Convicted child killer canvassing for sinn fein[Mod warning-First Post]

rosser44 · 22-05-2014 07:11PM

Banjo String wrote: »

I'm sure Mr Maxwell wouldn't want his sons death to be used by some as a political football either.

Anyway, I'll direct the question at you this time.

Did/do you support the terms of the GFA? Or would you prefer the conflict to to still be raging?

Yes I do support the GFA, but that does not mean that I think that this man is anything other than a murderer of children who has refused the pleas of the families of his victims for an explanation of his actions like the coward he is.

Or in your eyes is he a hero of the cause???

moxin · 22-05-2014 07:11PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Feel free to start a thread on that and i will have no problem whatsoever condeming the scumbag that shot him. If you have any evidence of me condoning the murder of a child or in fact anyone else please post it otherwise please don't post idiotic ****e like you did above

More dodging. You have highlighted one incident of teenagers being murdered(this thread) called the perps child killers yet through the power of silence you and others ignore the other incidence of child murder which was in the news just yesterday.

A hierarchy of victims is typical of your posts.

EyeSight · 22-05-2014 07:11PM

I'm not defending SF.
But this government and the last support releasing prisoners early and not giving long sentences, even to murderers/rapists. They state that their debt has been paid and they should be allowed to live their lives upon release.
But if SF do it they're evil child killers? Seems like double standards

moxin · 22-05-2014 07:13PM

upyores wrote: »

I will address your drivel as best I can.
My "Bile" as you call it is reserved for a subhuman piece of dirt that knowingly and cold bloodedly murdered two kids and refuses to show any remorse, or even meet the family of one of the kids despite their repeated requests.
Murdering two kids did not bring us one single step nearer a United Ireland, it was unjustified and unjustifiable.
I accept that as part of the peace deal prisoners on all sides were released, and I can even admire some like Patrick McGee who has genuinely tried to build bridges with some of the families that his bomb at the Grand Hotel in Brighton devastated.
I am not so naïve to believe that we can move forward without some price having to be paid, and I accept that price.
What I find repugnant is the crass insensitivity of SF in using this thing to canvass while he still smugly refuses to offer any solace to the Maxwell family, worse , I find repugnant Gerry Adams glowing endorsement of McMahon, which by extension is an endorsement of McMahons actions , including the murders of those children.

Are you a spokesperson for the Maxwell family?

If not, you are using the tragic event for political posturing.

Reformed Character · 22-05-2014 07:15PM

Banjo String wrote: »

Can I ask you, did you agree with the GFA, and the IRA (or any other paramilitary organisation) choosing to lay down their arms and adopt peaceful means to achieve its objectives?

I know (and I have immediate family members killed in the troubles) that I prefer how things are today.

slate them while their in the Provos, encourage them to go down the ballotbox route.

But then slate them again, only when it threatens the status quo.

Yes I do agree with the GFA.
Things are certainly better today, though they could be a lot better still.
My issue is not the status quo, it is with this individual who knowingly blew to kids up, refuses to offer any solace to the Maxwell family, and is endorsed in glowing terms by SF.
Like it or not that is highly insensitive and insulting.
By the way, re your earlier post it most certainly is not unheard of for soldiers (though I don't consider them as such) to personally apologise. One such case is that of Patrick McGee the Brighton Bomber.

Reformed Character · 22-05-2014 07:15PM

Banjo String wrote: »

Can I ask you, did you agree with the GFA, and the IRA (or any other paramilitary organisation) choosing to lay down their arms and adopt peaceful means to achieve its objectives?

I know (and I have immediate family members killed in the troubles) that I prefer how things are today.

slate them while their in the Provos, encourage them to go down the ballotbox route.

But then slate them again, only when it threatens the status quo.

Yes I do agree with the GFA.
Things are certainly better today, though they could be a lot better still.
My issue is not the status quo, it is with this individual who knowingly blew two kids up, refuses to offer any solace to the Maxwell family, and is endorsed in glowing terms by SF.
Like it or not that is highly insensitive and insulting.
By the way, re your earlier post it most certainly is not unheard of for soldiers (though I don't consider them as such) to personally apologise. One such case is that of Patrick McGee the Brighton Bomber.

Beano · 22-05-2014 07:16PM

Happyman42 wrote: »

Does it matter to the dead which one it was?
All sides engaged in terror, all sides committed atrocities.
What you need to ask yourself is what we have now better or worse than what it was back then. Was your condemnation of any use back then and is it of any use now or just useless hysteria.
Sinn Fein are the only parties of the conflict/war who are on record as saying they want to properly and finally give closure to those damaged by the conflict by means of a truth and reconciliation commission.
That will not happen in hysterical, media led crusades for one-sided truth finding or justice.

you need to consult a thesaurus.

Reformed Character · 22-05-2014 07:21PM

moxin wrote: »

Are you a spokesperson for the Maxwell family?

If not, you are using the tragic event for political posturing.

