what is disadvantaged

23-05-2014 12:06PM

Seaneh wrote: »

Nobody besides you and one other person said being disadvantaged has anything to do with parents working in the service inudtry or not having a 3rd level education.

Compared to people in Clonsilla or Artane, people in Gardiner Street are still disadvantaged for the same reasons as when compared to people from clontarf or dalkey for the same reasons.

I live in Artane, there are several excellent schools in the area, there is an amazing amount of sporting amenities, there are fantastic parks and green areas within walking distance, it's a much better place to live for lots of reasons than the city centre, but it's still very working class.

You are making my point exactly I know Artane, will you please explain what exactly is wrong with it being Working class??? or any working class area???... why in gods name is that perceived as inferior???? I would live there.

23-05-2014 12:09PM

If we really have got to the stage in Ireland where people feel being working class or living in a working class area make them "disadvantaged" then the world had gone mad.

Stojkovic · 23-05-2014 12:09PM

mfergus wrote: »

The disadvantaged are the people who work for a living.
The "advantaged" are those who don't work but are given everything by the government and probably have more than the disadvantaged working person.

Correct.
Disadvantaged is a polite word for lazy, thieving scroungers.

Seaneh · 23-05-2014 12:09PM

mariaalice wrote: »

You are making my point exactly I know Artane, will you please explain what exactly is wrong with it being Working class??? or any working class area???... why in gods name is that perceived as inferior???? I would live there.

Where did I say anything is wrong with being working class?

Turtyturd · 23-05-2014 12:14PM

mariaalice wrote: »

You are making my point exactly I know Artane, will you please explain what exactly is wrong with it being Working class??? or any working class area???... why in gods name is that perceived as inferior???? I would live there.

There is nothing wrong with it being working class. But working class isn't homogeneous. Artane is 2minutes from where I grew up but would be considered a 'posher' area despite still being working class.

23-05-2014 12:15PM

Seaneh wrote: »

Where did I say anything is wrong with being working class?

Sorry if I miss understood you,....you listed all the facilities of Artane and then said but it is still a working class area as if that somehow made it less attractive as a place to live.

Seaneh · 23-05-2014 12:15PM

Turtyturd wrote: »

There is nothing wrong with it being working class. But working class isn't homogeneous. Artane is 2minutes from where I grew up but would be considered a 'posher' area despite still being working class.

He's trying to argue a point I didn't make in some vain attempt to discredit what I actually did say.
The mind boggles.

steddyeddy · 23-05-2014 12:19PM

mariaalice wrote: »

If we really have got to the stage in Ireland where people feel being working class or living in a working class area make them "disadvantaged" then the world had gone mad.

I agree with that.

Seaneh · 23-05-2014 12:19PM

mariaalice wrote: »

Sorry if I miss understood you,....you listed all the facilities of Artane and then said but it is still a working class area as if that somehow made it less attractive as a place to live.

I listed the facilities in Artane to explain how even though it wouldn't be considered a privileged area you could still say Gardiner Street would be disadvantaged when compared to it.
I mentioned the fact that it's a working class area because when I mentioned two areas some might perceive as middle or upper class you cried foul for me picking two "posh" areas to compare the inner city to. I pointed out that even compared to this working class area, the inner city is still disadvantaged. It's fairly easy to see what I was actually doing.

pundy · 23-05-2014 12:20PM

in this country, pretty much everyone is "disadvantaged"...
except for the lucky chancers in government and the 1% of the rich elite.

this country is a horrible begrudging kip full of fatties who have WAY too much confidence and bitterness at the same time, so it may very well seem like there's a social divide, but it's only one which is in the minds of these idiots.

Seaneh · 23-05-2014 12:23PM

pundy wrote: »

in this country, pretty much everyone is "disadvantaged"...
except for the lucky chancers in government and the 1% of the rich elite.

this country is a horrible begrudging kip full of fatties who have WAY too much confidence and bitterness at the same time, so it may very well seem like there's a social divide, but it's only one which is in the minds of these idiots.

I'd recommend Dublin port as a nice, convenient departure point if you're so displeased with the locals.

23-05-2014 12:37PM

I mentioned having parents who do not have third level education, because it is one of the criteria that is used for the HEAR (higher education access rote )so the people in the department of Education or social protection? use that as a criteria for measuring "disadvantage" not the only one mind you.

K-9 · 23-05-2014 12:38PM

Seaneh wrote: »

I listed the facilities in Artane to explain how even though it wouldn't be considered a privileged area you could still say Gardiner Street would be disadvantaged when compared to it.
I mentioned the fact that it's a working class area because when I mentioned two areas some might perceive as middle or upper class you cried foul for me picking two "posh" areas to compare the inner city to. I pointed out that even compared to this working class area, the inner city is still disadvantaged. It's fairly easy to see what I was actually doing.

Somewhere like Gardiner Street and Summerhill area is obviously disadvantaged, Kilbarrack, Southill in Limerick, the Falls/Shankill in Belfast, I'd have thought this was extremely obvious in this day and age.

Because of the culture, low levels of education and poverty in these areas people are at a big disadvantage, and these types of areas have seen little improvement from 30 years ago.

