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  • #482
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,782 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Corkfeen wrote: »
    Grand job,find a study that shows an increased risk of abuse. Because your current argument is manipulative rather than founded in fact.

    How long has same sex marriage with full adoption rights being around?


  • #483
    Corkfeen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    RobertKK wrote: »
    How long has same sex marriage with full adoption rights being around?

    Do you think same sex parents didn't exist before same sex marriage? There's a reason why the studies have decades of data to work with.


  • #484
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,782 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Corkfeen wrote: »
    Do you think same sex parents didn't exist before same sex marriage? There's a reason why the studies have decades of data to work with.

    They have not been all that common for decades though. Unless you live in a place where they are?


  • #485
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Wrong.

    Yes you are. You are concerned for children once gay people are involved but if they are straight it doesn't matter.


  • #486
    Corkfeen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    RobertKK wrote: »
    They have not been all that common for decades though. Unless you live in a place where they are?

    You have definitively claimed that this will happen. Conservative think tanks have claimed the same but neither you or a think tank have provided actual proof of it. At the moment,the foundation of your argument appears to be based in homophobic stereotypes and random anecdotes which I could produce the same anecdotes for heterosexual parents.

    Most abusers of children are married heterosexual men but this is not an issue for you. By your logic,neither biological fathers or stepfathers of children should be allowed. But nope,your specific issue is with gay people adopting.

    Over ten years of recognised adoption. Gay biological parents at 6 to 14 million by 1990. They've raised four percent of all adopted children in the US. But still you're incapable of proving your claims.

    http://adoption.about.com/od/gaylesbian/f/gayparents.htm


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  • #487
    Reformed Character
    Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Reformed Character


    RobertKK wrote: »
    One should have concern for children
    .

    My concern for children, including my own, is that they might be contaminated by extremist homophobic bigots, who spread anti-gay hatred at every chance they get.


  • #488
    Reformed Character
    Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Reformed Character


    RobertKK wrote: »
    How long has same sex marriage with full adoption rights being around?

    Nowhere near long enough, mainly due to the ignorance of populations who were dominated by extremist religious nutjobs!
    Happily in our ever more secular and pluralist society that is all changing now.


  • #489
    Kiwi in IE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    Reformed Character wrote: »
    My concern for children, including my own, is that they might be contaminated by extremist homophobic bigots, who spread anti-gay hatred at every chance they get.

    + 1


  • #490
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    It isnt even an argument against same sex marriage. Its an argument against gay adoption. Its the Iona Defense.


  • #491
    Reformed Character
    Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Reformed Character


    shruikan2553 wrote: »
    It isnt even an argument against same sex marriage. Its an argument against gay adoption. Its the Iona Defense.
    Indeed, why they don't just change their name to the Irish Society for Homophobia and Anti-Gay Hysteria is beyond me.


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  • #492
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,443 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Reformed Character wrote: »
    Indeed, why they don't just change their name to the Irish Society for Homophobia and Anti-Gay Hysteria is beyond me.

    You forgot the abortion bit....


  • #493
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,222 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Reformed Character wrote: »
    Indeed, why they don't just change their name to the Irish Society for Homophobia and Anti-Gay Hysteria is beyond me.

    ISHAG(H)? :pac:


  • #494
    Reformed Character
    Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Reformed Character


    endacl wrote: »
    You forgot the abortion bit....

    And the divorce bit, lets not forget their 1996 catch cry "Hello Divorce, Goodbye Daddy"!


  • #495
    Kiwi in IE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    Reformed Character wrote: »
    And the divorce bit, lets not forget their 1996 catch cry "Hello Divorce, Goodbye Daddy"!

    According to Robert "Goodbye Daddy" would be a positive. If having two daddies dramatically increases the child's risk of being abused, then obviously having no daddy is the safest option!


  • #496
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    RobertKK wrote: »
    People are born gay, would a vote change that?
    People have a deep religious belief which is a part of who they are, would a vote change that?

    Redefining marriage is neither here or there, you weren't born married and it is not like a religious belief.

    Ahh yeah, its "different" because it doesn't suit you. Majority rule as long as you're the majority. Dear o dear.


  • #497
    Reformed Character
    Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Reformed Character


    Kiwi in IE wrote: »
    According to Robert "Goodbye Daddy" would be a positive. If having two daddies dramatically increases the child's risk of being abused, then obviously having no daddy is the safest option!