My arse.
As a citizen of this country I am as entitled as anyone to challenge insensitivity and barbarity whenever and wherever I find it.
Is this the new SF democracy at work!

Banjo String · 22-05-2014 07:23PM

rosser44 wrote: »

Yes I do support the GFA, but that does not mean that I think that this man is anything other than a murderer of children who has refused the pleas of the families of his victims for an explanation of his actions like the coward he is.

Sadly the GFA has no clause in it that required apologies being issued by any side to any victim.

It did encourage paramilitaries from both sides of the conflict to lay down arms and engage in peaceful means only, this man has done this, as have many others from Loyalist and republican groups.

This man served his time, was released under the terms of the GFA and has allegedly turned his back on the IRA (who are now a defunct organisation anyway) and has engaged in peaceful means, I.e the ballot box. (the Irish Govt at the time encouraged him and others to do this)

while SF were on the fringe of political waste land in the south, this was never a problem........ But now they're making serious political gains (Lynn Boylan will more than likely pip Brian Hayes in Dublin) is faux outrage all around.

You can't support Some aspects of the agreement, as I understand it, it's an all in package that can't be cherry picked.

rosser44 wrote: »

Or in your eyes is he a hero of the cause???

I have no opinion on him either way, I don't know him.

bumper234 · 22-05-2014 07:23PM

moxin wrote: »

More dodging. You have highlighted one incident of teenagers being murdered(this thread) called the perps child killers yet through the power of silence you and others ignore the other incidence of child murder which was in the news just yesterday.

A hierarchy of victims is typical of your posts.

I am dodging **** all, I condemn all murderers weather Irish or British but because i have taken that away from you you are now saying i am somehow complicit because i won't list off which murderers i condemn

And no matter how you want to put it they were children who were killed, innocent children deliberately blown to bits by a cold callous killer.

mezuzaj · 22-05-2014 07:26PM

stimpson wrote: »

Jesus. The ruling classes are shitting themselves at the thoughts of the Shinners doing well.

Ruling classes??? Anyone earning over 40K would be worse off with SF. So it that is the ruling classes, then its a big class.

Banjo String · 22-05-2014 07:27PM

upyores wrote: »

Yes I do agree with the GFA.
Things are certainly better today, though they could be a lot better still.
My issue is not the status quo, it is with this individual who knowingly blew to kids up, refuses to offer any solace to the Maxwell family, and is endorsed in glowing terms by SF.
Like it or not that is highly insensitive and insulting.
By the way, re your earlier post it most certainly is not unheard of for soldiers (though I don't consider them as such) to personally apologise. One such case is that of Patrick McGee the Brighton Bomber.

See my earlier post. The GFA cannot be cherry picked, the man in question was released under the GFA (which you acknowledge you support)

Free man, time served, arms lain down and political approach taken. .

That's the harsh reality I'm afraid.

Reformed Character · 22-05-2014 07:29PM

Banjo String wrote: »

See my earlier post. The GFA cannot be cherry picked, the man in question was released under the GFA (which you acknowledge you support)

Free man, time served, arms lain down and political approach taken. .

That's the harsh reality I'm afraid.

Read my post, I'm not cherry picking, I am condemning the crass insensitivity of SF

Da Shins Kelly · 22-05-2014 07:30PM

The Irish Independent is an embarrassment. The Dublin media in general sh*tting itself over the possibility of Sinn Fein doing well in an election got boring a long time ago.

Spring Onion · 22-05-2014 07:45PM

moxin wrote: »

Are you a spokesperson for the Maxwell family?

If not, you are using the tragic event for political posturing.

No he isn't, you just don't know how to reply without looking stupid. Weak response.

LordSutch · 22-05-2014 07:49PM

comongethappy wrote: »

Meh ...... Their supporters seem to care little for SFs terrorist associations

Agreed, and I can only presume that the older people who vote for Sinn Fein do so in the full knowledge of their terrorist connections, however I wonder what younger innocent prospective voters will make of this sinister breaking news/revelation? and how might it affect their decision making?

I do appreciate that the younger crop of SF people are not connected to terrorism, but some of the 'old guard' certainly are, and with this in mind I think it crazy that anyone with this knowledge would vote for them until those SF people with blood on their hands retire & die off.

mikeym · 22-05-2014 07:56PM

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

Sinn Fein have always been scum, they've just done a very good PR job. I would never vote for them, it's a matter of principal. A vote for Sinn Fein is an approval of their past behaviour in my opinion.

Scum is a bit extreme.

They want a 32 county republic and their trying to go down the political route to achieve their aim.

Id love Sinn Fein to be the main opposition party in the Dail im so sick of Fianna Fail, Fine Gael, Labour and the Green Party.

22-05-2014 08:00PM

Look back far enough and other parties had blood on their hands too.

LordSutch · 22-05-2014 08:09PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Look back far enough and other parties had blood on their hands too.