I'd say "struggling class" is a better term for what I'd consider the level above that. People finding it extremely difficult in the recession to make ends meet. Areas or the traditional classes doesn't really matter with this class, they are all over Ireland and income isn't that much of a determining factor. One family might have a perceived high income and good standard of living to an outsider but are very much "fur coat, no knickers"!

Another family might have a modest enough income and from a traditional working class area but managing fine.

K-9 · 23-05-2014 12:46PM

mariaalice wrote: »

I mentioned having parents who do not have third level education, because it is one of the criteria that is used for the HEAR (higher education access rote )so the people in the department of Education or social protection? use that as a criteria for measuring "disadvantage" not the only one mind you.

Well children whose parents went to higher level are a good bit more likely to go on to third level themselves. It's not one I'd put huge store in myself as I think it is much easier to access higher level than 20/30 years ago. Plus society has changed so much it is nearly the ones who don't go that stick out!

The disadvantaged areas I mentioned before still have low rates of participation despite free fees and targeted initiatives. It's just a very difficult thing to break down. Free fees helped a small part but they largely helped traditional middle classes that struggled to pay education fees.

The way registration fees are going "free fees" are getting a moot point and in a few years will be irrelevant.

ratmouse · 23-05-2014 12:46PM

Davarus Walrus wrote: »

Only having a basic SKY package.

Only have the older Sky box

23-05-2014 12:58PM

Back to my original point.....you often see posts form people here that start a post something like I came form a disadvantage background and went to college or managed to get a good job or buy a house or whatever, now as the story goes on they have not come from heroin addicted abusive parents... it just the parent(s) did not have much money and lived in ordinary circumstances, yet they have internalised a belief that they come from a disadvantaged back ground??

pundy · 23-05-2014 01:03PM

Seaneh wrote: »

I'd recommend Dublin port as a nice, convenient departure point if you're so displeased with the locals.

Thankfully i only have to deal with you people for short bursts at a time.

and no, i think i'd be flying and not going to some Irish port. gross

Seaneh · 23-05-2014 01:07PM

pundy wrote: »

Thankfully i only have to deal with you people for short bursts at a time.

and no, i think i'd be flying and not going to some Irish port. gross

Well at least you know you have options when it comes to leaving.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Turtyturd · 23-05-2014 01:14PM

mariaalice wrote: »

Back to my original point.....you often see posts form people here that start a post something like I came form a disadvantage background and went to college or managed to get a good job or buy a house or whatever, now as the story goes on they have not come from heroin addicted abusive parents... it just the parent(s) did not have much money and lived in ordinary circumstances, yet they have internalised a belief that they come from a disadvantaged back ground??

You're taking the p*ss now, yeah?

pundy · 23-05-2014 01:21PM

Seaneh wrote: »

Well at least you know you have options when it comes to leaving.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

i wont Seaneh.
you're a funny little fella, sure it's no wonder so many people are staying in the country with charmers like you around.

good day to you.

Seaneh · 23-05-2014 01:24PM

pundy wrote: »

i wont Seaneh.
you're a funny little fella, sure it's no wonder so many people are staying in the country with charmers like you around.

good day to you.

I'm positively hilarious, I know.

Roger_007 · 23-05-2014 01:24PM

"Disadvantaged" and "austerity" come from the same box of political/social mumbo-jumbo. If the same people who are "disadvantaged" now or are now victims of "austerity", had the same means 20 years ago as they have now, they would have been regarded as doing well for themselves.

fleet_admiral · 23-05-2014 01:29PM

Not being able to provide 3 square meals a day, clean clothes heating in the winter and good education would be disadvantaged in my book. we can all live without sky/upc and trivial things

23-05-2014 01:30PM

Turtyturd wrote: »

You're taking the p*ss now, yeah?

not at all I am obviously not making my point very well, thousands of people grow up in perfectible ordinary circumstance with parent(s) who while not having much money did there best for them, now some of those will come to believe they come from a disadvantage background when in reality its noting of the sort its the average normal life for lots of people.

Turtyturd · 23-05-2014 01:31PM

fleet_admiral wrote: »

Not being able to provide 3 square meals a day, clean clothes heating in the winter and good education would be disadvantaged in my book. we can all live without sky/upc and trivial things

That's living in poverty. Completely different.

Turtyturd · 23-05-2014 01:36PM

mariaalice wrote: »

not at all I am obviously not making my point very well, thousands of people grow up in perfectible ordinary circumstance with parent(s) who while not having much money did there best for them, now some of those will come to believe they come from a disadvantage background when in reality its noting of the sort its the average normal life for lots of people.

There is no such thing as ordinary circumstances.

23-05-2014 01:44PM

Turtyturd wrote: »

There is no such thing as ordinary circumstances.

Well average circumstance if you want to be pedantic.

Turtyturd · 23-05-2014 01:47PM

mariaalice wrote: »

Well average circumstance if you want to be pedantic.

So in comparison to the thousands of advantaged people they are......

ratmouse · 23-05-2014 01:49PM

pundy wrote: »

Thankfully i only have to deal with you people for short bursts at a time.

and no, i think i'd be flying and not going to some Irish port. gross

I'm hoping that it is just a case of my sarcasm detection radar needing calibration.

motivation · 23-05-2014 09:23PM

very poor people in trouble

what is disadvantaged

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