Convicted child killer canvassing for sinn fein[Mod warning-First Post]

dj jarvis · 23-05-2014 08:19PM

R P McMurphy wrote: »

Open war? It was the development of guerilla warfare

they fought in open columns during the war of Independence , they were not going around as near clandestine as the PIRA were in the 60's and 70's , can not be compared
the guerilla warfare was WELL established prior to the war of independence

Fr. Ned · 23-05-2014 08:22PM

LordSutch wrote: »

I think Sinn Fein should get into bed with their kindrid spirits in the BNP, UKIP & Erigi to produce the ultimate bigoted Anglo-Gaelic psycopathic bastard party, which would then spontaneously combust and disappear up its own self important backside.

Whatever about McMahon being released from jail, (a very bitter pill to swallow) he should not be out and about swanning around on the Sinn Fein campaign trail, while his victims families look on in disgust, as they mourn their loved ones for the rest of their lives.

Did you vote in favour of the GFA?

dj jarvis · 23-05-2014 08:23PM

jasus - times have changed , just watching the election results for NI on BBC NI , and they keep referring to Derry AS DERRY !!!!

i repeat , the BBC up north have stopped using the silly London prefix when referring to Derry , now that is real progression

Happyman42 · 23-05-2014 08:27PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

they fought in open columns during the war of Independence , they were not going around as near clandestine as the PIRA were in the 60's and 70's , can not be compared
the guerilla warfare was WELL established prior to the war of independence

Not that clandestine if you know who was in it...eh. And you are very critical of Gerry not going to the police but you have evidence I am sure they could use. Instead you are wittering on an internet forum. Bigman/woman alright.

My name is URL · 23-05-2014 08:34PM

LordSutch wrote: »

I think Sinn Fein should get into bed with their kindrid spirits in the BNP, UKIP & Erigi to produce the ultimate bigoted Anglo-Gaelic psycopathic bastard party

That's terribly lazy ranting even by your standards.

Just the other day, a SF candidate had to leave the party due to bigoted comments he made against travellers 3 years ago.

http://www.clarepeople.com/2014/05/21/sinn-feins-local-election-candidate-for-the-ennis-area-cathal-oreilly-has-resigned-from-the-party-less-than-48-hours-before-the-people-of-clare-go-to-the-polls/

Comments similar to those made on AH every day. Comments more mild in nature than councillors from other parties have made, and yet they rarely if ever resign as a result.

And you're calling SF bigoted and racist? They are on the whole, one of the least bigoted and racist parties in Irish history.

I could link to stories about Enda Kenny making 'nigger' jokes, or to various FF councillors stating that knackers should all be sent to an island to rot... but what would even be the point.

The irony of you calling other people bigoted is just hilarious, though.

dj jarvis · 23-05-2014 08:35PM

[QUOTE=Happyman42;90523357]Not that clandestine if you know who was in it...eh. And you are very critical of Gerry not going to the police but you have evidence I am sure they could use. Instead you are wittering on an internet forum. Bigman/woman alright.[/QUOTE]

dont be silly , we are taking about the leaders of the rebellion , the British knew who they were.
as they did when gerry was CEO

and how would i have evidence ? being ridiculous now

if he wanted it known about the abuse , he could of reported it many other ways than dealing with the RUC - deal with it

Fr. Ned · 23-05-2014 08:46PM

A piece from an interview with John Maxwell, that young fella's father.

John says he felt a sense of relief when McMahon was convicted. However, he also publicly supported his 1998 release, after 19 years in prison, under the Good Friday Agreement, something he admits was "hard for me to say" at the time.

John hopes that those behind the attack that claimed his son's life have changed.

"I understand the IRA Army Council sanctioned it and on that I think you would have had some of our present politicians," he says.

"I have to give them the benefit of the doubt. They must have changed to some extent or they wouldn't be entering the kind of agreement they have entered," he adds.

"If you look at the thing from the point of view of the country, you have to go along with it and it is better that these guys change later than never," John concludes.

Happyman42 · 23-05-2014 08:49PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

dont be silly , we are taking about the leaders of the rebellion , the British knew who they were.
as they did when gerry was CEO

and how would i have evidence ? being ridiculous now

if he wanted it known about the abuse , he could of reported it many other ways than dealing with the RUC - deal with it

You said you know, you either do or you don't.

Fr. Ned · 23-05-2014 08:54PM

Happyman42 wrote: »

You said you know, you either do or you don't.

These lads know everything.

They read it in the sindo every Sunday morning.

Iwasfrozen · 23-05-2014 08:55PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

jasus - times have changed , just watching the election results for NI on BBC NI , and they keep referring to Derry AS DERRY !!!!

i repeat , the BBC up north have stopped using the silly London prefix when referring to Derry , now that is real progression

They say Londonderry the first time and Derry subsequently. That's been the protocol for years.

bumper234 · 23-05-2014 09:06PM

Happyman42 wrote: »

You said you know, you either do or you don't.

