Celtic FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014/15 Mod Warning post #6011

Dempsey · 29-05-2014 04:09PM

Don't see why Keane would get better financial backing than what Lennon was told by Lawwell. If they were going to open purse strings Lennon was, by a mile, the horse to back.

rob316 · 29-05-2014 04:26PM

Keane was approached by Celtic around the time Lennon was getting the nail bombs sent to him. They thought Lennon would step down at the time.

He is obviously well thought of.

PauloMN · 29-05-2014 04:33PM

Keane will get bored at Celtic, and will probably cause a whole pile of hassle in the process. Roy is too much about Roy, and everything else comes second. He was like that over the Saipan thing, he was like that when he came to play at Celtic, and he'll be like that as a manager of Celtic too.

I personally will be very disappointed if he becomes the next manager.

weldoninhio · 29-05-2014 04:37PM

How anyone can think Keane is a decent manager is beyond me. He failed at Sunderland, failed at Ipswich. Can't see him doing anything other than failing at Celtic. Bringing in a lot of over-priced ex-United youths/end of career players and lower end Irish players.

We'd be as well getting Mowbray back.

Lennonist · 29-05-2014 05:46PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Don't see why Keane would get better financial backing than what Lennon was told by Lawwell. If they were going to open purse strings Lennon was, by a mile, the horse to back.

Keane won't take the job unless there's a bit of money to spend.

I think he's the best choice for the job of the candidates that have been linked. Negative reaction among some to Keane's potential appointment here is way over the top.

Lennonist · 29-05-2014 05:49PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

How anyone can think Keane is a decent manager is beyond me. He failed at Sunderland, failed at Ipswich. Can't see him doing anything other than failing at Celtic. Bringing in a lot of over-priced ex-United youths/end of career players and lower end Irish players.

We'd be as well getting Mowbray back.

Nonsense.

Lennonist · 29-05-2014 05:55PM

PauloMN wrote: »

Keane will get bored at Celtic, and will probably cause a whole pile of hassle in the process. Roy is too much about Roy, and everything else comes second. He was like that over the Saipan thing, he was like that when he came to play at Celtic, and he'll be like that as a manager of Celtic too.

I personally will be very disappointed if he becomes the next manager.

Saipan, is that what this overly negative reaction to the possibility of Keane being Celtic manager is about? There's been a fair bit of water under bridge since Saipan you know.

rosskind · 29-05-2014 05:56PM

Good football, Champions League participation, a more competitive league, all those things put bums on seats. Nobody comes to look at the manager (well, not after the first couple of games). There are better candidates in my eyes, would be pretty disappointing.

RoryMac · 29-05-2014 05:56PM

Lennonist wrote: »

Keane won't take the job unless there's a bit of money to spend.

I think he's the best choice for the job of the candidates that have been linked. Negative reaction among some to Keane's potential appointment here is way over the top.

I doubt Keane is in a position to drive a hard bargain, its not like he is inundated with offers.

I think the negative reaction is spot on, he has had 6 good months as a manager. In that spell he signed around 20 players and cost Sunderland a fortune. Very few of those players signed were successful.

Added to that he has a history of causing unrest in the dressing room and with the board.

Aside from being Irish & a great player I struggle to see one good thing about him getting the job

Lennonist · 29-05-2014 06:00PM

RoryMac wrote: »

I doubt Keane is in a position to drive a hard bargain, its not like he is inundated with offers.

I think the negative reaction is spot on, he has had 6 good months as a manager. In that spell he signed around 20 players and cost Sunderland a fortune. Very few of those players signed were successful.

Added to that he has a history of causing unrest in the dressing room and with the board.

Aside from being Irish & a great player I struggle to see one good thing about him getting the job

He is in a job with Ireland, he can turn down a Celtic offer and bide his time 'till he gets an offer from the EPL or the Championship. If he turns us down it will probably be Mackay at best, or Coyle. He's a better choice than those two.

Lennonist · 29-05-2014 06:02PM

rosskind wrote: »

Good football, Champions League participation, a more competitive league, all those things put bums on seats. Nobody comes to look at the manager (well, not after the first couple of games). There are better candidates in my eyes, would be pretty disappointing.

