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Theresa Heaney on Vincent Browne

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  • #512
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,460 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    Lastlight. wrote: »
    Roman Catholics not entitled to hold the views they have in the Irish Republic now? The aggressive secularism which we see more often isn't good. I respect the traditional values they hold to.

    There's no such thing as "aggressive secularism".

    Roman Catholics can continue to hold the "traditional views" that you seem to respect. People that aren't Roman Catholics can hold the views they want. Everybody gets to live their lives as they please without something they don't believe in being forced upon them.

    That's the beauty of a secular state.


  • #513
    Kiwi in IE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    endacl wrote: »
    Would you have an issue with a pigeon and a tin of biscuits adopting a child?

    See? I can do stupid comment better than you. Try harder.

    That had me laughing so hard that tears came!


  • #514
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,443 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Lastlight. wrote: »
    A real shame, hopefully they reclaim the state back.

    There aren't enough of them, I'm afraid. :(
    Hard luck. The Enlightenment won.


  • #515
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,443 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    alan partridge aha wrote: »
    Stupid?, if a couple are in a loving relationship what's the problem.

    If you're not taking the piss, go away and take a long hard look at yourself. If you are taking the piss, just go away.


  • #516
    alan partridge aha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,406 ✭✭✭alan partridge aha


    endacl wrote: »
    If you're not taking the piss, go away and take a long hard look at yourself. If you are taking the piss, just go away.

    Whatever, you are as good as the politicians, you won't answer a direct question. Are you implying that these relationships do not exist.


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  • #517
    Lastlight.
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 203 ✭✭Lastlight.


    Kiwi in IE wrote: »
    Roman Catholics can hold whatever damn views they like and practice them to their hearts content. What they are not allowed to do anymore is insist that others also abide by the rules of Catholicism just because they do!

    Must be awful for them!
    The state was much better when Roman Catholicism had a big say in the state and actually moral values actually mattered.


  • #518
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,460 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    Lastlight. wrote: »
    The state was much better when Roman Catholicism had a big say in the state and actually moral values actually mattered.

    Come on then. Enlighten us as to how it was better. Examples please.


  • #519
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    Lastlight. wrote: »
    The state was much better when Roman Catholicism had a big say in the state and actually moral values actually mattered.

    Was this before or after the laundries and molested children?


  • #520
    Kiwi in IE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    Lastlight. wrote: »
    The state was much better when Roman Catholicism had a big say in the state and actually moral values actually mattered.

    So Catholicism should be forced on non Catholics?


  • #521
    Kiwi in IE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    alan partridge aha wrote: »
    Whatever, you are as good as the politicians, you won't answer a direct question. Are you implying that these relationships do not exist.
    Kiwi in IE wrote: »
    So you are comparing gay relationships to incest?


    ???


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  • #522
    alan partridge aha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,406 ✭✭✭alan partridge aha


    Kiwi in IE wrote: »
    ???

    No just a relationship, which can be gay or straight. I just like to know people's thoughts on it.


  • #523
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,443 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    alan partridge aha wrote: »
    Whatever, you are as good as the politicians, you won't answer a direct question. Are you implying that these relationships do not exist.
    No. I'm just not going to get into a debate over it.

    Just to be clear though. I'm happy to get into a debate. Just not with you, after reading the post to which I responded. It was ridiculous.

    Of course, I'm not saying in any way, shape or form that you yourself are, by extension, ridiculous. Not at all. Just to be clear. You're not ridiculous. Your post was though.


  • #524
    Kiwi in IE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    alan partridge aha wrote: »
    No just a relationship, which can be gay or straight. I just like to know people's thoughts on it.

    Any particular reason? And what relevance has it to this thread in particular?


  • #525
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,443 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Lastlight. wrote: »
    The state was much better when Roman Catholicism had a big say in the state and actually moral values actually mattered.
    Unbaptised children buried in unmarked mass graves. Magdalene laundries. Forced separation of unmarried mothers and their infants. Parishioners of little means embarrassed by having the amount of their Easter dues read out from the alter for all to hear. Children being sent off to seminaries because it'd be a great coup to have a priest in the family. Mothers in 'good catholic families' being turned into brood mares for the church and staying permanently pregnant till menopause. People being made feel 'guilt' over perfectly natural feelings over which they had no control.

    That's all I can think of for the moment. In no particular order of disgusting. Which do you miss most?


  • #526
    alan partridge aha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,406 ✭✭✭alan partridge aha


    Kiwi in IE wrote: »
    Any particular reason? And what relevance has it to this thread in particular?

    Well adoption came up, and I asked the question. People felt I was taking the mickey, which I am not.


  • #527
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,443 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    alan partridge aha wrote: »
    Well adoption came up, and I asked the question. People felt I was taking the mickey, which I am not.

    You're not?!?

    :eek:


  • #528
    alan partridge aha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,406 ✭✭✭alan partridge aha


    endacl wrote: »
    You're not?!?