The same way all shinners "know" that MI5, secret police, SAS etc were involved in the Dublin Monaghan bombings.

Fr. Ned · 23-05-2014 09:10PM

bumper234 wrote: »

The same way all shinners "know" that MI5, secret police, SAS etc were involved in the Dublin Monaghan bombings.

I was going to ask did you read the Barron report but I'll start with an easier one.

Have you even heard of the Barron report?

Son Of A Vidic · 23-05-2014 09:11PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

jasus - times have changed , just watching the election results for NI on BBC NI , and they keep referring to Derry AS DERRY !!!!

i repeat , the BBC up north have stopped using the silly London prefix when referring to Derry , now that is real progression

Not surprising at all, once the obligatory niceties are completed. The veil usually slips and they just revert to being Irish.

Lastlight. · 23-05-2014 09:25PM

My name is URL wrote: »

That's terribly lazy ranting even by your standards.

Just the other day, a SF candidate had to leave the party due to bigoted comments he made against travellers 3 years ago.

http://www.clarepeople.com/2014/05/21/sinn-feins-local-election-candidate-for-the-ennis-area-cathal-oreilly-has-resigned-from-the-party-less-than-48-hours-before-the-people-of-clare-go-to-the-polls/

Comments similar to those made on AH every day. Comments more mild in nature than councillors from other parties have made, and yet they rarely if ever resign as a result.

And you're calling SF bigoted and racist? They are on the whole, one of the least bigoted and racist parties in Irish history.

I could link to stories about Enda Kenny making 'nigger' jokes, or to various FF councillors stating that knackers should all be sent to an island to rot... but what would even be the point.

The irony of you calling other people bigoted is just hilarious, though.

Well they make up for it in the murder and defence of terrorism.

dj jarvis · 23-05-2014 09:28PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

They say Londonderry the first time and Derry subsequently. That's been the protocol for years.

yes , normally , but it was just derry , he did not mention londonderry once in the interview , thats why it stood out for me

dj jarvis · 23-05-2014 09:31PM

[QUOTE=Fr. Ned;90523756]These lads know everything.

They read it in the sindo every Sunday morning.[/QUOTE]

LOL , these lads ???

you have no idea who or what my politics or knowledge is , yet you make a dumb as rocks statement like that.

im guessing you are a world authority - but hiding the fact very well

Fr. Ned · 23-05-2014 09:33PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

LOL , these lads ???

you have no idea who or what my politics or knowledge is , yet you make a dumb as rocks statement like that.

im guessing you are a world authority - but hiding the fact very well

Anyone with a fair and balanced view on SF and their role in this country wouldn't come out with the sh1te you do.

Are you Jim Cusak?

Happyman42 · 23-05-2014 09:41PM

bumper234 wrote: »

The same way all shinners "know" that MI5, secret police, SAS etc were involved in the Dublin Monaghan bombings.

I don't know, I just want to see the files. They have been accused of it and they have re-submerged the files. An intelligent person would wonder why a government who actually have covered up their actions before would do that.

Happyman42 · 23-05-2014 09:50PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

you have no idea who or what my politics or knowledge is

I assure you I could answer on both counts.

WakeUp · 23-05-2014 10:05PM

bumper234 wrote: »

The same way all shinners "know" that MI5, secret police, SAS etc were involved in the Dublin Monaghan bombings.

Go away out of that. Im not a shinner far from it have never voted for them in my life and dont think I ever would and I want to see those files released(question mark) like a lot of other non-shinners. The fact they refuse to release them would indicate to me that they contain information they dont want us to see. In a previous post you stated that there was no question mark over possible British state involvement that statement to me was either willfully misleading on your part or youre completely misinformed to this particular issue as obviously there is a question mark and has been for a long time. perhaps you dont care which is fair enough thats up to you. On the question of McMahon I dont agree with bombs going off killing people I care not who plants them all of them are wrong to me I would prefer that he didnt call in to my house knowing he played a part in that, thats just my opinion. Back to the files release them. If they have nothing to hide then let us have a look at them your attempted blasé dismissal doesnt wash at all Im afraid.

Banjo String · 23-05-2014 10:08PM

Well it's 2205.

This thread is now defunct (like the Provos) it maybe did, maybe did not serve it's purpose.
(which was openly admitted on thread was to cost the SF party votes)

I honestly did not know the OP was a serving member of the British army (former) until yesterday though. (couldn't care less either)

It's time to move on. The past is in the past.

RandomName2 · 23-05-2014 10:14PM

Akrasia wrote: »

Nelson Mandella was head of a terrorist organisation that planted bombs in public places and killed many men women and children

The current ruling parties FF and FG were involved in the irish civil war where hundreds of innocent people were killed...