Who are these better candidates?

PauloMN · 29-05-2014 06:07PM

Lennonist wrote: »

Saipan, is that what this overly negative reaction to the possibility of Keane being Celtic manager is about? There's been a fair bit of water under bridge since Saipan you know.

I knew you'd pick that one out. No, my point about Saipan was not about the fiasco itself - it was about the type of character Roy Keane is. It's about how he would make decisions in a bullish, pig-headed way rather than thinking about the best approach to a situation.

Anyway, there might be a lot of water under the bridge since then, but ask RK would he do the same thing all over again tomorrow, and I'll bet he would say yes.

I personally think he should not have come to Celtic when he did, when he was clearly not 100%. But again, Roy was suiting Roy.

But most of all, I honestly think he'd get bored here. Lennon was Celtic through and through, Keane is not. He doesn't have that to fall back on, and his managerial record isn't up to much to make up for it.

RoryMac · 29-05-2014 06:07PM

Lennonist wrote: »

He is in a job with Ireland, he can turn down a Celtic offer and bide his time 'till he gets an offer from the EPL or the Championship. If he turns us down it will probably be Mackay at best, or Coyle. He's a better choice than those two.

I think MacKay is a far better choice and aside from my dislike of Coyle his record is every bit as good as Keane's and without the baggage

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 29-05-2014 06:16PM

So Keane has had informal talks with Celtic looks as though he could be heading to Parkhead

LiamoSail · 29-05-2014 06:21PM

Just what was needed. A manager who has shown little in the way of any sort of tactical knowledge, with no track record of bringing through young players, and who's record in the transfer market is littered with overpriced flops. Michael Chopra and Craig Gordon deserving of honourable mentions.

Roy Keane is to the Celtic board what Ally McCoist is to the Rangers board; a season ticket salesman trading on his playing days in a job that truth be told, anyone with a passing interest in football could take over and end up a league champion. Shocking lack of foresight in this appointment

Lennonist · 29-05-2014 06:22PM

Looks like he's getting the job lads, the boys on Newstalk are talking about it.

I'm happy with his appointment, the best option available from that list of candidates. It's a great opportunity for him. Hopefully he will put his experience to good use and do well.

PauloMN · 29-05-2014 06:25PM

Lennonist wrote: »

Looks like he's getting the job lads, the boys on Newstalk are talking about it.

I'm happy with his appointment, the best option available from that list of candidates. It's a great opportunity for him. Hopefully he will put his experience to good use and do well.

There's the issue right there!

rosskind · 29-05-2014 06:26PM

For me, pretty much anyone who has been mentioned. And then I'd hope the club has done more study than me, like they do for signings. Guys that have proven themselves in lesser leagues and are looking at us as a stepping stone. I know managers will have to be able to speak English, unlike players, but surely there are some options.

Juan Carlos Osorio is apparently one of the brightest, most successful, tactical minds in South America where he's done almost all he can and speaks fluent English having studied in Liverpool. And he's got coaching badges, I'm not sure Keane has. I'd hope to think the club at least tried that route rather than just go straight after the failed ex-pro. Keane would be the equivalent of signing Jermaine Pennant. Two failed goes at management, I'm not Coyle's biggest fan but I'd much rather him. At least he's had some success.

A Dub in Glasgo · 29-05-2014 06:26PM

Underwhelmed to say the least

I will be happy to be totally wrong though

Dempsey · 29-05-2014 07:02PM

Lennonist wrote: »

Keane won't take the job unless there's a bit of money to spend.

I think he's the best choice for the job of the candidates that have been linked. Negative reaction among some to Keane's potential appointment here is way over the top.

And that's the reason he shouldn't get it. We need a manager with a track record in developing players. He doesnt.

rosskind · 29-05-2014 07:04PM

http://www.celticfc.net/news/5977

Gives me hope.

RoryMac · 29-05-2014 07:09PM

rosskind wrote: »

http://www.celticfc.net/news/5977

Gives me hope.

Hopefully a few people jumping the gun and other better qualified managers being sounded out.

