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Fracking announced for Belcoo

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  • #32
    BBJBIG
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 277 ✭✭BBJBIG


    Well Look ... What a Surprise !!!

    D'Oirish are now Debt Slaves and Oireland is being sold off to the Foreinners bit-by-bit.
    As well as that, Population displacement via immigration of foreinn scab labour from
    3rd wurld countries.

    So ... Frack On ... who gives a Fluck anymore ...


  • #33
    lightspeed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,377 ✭✭✭lightspeed


    Can we not replace this fracking business with Nuclear power?

    No one wants nuclear power but it is far more efficient than other power sources.

    We dont get regular tsunamis like Japan and others countries like France get by with Nuclear power without any problems.

    We tried wind power and there was huge opposition from locals as noone wants to live next to a big noisy farm of windmills.

    Other renewable energy sources are just not cost efficient to implement.


  • #34
    ajjmk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 338 ✭✭ajjmk


    Jensen Raspy Switch wrote: »
    Sarcasm radar broken is it?

    You may have been saying it sarcastically, and I'm sorry for snapping at you, but I've met so many people who genuinely have that opinion. They feel like it's okay introduce something controversial to an area if it has a low population.


  • #35
    Autonomous Cowherd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭Autonomous Cowherd


    md23040 wrote: »
    There's plenty of space and bugger all people - frack away, as long as it efficiently taps natural resources, complies with EU regulations and provides tax revenue. It hasn't done America's tourist industry any harm, and it's a country that has become energy independent because of it, and soon will be an exporter through LNG port terminals.

    Should it lead to gas at half its current price, like in Uncle Sam compared to Europe, then tear away - better than relying on Russians and Arabs with their unstable situations/supply/price hikes.

    Gosh, you sound sensible. Pity it doesn't translate into reality. The tax revenue we (ie our trousering government) get will be pretty small compared to the overall ''haul''; there is loads of evidence of regulations being ignored and broken by shale gas companies worldwide, some countries in the EU are banning fracking because of its proven health and environmental costs, I happen to be in daily contact with a real-estate agent in oklahoma in an area where 7 out of 10 of the houses are for sale but cannot be sold because their tap water is undrinkable due to fracking contamination. Parts of the US have been left destroyed by fracking and we are a very small country land mass wise, so guess what it might just take a bit longer to bite YOU in the ass than us here, but bite you it will if it goes aead.


  • #36
    JohnFalstaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 906 ✭✭✭JohnFalstaff


    Jensen Raspy Switch wrote: »
    About time. We need a domestic source of fuel. If we don't tap the resources in Leitrim it will just be drilled for from the Northern side anyway.

    They drink our milkshake?


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  • #37
    theKillerBite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 195 ✭✭theKillerBite


    I heard wind turbines is the leading cause of homelessness and coal burning is making people addicted to heroin.


  • #38
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    lightspeed wrote: »
    Can we not replace this fracking business with Nuclear power?

    No one wants nuclear power but it is far more efficient than other power sources.

    We dont get regular tsunamis like Japan and others countries like France get by with Nuclear power without any problems.

    We tried wind power and there was huge opposition from locals as noone wants to live next to a big noisy farm of windmills.

    Other renewable energy sources are just not cost efficient to implement.

    1. Nuclear is Illegal here no government will touch it with a barge pole.

    2. These people have problems with wind farms and pylons can you imagine them being happy with a nuclear power station near them.


  • #39
    md23040
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 523 ✭✭✭md23040


    Autonomous Cowherd wrote: »
    Gosh, you sound sensible. Pity it doesn't translate into reality. The tax revenue we (ie our trousering government) get will be pretty small compared to the overall ''haul''; there is loads of evidence of regulations being ignored and broken by shale gas companies worldwide, some countries in the EU are banning fracking because of its proven health and environmental costs, I happen to be in daily contact with a real-estate agent in oklahoma in an area where 7 out of 10 of the houses are for sale but cannot be sold because their tap water is undrinkable due to fracking contamination. Parts of the US have been left destroyed by fracking and we are a very small country land mass wise, so guess what it might just take a bit longer to bite YOU in the ass than us here, but bite you it will if it goes aead.

    I couldnt give a rats ass if it turned some small area of some county into a sand pit as long as it could pay down the €177billion of national debt and half the energy costs.

    These industries are heavily regulated within the EU and there will always be NIMBISM and environmental fanatics who cannot be satisifed.