    :eek:

    I may leave with you, as I'm not going to get an answer. These type of relationships must not exist.


  • #529
    Kiwi in IE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    alan partridge aha wrote: »
    Well adoption came up, and I asked the question. People felt I was taking the mickey, which I am not.

    Is it a general concern or a personal one? Are you considering adoption?


  • #530
    alan partridge aha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,406 ✭✭✭alan partridge aha


    Kiwi in IE wrote: »
    Is it a general concern or a personal one? Are you considering adoption?

    Just a question I would like answered that's all.


  • #531
    Kiwi in IE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    alan partridge aha wrote: »
    Just a question I would like answered that's all.

    As you can see there are not many about at the moment who are willing to entertain your attempt to compare LGBT relationships with incest.


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  • #532
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    alan partridge aha wrote: »
    Would you have an issue with a couple in an incestuous relationship adopting a child

    Nope. As long as there's no foul play involved and its a loving relationship between two mutually consenting adults.

    Incest isn't the issue here though gay marriage is.


  • #533
    alan partridge aha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,406 ✭✭✭alan partridge aha


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Nope. As long as there's no foul play involved and its a loving relationship between two mutually consenting adults.

    Incest isn't the issue here though gay marriage is.

    Thank you for you answer.


  • #534
    mrsbyrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭mrsbyrne


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Nope. As long as there's no foul play involved and its a loving relationship between two mutually consenting adults.

    Incest isn't the issue here though gay marriage is.

    I think your being discriminatory here, sorry, confining relationships to being between adult humans.
    I am in love with my horse and my horse is quite clearly in love with me.
    We wish to get married and adopt a child. Just because our relationship doesn't fit in with your narrow view of what constitutes a "family" doesn't mean that we should have to suffer, feeling unequal to human/human couples and not being recognised as legitimate by society at large.
    Our neighbours are a father and his biological daughter who live together as a couple and have adopted a child. This is now perfectly acceptable and quite a few men i know are now having regular sex with their sisters or Aunts that they are very fond of since childhood. All apparently are consenting adults. Sure its grand.


  • #535
    Nodin
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    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    I think your being(........)are consenting adults. Sure its grand.

    what have you got against gay people marrying?


  • #536
    Kiwi in IE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    I think your being discriminatory here, sorry.
    I am in love with my horse and my horse is quite clearly in love with me.
    We wish to get married and adopt a child. Just because our relationship doesn't fit in with your narrow view of what constitutes a "family" doesn't mean that we should have to suffer, feeling unequal to human/human couples and not being recognised as legitimate by society at large.
    Our neighbours are a father and his biological daughter who live together as a couple and have adopted a child. This is now perfectly acceptable and quite a few men i know are now having regular sex with their sisters or Aunts that they are very fond of since childhood. All apparently are consenting adults. Sure its grand.

    HAHAHAHA! I told warned you all that this was coming a couple of pages back.

    Why don't you have a foal? You could find a mare to act as a surrogate for you. That way your child will resemble your partner.


  • #537
    Kiwi in IE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    That was your fault Turtwig! I knew that we'd be hurtling along down the 'slippery slope' the minute anyone paid any serious heed to that incest nonsense!


  • #538
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,222 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Lastlight. wrote: »
    The state was much better when Roman Catholicism had a big say in the state and actually moral values actually mattered.

    The ex-inmates of the Magdalene gulags would be inclined to disagree.


  • #539
    mrsbyrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭mrsbyrne


    Nodin wrote: »
    what have you got against gay people marrying?

    Oh I don't have anything against gay people marrying. As I've said I hope you have nothing against me and my beloved ClipClop tying the knot. Turwig doesn't mind Paddy Ryan and his eldest daughter 18 year old Mary getting married, but seems to draw the line at adult humans. ClipClop is 10 , so why not?


  • #540
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    I think your being discriminatory here, sorry, confining relationships to being between adult humans.
    I am in love with my horse and my horse is quite clearly in love with me.
    We wish to get married and adopt a child. Just because our relationship doesn't fit in with your narrow view of what constitutes a "family" doesn't mean that we should have to suffer, feeling unequal to human/human couples and not being recognised as legitimate by society at large.
    Our neighbours are a father and his biological daughter who live together as a couple and have adopted a child. This is now perfectly acceptable and quite a few men i know are now having regular sex with their sisters or Aunts that they are very fond of since childhood. All apparently are consenting adults. Sure its grand.
    Your horse can't give consent.

    Maybe a dolphin though? Either way if we can't measure the autonomy then we can't allow it. Otherwise it's possible you're raping the dolphin. Or horse.

    have no objections to incestuous relationships with no grooming/foul play involved. As long it's mutually consenting and there's no foul play involved, what business is it of anyone to state what adults can or cannot do?


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  • #541
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    Kiwi in IE wrote: »
    That was your fault Turtwig! I knew that we'd be hurtling along down the 'slippery slope' the minute anyone paid any serious heed to that incest nonsense!

    Isnt it sarcasm?


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