I wonder if Keane is watching Sky Sports, not much support for him getting the job

rosskind · 29-05-2014 07:12PM

Definitely jumping the gun. It seems it was all based on MON saying there had been talks but you'd have to think every club talks to several managers when appointing a new one.

RoryMac · 29-05-2014 07:20PM

rosskind wrote: »

Definitely jumping the gun. It seems it was all based on MON saying there had been talks but you'd have to think every club talks to several managers when appointing a new one.

I'm sure they do but MON talking to the press would suggest its almost a done deal with Keane. MON knows Celtic like to keep this kind of stuff out of the media for as long as possible so I think he expects it to be tied up pretty soon

CatFromHue · 29-05-2014 07:22PM

It's quite funny really.

I remember Mark Lawrenson saying when Keane joined up with MON that because he's got a job now he's already an awful lot more attractive to other clubs for managerial positions. Would Celtic be interested in Keane if he hadn't of gotten the Ireland gig?

RoryMac · 29-05-2014 07:24PM

CatFromHue wrote: »

It's quite funny really.

I remember Mark Lawrenson saying when Keane joined up with MON that because he's got a job now he's already an awful lot more attractive to other clubs for managerial positions. Would Celtic be interested in Keane if he hadn't of gotten the Ireland gig?

Its a good point, I can't imagine Celtic talking to a manager out of football 3 years after being sacked by Ipswich and before that by Sunderland unless his name was Roy Keane.

Jimmy Rabbitte Snr · 29-05-2014 07:26PM

rosskind wrote: »

For me, pretty much anyone who has been mentioned. And then I'd hope the club has done more study than me, like they do for signings. Guys that have proven themselves in lesser leagues and are looking at us as a stepping stone. I know managers will have to be able to speak English, unlike players, but surely there are some options.

Juan Carlos Osorio is apparently one of the brightest, most successful, tactical minds in South America where he's done almost all he can and speaks fluent English having studied in Liverpool. And he's got coaching badges, I'm not sure Keane has. I'd hope to think the club at least tried that route rather than just go straight after the failed ex-pro. Keane would be the equivalent of signing Jermaine Pennant. Two failed goes at management, I'm not Coyle's biggest fan but I'd much rather him. At least he's had some success.

A little bit unfair. His first season at Sunderland was a massive success, similar to Coyle at Burnley.

PauloMN · 29-05-2014 07:27PM

RoryMac wrote: »

Hopefully a few people jumping the gun and other better qualified managers being sounded out.

I wonder if Keane is watching Sky Sports, not much support for him getting the job

Just reading one of the Celtic forums, I'd say the general consensus is 80% against, 20% for - which pretty much mirrors this thread I'd say.

There's a reason for those figures.

If he gets the job, he'll be under huge pressure to qualify for the CL groups. Anything less and the fans will be on his back before he's even unpacked his suitcase. Given the fact that he's not Celtic through and through unlike Lennon, he won't be forgiven for losing out on the CL groups and in cup competitions. League is a certainty and winning that won't win him more support.

I hope the board look at this poor managerial record, the type of character he is and the fact that the fans seem largely underwhelmed at the idea of him being manager and do the right thing - look elsewhere.

Dempsey · 29-05-2014 07:30PM

CatFromHue wrote: »

It's quite funny really.

I remember Mark Lawrenson saying when Keane joined up with MON that because he's got a job now he's already an awful lot more attractive to other clubs for managerial positions. Would Celtic be interested in Keane if he hadn't of gotten the Ireland gig?

Dermot Desmond had a hand in Keane getting the Ireland job so yes, Desmond would still want to talk to him about the Celtic job

rosskind · 29-05-2014 07:36PM

Jimmy Rabbitte Snr wrote: »

A little bit unfair. His first season at Sunderland was a massive success, similar to Coyle at Burnley.

He's never shown any ability in terms of tactics or man-management. Dwight Yorke, at Sunderland, and Jimmy Bullard, at Ipswich, both told stories of Keane setting up a tactics board to kung-fu kick it (with a few expletives in there no doubt) to show his lack of regard for tactics. He has criticized (abused) his players in public, both technically and personally. Both players also told of desperate team morale. Coyle, for all his critics, has many references as a nice guy and good man-manager.

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