reckon. We can't do much about a manager who wants away after a few seasons, a bit like some of our players profiles, a lot of them don't intend to stay beyond 2 or 3 seasons.

The bookies could easily have a different favourite tomorrow, I don't think a decision will be made for another week or two.

RoryMac

Interesting that you pick Coyle to compare with Keane as most of the others have a better CV than Keane.

Keane has 1 good season with Sunderland in the Championship bankrolled with millions to spend on his CV, for me guys like MacKay, Moyes(unlikely), Laudraup even Lambert have better.credentials for the job

Dempsey

Lennonist wrote: »

Peter Lawwell is more or less the Director of Football I reckon. We can't do much about a manager who wants away after a few seasons, a bit like some of our players profiles, a lot of them don't intend to stay beyond 2 or 3 seasons.

The bookies could easily have a different favourite tomorrow, I don't think a decision will be made for another week or two.

Remember that Lawwell tried to bring in a DOF well into Lennon's tenure. Lawwell on his own doesnt possess the skillset to be a director of football, neither does John Park. Thats why the manager & Park have the input that they do into the process and Lawwell focuses solely on the money side of it.

But that process is fallible when a manager like Mowbray or even Moyes at United who wants to rip everything up after a wet weekend in the job and leave the squad & wage structure in a mess i.e. someone that wants to change things too much too quickly. A DOF can minimize that, the current setup has shown that it doesnt offer any protection from that.

Lennonist

RoryMac wrote: »

Interesting that you pick Coyle to compare with Keane as most of the others have a better CV than Keane.

Keane has 1 good season with Sunderland in the Championship bankrolled with millions to spend on his CV, for me guys like MacKay, Moyes(unlikely), Laudraup even Lambert have better.credentials for the job

MacKay got Cardiff promoted but then got sacked midway through the season in the EPL. I doubt Cardiff would've stayed up whether he remained on or not. Moyes we wont get, he'll probably get another EPL job or might move abroad. Laudrup did well initially but then it seemed to go sour and he was sacked for not turning up as I recall. Lambert? Don't think he would want it.

I'd have reservations about Keane as well due to his career in management up til this, he didn't do much with Ipswich, but I still think he's the best choice of those realistic candidates that have been linked so far.

Lennonist

Dempsey wrote: »

Remember that Lawwell tried to bring in a DOF well into Lennon's tenure. Lawwell on his own doesnt possess the skillset to be a director of football, neither does John Park. Thats why the manager & Park have the input that they do into the process and Lawwell focuses solely on the money side of it.

But that process is fallible when a manager like Mowbray or even Moyes at United who wants to rip everything up after a wet weekend in the job and leave the squad & wage structure in a mess i.e. someone that wants to change things too much too quickly. A DOF can minimize that, the current setup has shown that it doesnt offer any protection from that.

He talked to Stuart Baxter, but that was 'cos Lennon was a rookie manager.

I don't think anyone will be ripping up the wage structure no matter who it is that gets the job. The financial model will remain largely conservative, although there might be a loosening of the purse strings initially and a tweaking to the model - depending on who gets the job.

RoryMac

Lennonist wrote: »

MacKay got Cardiff promoted but then got sacked midway through the season in the EPL. I doubt Cardiff would've stayed up whether he remained on or not. Moyes we wont get, he'll probably get another EPL job or might move abroad. Laudrup did well initially but then it seemed to go sour and he was sacked for not turning up as I recall. Lambert? Don't think he would want it.

I'd have reservations about Keane as well due to his career in management up til this, he didn't do much with Ipswich, but I still think he's the best choice of those realistic candidates that have been linked so far.

I think MacKay was very harshly sacked and Laudrup did well until he fell out with the board but as I said I'm not blown away by any of the candidates at the minute.

I'd love Keane to work out if he gets the job but I think he'll be found out tactically in the CL and his poor man management skills will cause rifts in the dressing room.

The man management issue is the big one for me as in reality we won't have any challenge in the league for another couple of years so there is plenty of room for a new manager to learn in the job.

Maybe he has learned from his experiences but I'd prefer his next management job to be somewhere else before seeing him at Celtic.

Dempsey

Lennonist wrote: »

He talked to Stuart Baxter, but that was 'cos Lennon was a rookie manager.

I don't think anyone will be ripping up the wage structure no matter who it is that gets the job. The financial model will remain largely conservative, although there might be a loosening of the purse strings initially and a tweaking to the model - depending on who gets the job.

Stuart Baxter and Strachan were approached in Lennon's 2nd full season. Peter Houston is already at the club, he could officially/unofficially fill that role. DOF isn't all about buying players either.

I didn't say rip up the wage structure, I said make a mess of it which Mowbray did despite Park & Lawwell having the same input into the process as they do now

bobmalooka

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/25/neil-lennon-persecution-shames-scotland-celtic-manager

I hope I'm not dragging things off on too much of a tangent but I saw this article in the guardian and taught it was something ye might want to read.

We shouldn't be surprised that Neil is looking for a new challenge, giving all he had to deal with just for doing his job it's only natural that unless it's completely fulfilling his professional ambitions it's not worth doing.

Lennonist

bobmalooka wrote: »

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/25/neil-lennon-persecution-shames-scotland-celtic-manager

I hope I'm not dragging things off on too much of a tangent but I saw this article in the guardian and taught it was something ye might want to read.

