Ultra Street Fighter 4 Discussion Thread

What characters do people think are looking strong in Ultra? I think Rose is looking fantastic for sure. I think Cammy and Fei are still gonna be really strong, I'm not so sure about Seth or Akuma. Evil Ryu also looks great now, so does Dudley. I think Rolento is the best out the new characters and will find a good spot as an A tier character, time will tell on that one! But that's just my opinion. What do people think?

chopperbyrne wrote: »

Rolento struggles a bit against pressure, but otherwise is very solid. Think the twins will be strong again and Ken could end up being the best shoto.

Yeah, true, from what I've seen that seems the way. Ken looks great now, I think E Ryu will be best shoto with ken hot on his heels

Honestly, he's getting a slew of buffs. I'm really not trying to bring up this debate again or get into any arguments, but from what I see he's improved as a character. I count 2 actual nerfs to the character ; U2 DMG and his MGU being easier to punish on block now. I don't count sobat lower invincibility as a nerf because I disregard this property to ever have been justified, so the move does what it really should now

Overall, he has more damage output now (new combo opportunities and dmg buffs across the table. really good buffs here, deejay players have gotta be happy about this). His knee shot buff is insane, I don't think he has any right getting this buff at all, but it is what it is. This is a big deal, sure it does 20 less damage, but those 3 extra frames of hitstun are so crucial, that's an insanely strong buff. He can now easily confirm off a knee into a cl st.mk, into MP now, and then into something else, or go into cr.mk for a knockdown into a mixup (not sure if this combos but I'm sure it does?). Not to mention cr.MK does more damage now, so that's another way damage is being made up. If you're complaining about losing 20 dmg over an extra 3f of hitstun, which in turn leads to so much more dmg and opportunities (dmg and knockdown potential), then you're crazy. This is a mega buff for Deejay, this move is already great. Also, going into MK sobat > FADC can now lead to more dmg and corner carry into knockdown, like I said, lots of new options

His "get off me" reversal, pretty much got buffed. They could have made it more punishable and just flat out nerfed it, making it throw inv. and faster is crazy good. All slight nerfs deejay is getting, he's a getting a great buff in their place

Sobat is -3 now, only realistic punish to this now is super. So theoretically in the Ryu matchup, this is the same as an Akuma sweep for Deejay, except it's a charge move. This move just got better imo. You just have to be less braindead about using it now with the lower inv nerf

His normals are better, getting some quicker startup and hitbox buffs on some normals, this is a big deal for dealing with cr.techs or even a little in footsies.

Chip DMG on air slasher is good, the 3 dmg adds up to a lot, given you'll probably land a few blocked air slashers on your opponent throughout a match

IMHO these are all good changes, I don't understand why people are so disheartened, I'd be glad if I was a Deejay player right now. Not to mention red focus is a bigger benefit to charge characters right now, so overall he has a lot more tools.

cody is useless to guys

I played a good bit of sim in the arcades (both as him and against him) and honestly 2 hit MK was braindead. It was insanely good. Too good. It had to go. I still think Sim is a stronger character in Ultra.

Kirby wrote: »

How?

It stops all armoured attempts at gaining ground against Sim. There are already few opportunities to pick a moment and try to armour in against Sim and this made it totally worthless. Makoto/Sim for instance, IMO, swung entirely into Sims favour with that one buff.

Nearly the entire cast can simply duck under it.

Yup, they can duck under it, but thankfully nobody in AE has Tao's crawling from BB; if you're ducking under it, you're not moving forward. If you're not moving forward, you're losing.

He was garbage in AE and the 2 hit mk was his only substantial buff in this version. It helped him in his bad match ups.

It didn't just help him in his mad matchups, it made the match-ups he was already good in almost unwinnable for those characters. It utterly shuts down big slow characters to the point where those match-ups become 9-1. That's not how balancing works.

Also, he wasn't and isn't garbage in AE. He has some insanely bad matches by design, but Arturo in particular is doing really well with atm in tournies. I'm not saying he's top tier in AE by any stretch, and he has some really flawed design aspects in this game I think, but s.mk didn't actually address any of those issues fairly.

10 more damage on heavy punch or heavy kick wont stop him getting destroyed by half the cast.

He needed a new tool and he got it. But then a few people whined on forums and inexplicably they removed it at the 11th hour. It's just disappointing.

Standing MP start-up reduced by 1 frame (10F → 9F); advantage on hit reduced by 1 frame (0F → -1F); disadvantage after block increased by 1 frame (-3F → -4F)
Standing HP damage increased by 5 (75 → 80); advantage on hit increased by 1 frame (0F → +1F)
4+HP start-up reduced by 2F (7F → 5F)
4+MK pushback on hit and block reduced
4+HK damage increased by 10 (90 → 100)
L Yoga Blast hurtbox reduced
M Yoga Blast start-up reduced by 1 frame (15F → 14F)
EX Yoga Blast damage increased by 10 (90*50 → 90*60); hitbox slightly expanded forward;
EX Yoga Flame damage decreased by 20 (50*70 → 50*50); hitbox slightly expanded horizontally; recovery reduced by 3F (16F → 13F); advantage on block increased by 3F (-1F → +2F); on hit can be followed by normal attacks
Yoga Catastrophe (UC1) can now be activated even when Yoga Fire remains on-screen
Yoga Shangri-La (UC2) throw range slightly increased; command changed from 236236+PPP in air to 236236+KKK in air

In fairness, there's a lot more in there than just the extra damage. He's received a lot of tweaks on his long range game which decreases his recovery or increases block stun on those moves. They also made it so you can follow up after EX Yoga flame (gives the mocve a use) and made it so you U1 with a fireball already out which I think is great.

He was strong in the arcades, and good players of those arcades gave their feedback. The chances are we're going to get a 2015 ver anyway I think, so these things might change yet.

ladnopoka wrote: »

cody is useless to guys

Bottom tier ez

Kirby wrote: »

The move already had a use as a finisher of combo's. Its still too slow to use outside of that....and they took 20 damage off of it. It's an interesting trade but it would have been nice to keep the damage.

When I said it was pointless atm I meant no sim uses it, because they're either using ex.fireballs or they're saving up for super. This might change that meta.

That's not a buff. We've been able to do that since vanilla. What they did was remove it for Ultra.....and then change their minds at the last second and put it back in.

Ah my bad. I was reading it wrong, I thought it said you could fireball while U1 was out now.

Not Deejay!

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I think Yun will more than likely be top tier but not quite in the same way Cammy was in this version (which seems to be how people are referring to him currently).

I think Hound's list is a fairly good guess (missing Yun) and I'd maybe put Gouken on it as a wildcard.