    But you need a daddy, especially since the RCC condemn outright the idea of IVF.
    They consider it sinful and unnatural , oops where have I heard them expressions before. Maybe we need a world of likkle babby jesus's , all born to pure catholic virgins impregnated by the magic sky pilot.


  • #498
    alan partridge aha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,406 ✭✭✭alan partridge aha


    Reformed Character wrote: »
    Nowhere near long enough, mainly due to the ignorance of populations who were dominated by extremist religious nutjobs!
    Happily in our ever more secular and pluralist society that is all changing now.

    Would you have an issue with a couple in an incestuous relationship adopting a child


  • #499
    Reformed Character
    Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Reformed Character


    Just as well jesus and the disciplines didn't want to adopt a child, imagine the danger it would have been in!!!


  • #500
    Reformed Character
    Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Reformed Character


    alan partridge aha wrote: »
    Would you have an issue with a couple in an incestuous relationship adopting a child

    Which has dafuq to do with gay marriage and adoption :confused:, particularly since incestuous relationships are typically hetrosexual?


  • #501
    alan partridge aha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,406 ✭✭✭alan partridge aha


    Reformed Character wrote: »
    Which has dafuq to do with gay marriage and adoption :confused:, particularly since incestuous relationships are typically hetrosexual?

    Just asking the question, if they are a loving couple and want to adopt, would you have an issue.


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  • #502
    Kiwi in IE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    'Slippery slope' argument alert!!!!!!

    The next question will be "Would you have a problem if a man married his hamster/car/toaster and they wanted to jointly adopt a child?"


  • #503
    alan partridge aha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,406 ✭✭✭alan partridge aha


    Kiwi in IE wrote: »
    'Slippery slope' argument alert!!!!!!

    The next question will be "Would you have a problem if a man married his hamster/car/toaster and they wanted to jointly adopt a child?"

    Incorrect we are talking about consenting human beings only.


  • #504
    Kiwi in IE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    So you are comparing gay relationships to incest?


  • #505
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,443 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Reformed Character wrote: »
    And the divorce bit, lets not forget their 1996 catch cry "Hello Divorce, Goodbye Daddy"!

    Nah. I left that bit out as 'idiocy from the past'.


  • #506
    Lastlight.
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 203 ✭✭Lastlight.


    Roman Catholics not entitled to hold the views they have in the Irish Republic now? The aggressive secularism which we see more often isn't good. I respect the traditional values they hold to.


  • #507
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,443 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    alan partridge aha wrote: »
    Would you have an issue with a couple in an incestuous relationship adopting a child

    Would you have an issue with a pigeon and a tin of biscuits adopting a child?

    See? I can do stupid comment better than you. Try harder.


  • #508
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,443 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Lastlight. wrote: »
    Roman Catholics not entitled to hold the views they have in the Irish Republic now? The aggressive secularism which we see more often isn't good. I respect the traditional values they hold to.

    They're free and more than welcome to hold to whatever views they wish to hold to, once they don't impose them on people who don't share them.

    No issue at all with them holding to their views.

    Next.


  • #509
    Lastlight.
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 203 ✭✭Lastlight.


    endacl wrote: »
    They're free and more than welcome to hold to whatever views they wish to hold to, once they don't impose them on people who don't share them.

    No issue at all with them holding to their views.

    Next.
    The very people who established the Irish Republic held such views and founded the state. Now it has been taken over by liberal modernizers. A real shame, hopefully they reclaim the state back.


  • #510
    alan partridge aha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,406 ✭✭✭alan partridge aha


    endacl wrote: »
    Would you have an issue with a pigeon and a tin of biscuits adopting a child?

    See? I can do stupid comment better than you. Try harder.

    Stupid?, if a couple are in a loving relationship what's the problem.


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  • #511
    Kiwi in IE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    Lastlight. wrote: »
    Roman Catholics not entitled to hold the views they have in the Irish Republic now? The aggressive secularism which we see more often isn't good. I respect the traditional values they hold to.

    Roman Catholics can hold whatever damn views they like and practice them to their hearts content. What they are not allowed to do anymore is insist that others also abide by the rules of Catholicism just because they do!

    Must be awful for them!


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