We shouldn't be surprised that Neil is looking for a new challenge, giving all he had to deal with just for doing his job it's only natural that unless it's completely fulfilling his professional ambitions it's not worth doing.

I'd hate to think that it was part of the reason why he left, but it probably was there in the background. He did well to face it down and I don't think the football and civic authorities in Scotland handled it with confidence, more than anything I think they wanted the situation around Lennon when it was at it's worst just to go away.

I hope he's back at Parkhead at some stage in the future as manager with Celtic playing in a Euro League perhaps.

Dempsey

bobmalooka wrote: »

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/25/neil-lennon-persecution-shames-scotland-celtic-manager

I hope I'm not dragging things off on too much of a tangent but I saw this article in the guardian and taught it was something ye might want to read.

We shouldn't be surprised that Neil is looking for a new challenge, giving all he had to deal with just for doing his job it's only natural that unless it's completely fulfilling his professional ambitions it's not worth doing.

Pretty much nails it on the head. Incredible the ****e he's endured but you'll still have people coming out with the he brings it on himself tripe. Seen plenty of those comments on this forum too and beyond from some very ignorant people.

Lennonist

Roy Keane is currently 2to9 for the job

http://balls.ie/football/roy-keane-celtic-rumours-escalating/

rob316

I have it on extremely good authority Keane is in talks with Celtic currently for the job. A relation of his confirmed it to me. The generally feeling is he would be mad not to take it and probably will.

RoryMac

If he gets the job he gets it for reasons other than his ability as a manager, it's all about putting bums on seats.

Hopefully he will prove me wrong but I really don't see this ending well

PauloMN

Jesus. Keane won't put bums on seats, let alone be a good manager for Celtic. Fcuking farce.

Lord Trollington

I don't really know what some of ye guys are expecting. Outside of qualifying for the Champions League which is not a forgone conclusion there is absolutely no draw for any top manager to Celtic.

All this talk of Laudrup & Moyes is fancifull whilst Owen Coyle and Lambert is highly debatable whether they are any better than Keane.

Martin O'Neill is backing Keane for the job and wanted him as his number 2 with Ireland. Is that not enough for some lads to give Keane some sort of shot before h's ever been appointed.

It will certainly renew my interest in Celtic if he gets the job.

Lennonist

PauloMN wrote: »

Jesus. Keane won't put bums on seats, let alone be a good manager for Celtic. Fcuking farce.

From the list of candidates doing the rounds, who do you want that we could realistically get?

RoryMac

Lord Trollington wrote: »

I don't really know what some of ye guys are expecting. Outside of qualifying for the Champions League which is not a forgone conclusion there is absolutely no draw for any top manager to Celtic.

All this talk of Laudrup & Moyes is fancifull whilst Owen Coyle and Lambert is highly debatable whether they are any better than Keane.

Martin O'Neill is backing Keane for the job and wanted him as his number 2 with Ireland. Is that not enough for some lads to give Keane some sort of shot before h's ever been appointed.

It will certainly renew my interest in Celtic if he gets the job.

I dont think anyone here thought Moyes was a realistic option to be manager, Laudrup would be an outside bet IMO but again unlikely and probably over-rated. My preference would be MacKay or McNamara but as I said before I'm not fully sold on any of the options being mentioned at present.

The problem I have with Keane is that his only success came after signing a truckload of players at Sunderland and it quickly went pear-shaped when they got to the EPL. He lost the backing of the board & players and then the same thing happened at Ipswich.

I would like to see the club take the same approach they do with signing players and find someone with potential at a club in Holland, Portugal etc a guy with a philosophy of playing attacking football and a record for improving young players.

Dempsey

Lord Trollington wrote: »

I don't really know what some of ye guys are expecting. Outside of qualifying for the Champions League which is not a forgone conclusion there is absolutely no draw for any top manager to Celtic.

All this talk of Laudrup & Moyes is fancifull whilst Owen Coyle and Lambert is highly debatable whether they are any better than Keane.

Martin O'Neill is backing Keane for the job and wanted him as his number 2 with Ireland. Is that not enough for some lads to give Keane some sort of shot before h's ever been appointed.

It will certainly renew my interest in Celtic if he gets the job.

Sounds like you didn't bother reading back before trotting out this nonsense.

Lord Trollington

Dempsey wrote: »

Sounds like you didn't bother reading back before trotting out this nonsense.

I'm constantly in and out of the Celtic Forum, even though I don't post much.

You'd have the authority on nonsense as you post quite a bit of it yourself in here.

PauloMN

Lennonist wrote: »

From the list of candidates doing the rounds, who do you want that we could realistically get?

Mackay probably the best of them. I'd much much prefer to have him than Keane tbh.

Dempsey

Lord Trollington wrote: »

I'm constantly in and out of the Celtic Forum, even though I don't post much.

You'd have the authority on nonsense as you post quite a bit of it yourself in here.

In and out at best.

Show where all this talk about Moyes/Laudrup took place then?

Lennonist

PauloMN wrote: »

Mackay probably the best of them. I'd much much prefer to have him than Keane tbh.

Keane has as much if not more experience as a manager than MacKay. He's also a bigger name in football, and might be able to attract players that MacKay wouldn't. Keane would probably get more out of the board, initially anyway, for signings.

If it's between those two, I'd definitely go for Keane.