  • #40
    Mint Sauce
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,293 ✭✭✭✭Mint Sauce


    Jensen Raspy Switch wrote: »
    The town land is in Leitrim as well. Hence the planning application is for Belcoo Leitrim.

    Which townland are we or the suspect article referring to, as Belcoo is I repeat NOT in Leitrim, Belcoo Quarry is NOT in Leitrim, and is even further from the border and Leitrim than the village of of Belcoo is.

    I understand that fracking in Belcoo will also affect parts of Leitrim giving it close proximity, and the Shannon waterways as its linked to the Erne River, but everyone is reading this thread as it only effecting and being in Leitrim, due to the misleading information from both the OP and the article.


  • #41
    Autonomous Cowherd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭Autonomous Cowherd


    Mint Sauce wrote: »
    Which townland are we or the suspect article referring to, as Belcoo is I repeat NOT in Leitrim, Belcoo Quarry is NOT in Leitrim, and is even further from the border and Leitrim than the village of of Belcoo is.

    I understand that fracking in Belcoo will also affect parts of Leitrim giving it close proximity, and the Shannon waterways as its linked to the Erne River, but everyone is reading this thread as it only effecting and being in Leitrim, due to the misleading information from both the OP and the article.

    Well I certainly did not intend to mislead and take the opportunity to correct myself. There is the whole length of a bridge separating Belcoo on the Fermanagh side and Blacklion on the Cavan side...and a wee river that runs beneath the bridge to keep back the nastiness of fracking.


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  • #42
    wendell borton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,335 ✭✭✭wendell borton


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Ah I see and of these what ones are commercially viable ?

    There are currently six factories using waste products to produce bio gas, with more in the pipeline.

    http://www.teagasc.ie/publications/2013/1943/BarryCaslin.pdf


  • #43
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    wendell borton wrote: »
    There are currently six factories using waste products to produce bio gas, with more in the pipeline.

    http://www.teagasc.ie/publications/2013/1943/BarryCaslin.pdf

    You did not answer the question, And these will be massively subsidised making the power they produce prohibitively expensive


  • #44
    Lenin Skynard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,970 ✭✭✭Lenin Skynard


    md23040 wrote: »
    I couldnt give a rats ass if it turned some small area of some county into a sand pit as long as it could pay down the €177billion of national debt.

    Jesus. How much of the country would you turn into a wasteland for the sake of servicing a debt? If we've no country left then we've no place from which to generate debts. Or maybe that's the ideal outcome for you? Thank fúck that yours isn't a widespread view.


  • #45
    artful_codger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,449 ✭✭✭artful_codger


    The locals will have to shift their sabotage activities from Quinns old businnesses to the Fracking sites.


  • #46
    md23040
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 523 ✭✭✭md23040


    Lenin Skynard wrote: »
    Jesus. How much of the country would you turn into a wasteland for the sake of servicing a debt? If we've no country left then we've no place from which to generate debts. Or maybe that's the ideal outcome for you? Thank fúck that yours isn't a widespread view.

    At €8 billion interest per year paid by Ireland on debt, coupled with should Russia cut the taps to EU gas supply and opt instead with recent deal to China, will see energy prices soar througout the EU, and these considerations should be enough impetus to consider any viable energy options.

    Also it would take a many many lifetimes to cover Ireland is so called wastelands – as usual taking a post out of context, twisting it into something surreal and serving back in a platter. Fracking sites are typically no bigger than quarries and this site (if it is to be believed) is being explored in a former quarry.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/image/i9EMUyxp0E1g.jpg


  • #47
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    please please please let it be QUADRILLA coming over

    the most evil anti green sounding company name ever evented:D


  • #48
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    This'll be some craic in 5 or so years.

    Parts of Alberta are an absolute mess because of fracking.

    t3.jpeg


  • #49
    Tardful Slakerly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭Tardful Slakerly


    Bad news, all the more so as Ireland managed to avoid massive industrialization and so is relatively clean of pollutants in soil and water, with only nitrates being much of an issue in places. I've read nothing but poor reports on fracking, from many sources.


  • #50
    Autonomous Cowherd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭Autonomous Cowherd


    md23040 wrote: »
    At €8 billion interest per year paid by Ireland on debt, coupled with should Russia cut the taps to EU gas supply and opt instead with recent deal to China, will see energy prices soar througout the EU, and these considerations should be enough impetus to consider any viable energy options.