Oh yes, that goes without saying in Irish politics, bu the thing bout Sinn Fein is the fact that some of their number are actually connected to murders that were comitted within living memory, and its for that reason that so many Irish people find the SF brand so toxic.

rosser44 · 22-05-2014 08:19PM

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

The Irish Independent is an embarrassment. The Dublin media in general sh*tting itself over the possibility of Sinn Fein doing well in an election got boring a long time ago.

Do tell me more about the lies and untrue statements which fill the article in question?

Yes the indo has become a tabloid rag but they are on the money here.

The people of Ireland have a right to know about calibre of people who are part of the parties which they vote for.

I hope they do a story on any dodgy or criminal canvassers who have the support of any other group or party too

Dan_Solo · 22-05-2014 08:24PM

LordSutch wrote: »

Oh yes, that goes without saying in Irish politics, bu the thing bout Sinn Fein is the fact that some of their number are actually connected to murders that were comitted within living memory, and its for that reason that so many Irish people find the SF brand so toxic.

So many? How come the opinion polls have them as around joint second most supported party in Ireland?
Less toxic than Labour it would seem.

RecordStraight · 22-05-2014 08:28PM

Dan_Solo wrote: »

So many? How come the opinion polls have them as around joint second most supported party in Ireland?
Less toxic than Labour it would seem.

Well we know Shinnerbots like yourself aren't bothered by child murders committed 'for the cause' 'during the war', but there's a certain percentage of society that still have principles about voting for murderers and supporters of murderers.

Pumpkinseeds · 22-05-2014 08:30PM

mikeym wrote: »

Scum is a bit extreme.

They want a 32 county republic and their trying to go down the political route to achieve their aim.

Id love Sinn Fein to be the main opposition party in the Dail im so sick of Fianna Fail, Fine Gael, Labour and the Green Party.

We'll have to agree to disagree on Sinn Fein.

LordSutch · 22-05-2014 08:32PM

Dan_Solo wrote: »

So many? How come the opinion polls have them as around joint second most supported party in Ireland?
Less toxic than Labour it would seem.

I don't doubt that the opnion polls tell the truth, which has people like me perplexed as to how 'and why' people might vote for SF in the 1st place. One of these days I am going to find a sf supporter and ask them directly if they are aware of what SF actually stand for, and if they agree with they actions they defend (like the five murders connected to McMahon).

Dan_Solo · 22-05-2014 08:33PM

RecordStraight wrote: »

Well we know Shinnerbots like yourself aren't bothered by child murders committed 'for the cause' 'during the war', but there's a certain percentage of society that still have principles about voting for murderers and supporters of murderers.

According to the last poll, 23% of Ireland are Shinnerbots. Likely to be the second biggest party soon. Highest in years.
Guess the anti-SF spin machine needs a new drum.

And we all know status quo fans like yourself just love health cutbacks 'cos they get hot n heavy sending billions to Germany so people can die on trollies outside wards across Ireland. To each his own. eh?

DubVelo · 22-05-2014 08:35PM

LordSutch wrote: »

Oh yes, that goes without saying in Irish politics, bu the thing bout Sinn Fein is the fact that some of their number are actually connected to murders that were comitted within living memory, and its for that reason that so many Irish people find the SF brand so toxic.

Who's living memory? That's a pretty strange way of looking at it, FF/FG might have been connected to murders in say, your grans living memory. But that's ok is it?

There's a really weird double standard at play with SF vs. FF/FG that I find hard to stomach.

RecordStraight · 22-05-2014 08:36PM

Dan_Solo wrote: »

According to the last poll, 23% of Ireland are Shinnerbots. Likely to be the second biggest party soon. Highest in years.
Guess the anti-SF spin machine needs a new drum.

Listen, I hope they get into government next time. But only a certain percentage of supporters, like yourself, are Shinnerbots - people running 24/7 PR campaigns for them on social media. The majority are the same floating voters who are abandoning Labour like they abandoned Fiann Failure the last time.

They will probably support Sinn Fein until they actually get to see the consequences of having them in government, when their magical money tree solutions fail to pan out.

Tramps Like Us · 22-05-2014 08:37PM

Cant wait for the election results, the weeping and gnashing of teeth at the indo and among the usual suspects will be great

Dan_Solo · 22-05-2014 08:38PM

LordSutch wrote: »

I don't doubt that the opnion polls tell the truth, which has people like me perplexed as to how 'and why' people might vote for SF in the 1st place. One of these days I am going to find a sf supporter and ask them directly if they are aware of what SF actually stand for, and if they agree with they actions they defend (like the five murders connected to McMahon).

Of course you mean "are aware of what I say SF actually stand for."

RecordStraight · 22-05-2014 08:38PM

DubVelo wrote: »

Who's living memory? That's a pretty strange way of looking at it, FF/FG might have been connected to murders in say, your grans living memory. But that's ok is it?

There's a really weird double standard at play with SF vs. FF/FG that I find hard to stomach.

And yet Shinnerbots still trot out the line about FG being Blueshirts. It's almost like - gasp - a double standard.

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