Nothing is to be gained from dwelling in past conflicts. The peace process necessarily involves putting the past behind us and moving forward.

I can't really work out what you are saying.

Killing many men women and children is okay as long as there is a political motive?

A war almost a century ago is the same as one which is in living memory (i.e. that people involved in it are being discussed in this thread)?

Past events have no relevance? Doesn't one predicate the future on the past? Thomas McMahon obviously believes that what he did was right - and, well, for what it's worth he's entitled to that opinion. He also, apparently, believes that Sinn Fein are largely in accordance with his beliefs. Okay. That Sinn Fein think that it's okay for him to be campaigning on their behalf, and by extension saying that they agree with McMahon's beliefs is worrying.

The past is the past? Would you find it okay if someone guilty of the Dublin-Monaghan bombings was campaigning on behalf of an Irish political party?

Nodin · 23-05-2014 10:17PM

LordSutch wrote: »

I think Sinn Fein should get into bed with their kindrid spirits in the BNP, UKIP & Erigi to produce the ultimate bigoted Anglo-Gaelic psycopathic bastard party, which would then spontaneously combust and disappear up its own self important backside.
...........

Sinn Fein have nothing in common with UKIP and the BNP.

bumper234 · 23-05-2014 10:18PM

Happyman42 wrote: »

I don't know, I just want to see the files. They have been accused of it and they have re-submerged the files. An intelligent person would wonder why a government who actually have covered up their actions before would do that.

I actually would like them.to release the files too and if there is an inkling of collusion or blame by members of the BA and indeed British gov agencies then i would hope the people responsible would be tried and convicted (preferably by a war crimes commission) for their crimes.

RandomName2 · 23-05-2014 10:20PM

Nodin wrote: »

Sinn Fein have nothing in common with UKIP and the BNP.

Besides being ultra-nationalist, isolationist, anti-establishment, anti-EU, protest vote magnets.

Nodin · 23-05-2014 10:22PM

RandomName2 wrote: »

Besides being ultra-nationalist, isolationist, anti-establishment, anti-EU, protest vote magnets.

....nothing wrong with being anti-establishment. SF are not isolationist in outlook. The "ultra-nationalist" label is also inappropriate, given the anti-racist stance of the party.

Alias G · 23-05-2014 10:23PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

is there a moratorium on talking about SF shady past today ? no ?
then dont read the paper and you will be fine.

its healthy to talk about ALL politicians pasts , sure on AH people never shut the funk up about the civil war partys , FG being blue shirts , Collins VS Dev ( the slaughtering :-) )ect ect

so we can mention THOSE people no bother , JUST DONT MENTION THE MURDERS 20, 30 and 40 YEARS AGO

OK BOSS!!!

I have no issue with people talking about the shinners past. In fact their past is the biggest obstacle to me voting for them. I do however take issue with the indo agenda 20 years after the peace process amongst their other irresponsible journalism.

Happyman42 · 23-05-2014 10:25PM

RandomName2 wrote: »

Besides being ultra-nationalist, isolationist, anti-establishment, anti-EU, protest vote magnets.

They have built a solid base of hard working honest, no nonense local candidates...voters can see that, they are not stupid. That is what their success is based on.
And I am not a traditional SF voter, although Matt Carthy got my No. 1 today.

dj jarvis · 23-05-2014 10:25PM

Fr. Ned wrote: »

Anyone with a fair and balanced view on SF and their role in this country wouldn't come out with the sh1te you do.

Are you Jim Cusak?

oh , touched a nerve did it ?

i have stated on many Ah threads that i dont have any problem with members of SF who had no hand or part in the troubles, in fact , locally they are great on the ground , as for national government , they are at least 20 years away from getting near power.

so , its on the record that i have no axe to grind with SF , i do however have one when it comes to the inaction of Adams when it came to reporting the child abuse, there is ZERO evidence that he ever reported it to anyone , and in fact only made statements about it after UTV aired a documentary on the subject.they forced his hand.

i also remember it being SF policy NOT to report cases of child sexual abuse up until 1997.

i'll let that last line sink in awhile

bumper234 · 23-05-2014 10:26PM

Banjo String wrote: »

Well it's 2205.

This thread is now defunct (like the Provos) it maybe did, maybe did not serve it's purpose.
(which was openly admitted on thread was to cost the SF party votes)

I honestly did not know the OP was a serving member of the British army (former) until yesterday though. (couldn't care less either)

It's time to move on. The past is in the past.

Can i just state that i did not start this thread to "cost SF votes". If it did cost them votes then i certainly wouldn't lose sleep over it but that was not the reason i started it. As for being a former member of the BA i have lived most of my life in Ireland so i can relate to the side of the Irish people having grown up in Ireland (but not directly affected) during the troubles.