    Also it would take a many many lifetimes to cover Ireland is so called wastelands – as usual taking a post out of context, twisting it into something surreal and serving back in a platter. Fracking sites are typically no bigger than quarries and this site (if it is to be believed) is being explored in a former quarry.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/image/i9EMUyxp0E1g.jpg
    To imagine that a frack site's area of influence is confined to the drill well is like imagining that a substance injected into the body only remains at the injection site. Cop on would ya! There is a whole water table and geological
    substratum at play here that is interconnected with ...well actually..the whole of the island ultimately. You think they put down plastic boundaries or something, to keep everything contained...?


  • #51
    md23040
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 523 ✭✭✭md23040


    circadian wrote: »
    This'll be some craic in 5 or so years.

    Parts of Alberta are an absolute mess because of fracking.

    t3.jpeg

    That oils extraction from sands. Completely different.


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  • #52
    md23040
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 523 ✭✭✭md23040


    Autonomous Cowherd wrote: »
    To imagine that a frack site's area of influence is confined to the drill well is like imagining that a substance injected into the body only remains at the injection site. Cop on would ya! There is a whole water table and geological
    substratum at play here that is interconnected with ...well actually..the whole of the island ultimately. You think they put down plastic boundaries or something, to keep everything contained...?

    Referring to the aesthetic appearance of the site and not the area of distribution that is not visible, in the context of over dramatised, tourist run for the hills, style wastelands that's a complete exaggeration, corrected from someone's an earlier post.


  • #53
    Autonomous Cowherd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭Autonomous Cowherd


    md23040 wrote: »
    Referring to the aesthetic appearance of the site and not the area of distribution that is not visible, in the context of over dramatised, tourist run for the hills, style wastelands that's a complete exaggeration, corrected from someone's an earlier post.

    And the aesthetics are the decisive factor? Let's invent a new parameter for environmental impact assessment and call that the ''Kardashian Criteria''...for a laugh like..


  • #54
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Celly Smunt wrote: »
    What is worse, the fracking or the hippies the fracking will attract?
    The fracking.


  • #55
    JONJO THE MISER
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 12,333 ✭✭✭✭JONJO THE MISER


    If a company wants to frack on your land, do they pay you.
    I know in the states landowners get a royalty every month.
    In some parts of North Dakota a acre of land could be brought for $1000 10 years ago, now that same acre brings in thousands in royalty payments each month.


  • #56
    Lenin Skynard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,970 ✭✭✭Lenin Skynard


    md23040 wrote: »
    Referring to the aesthetic appearance of the site and not the area of distribution that is not visible, in the context of over dramatised, tourist run for the hills, style wastelands that's a complete exaggeration, corrected from someone's an earlier post.

    "I couldnt give a rats ass if it turned some small area of some county into a sand pit" is what you said and what I quoted. Maybe sandpit sounds better to you than wasteland, sounds about the same to me, and I wasn't referring to the aesthetic appearance. Your prioritising of an abstract debt in favour of the actual ground beneath our feet shocked me.


  • #57
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    md23040 wrote: »
    That oils extraction from sands. Completely different.

    Ok, sorry for my ignorance. Could you explain a little further about the difference? Are you saying that extracting gas from similar methods won't create a mess especially that of the water supplies?


  • #58
    Santa Cruz
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Santa Cruz


    artful_codger wrote: »
    The locals will have to shift their sabotage activities from Quinns old businnesses to the Fracking sites.

    Will it affect the Croke Park residents? I'm sure they will find some reason to object to it.


  • #59
    wendell borton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,335 ✭✭✭wendell borton


    wendell borton wrote: »
    There are currently six factories using waste products to produce bio gas, with more in the pipeline.

    http://www.teagasc.ie/publications/2013/1943/BarryCaslin.pdf

    Kerry ingredients are a global player and tight with money. If it didn't make economic sense they wouldn't be investing in it.

    Even if today the benefits are only marginal for the time being, increasing fuel cost means its only a matter of time until they are. They will also create employment opportunities.


  • #60
    kowloon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,187 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    theKillerBite wrote: »
    coal burning is making people addicted to heroin.

    It's entirely recreational and I can quit at any time.


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  • #61
    mikeym
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,992 ✭✭✭mikeym


    Tamboran claim they wont use chemicals in the fracking process but I dont know of any other company that is not using chemicals.

    The conservative government over in the UK are determined to push ahead with fracking.


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