Convicted child killer canvassing for sinn fein[Mod warning-First Post]

Happyman42 · 22-05-2014 06:03PM

rosser44 wrote: »

Well do you think that what happened in Sligo was a legitimate operation by the IRA or do you think it was mass murder??

It was either one or the other.

Does it matter to the dead which one it was?
All sides engaged in terror, all sides committed atrocities.
What you need to ask yourself is what we have now better or worse than what it was back then. Was your condemnation of any use back then and is it of any use now or just useless hysteria.
Sinn Fein are the only parties of the conflict/war who are on record as saying they want to properly and finally give closure to those damaged by the conflict by means of a truth and reconciliation commission.
That will not happen in hysterical, media led crusades for one-sided truth finding or justice.

Dan_Solo · 22-05-2014 06:05PM

rosser44 wrote: »

As I have stated above I support no political party and certainly do not condone or support murder.

You are gonig to get nowhere by trying to questioning my political affiliations as I have none, better luck next time.

Ah, so you dodge that and suggest nobody vote at all.
Great fence sitting non input there mate!

rosser44 · 22-05-2014 06:05PM

Happyman42 wrote: »

Does it matter to the dead which one it was?
All sides engaged in terror, all sides committed atrocities.
What you need to ask yourself is what we have now better or worse than what it was back then. Was your condemnation of any use back then and is it of any use now or just useless hysteria.
Sinn Fein are the only parties of the conflict/war who are on record as saying they want to properly and finally give closure to those damaged by the conflict by means of a truth and reconciliation commission.
That will not happen in hysterical, media led crusades for one-sided truth finding or justice.

Nicely dodged, you could be a politician.

Now please answer my question, or do you refuse to?

It is a clear and concise question, it was either one or the other.

rosser44 · 22-05-2014 06:06PM

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Ah, so you dodge that and suggest nobody vote at all.
Great fence sitting non input there mate!

I support no politicial party as I do not like any of them, I vote indepentent. I do not sit on any fence, or try to hide behind one like you.

Banjo String · 22-05-2014 06:08PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Who apologised?

Thread has become a train wreck (as I knew it would become)

Anyway, the IRA did apologise to all innocent victims in the during the troubles.

This is a well known fact.

frostyjacks · 22-05-2014 06:09PM

This is a law abiding citizen who has served his time. We shouldn't forget the past, but we shouldn't be shackled by it either.

rosser44 · 22-05-2014 06:10PM

Ah, so you dodge that and suggest nobody vote at all.
Great fence sitting non input there mate!

You are clearly trying to draw me into a party politicial arguement in order to deflect this thread and continue on a "he said she said" politicial tangent and I will not rise to your bait.

Sorry!!!! :cool:

My name is URL · 22-05-2014 06:11PM

rosser44 wrote: »

Ya change ths subject when your argument fails, gonna threaten me with violence when you dont get your way too???

Wonder who that would be like..........:rolleyes:

What are you on about you absolute lunatic?

Banjo String · 22-05-2014 06:12PM

frostyjacks wrote: »

This is a law abiding citizen who has served his time. We shouldn't forget the past, but we shouldn't be shackled by it either.

Indeed. The IRA were encouraged to cease operations and engage the ballot box over the armalite.

This was brokered by the Nationslist/unionist politicians in the north along with the British Govt and the Irish Govt.

SF making huge gains (in Opinion polls) north and south, suddenly they aren't supposed to be engaged in politics.

Great. So we'll go back to how it was before, is that it?

Dan_Solo · 22-05-2014 06:13PM

rosser44 wrote: »

You are clearly trying to draw me into a party politicial arguement in order to deflect this thread and continue on a "he said she said" politicial tangent and I will not rise to your bait.

Sorry!!!! :cool:

LOL, moaning about drawing yourself into an argument! Swing voter by any chance? :-)

auldgranny · 22-05-2014 06:13PM

frostyjacks wrote: »

This is a law abiding citizen who has served his time. We shouldn't forget the past, but we shouldn't be shackled by it either.

This is a MURDERER who served his time. It is so easy for those unaffected by a crime to say let's move on. Some of these same people cannot move on from the smallest of injuries inflicted by others.

rosser44 · 22-05-2014 06:14PM

My name is URL wrote: »

What are you on about you absolute lunatic?

Just comparing his posting style to the modus opperandi of certain former illegal armed groups who have apparantly "gone away"

Fratton Fred · 22-05-2014 06:15PM

Banjo String wrote: »

Thread has become a train wreck (as I knew it would become)

Anyway, the IRA did apologise to all innocent victims in the during the troubles.

This is a well known fact.

An anonymous letter read out by someone who claims to have never been in the PIRA?

Call that an apology?

Balmed Out · 22-05-2014 06:16PM

Balmed Out wrote: »

I wont vote for Sinn Fein for the same reason I havent voted Fianna Fail, complete populist drivel. After where that led us in the past I cant understand how so many Fianna Fail voters can blindly try to make the same mistake again.

Santa Cruz wrote: »

Maybe you would be better off at home ironing your blueshirt. FG have nothing to be too proud of

Balmed Out wrote: »

WTF? Go home to your mammy or argue the point.
Do you think their not a populist party and that FF werent either? Im not a fan of any party in Irish politics they are all to some degree populist. I just think FF were the most populist and pretty much tried to please everyone to gain votes and the Sinn Fein are doing the exact same thing now.

Santa Cruz wrote: »

And FG try to be populist but their inner greed and love of the big farmers, commercial class prevents them being so. If FG has their way third level education, proper housing would be the reserve of their middle class supporters and no one else would get a look in. We have seen how they have hammered certain sectors in society while their own gang get rich.

I really dont know where youre going with this. Is youre point that yes Sinn Fein have taken the Fianna Fail crown as the populist party and you dont like Fianna Gael?

Dan_Solo · 22-05-2014 06:18PM

rosser44 wrote: »

Just comparing his posting style to the modus opperandi of certain former illegal armed groups who have apparantly "gone away"

You're comparing my posting style to a 30 year war of liberation / terrorist campaign?
Perspective issues much?

WilyCoyote · 22-05-2014 06:20PM

Phoebas wrote: »

We shouldn't shun murderers just because they havent murdered recently?

Guess the Free Staters never hurt anyone? Get your numbers and facts right.

WilyCoyote · 22-05-2014 06:21PM

kneemos wrote: »

Personally I wouldn't want psychotic killers or their leaders anywhere near Government.

Ditto as above

Reformed Character · 22-05-2014 06:22PM

Banjo String wrote: »

Thread has become a train wreck (as I knew it would become)

Anyway, the IRA did apologise to all innocent victims in the during the troubles.

This is a well known fact.

How did they define innocent?
Was Mountbatten innocent?
Why not just apologise to all victims?
Whatever about the IRA this piece of dogturd has repeatedly refused to apologise to the Maxwell family, or even to meet them, thus he has shown utter and sneering contempt for their suffering which he cold bloodedly chose to inflict.

rosser44 · 22-05-2014 06:25PM

rosser44 wrote: »

Nicely dodged, you could be a politician.

Now please answer my question, or do you refuse to?

It is a clear and concise question, it was either one or the other.

Can I get an answer from you please Happyman42???

Or are you afraid to answer a simple question???

PLease no more dodging and give me a straight answer

Nodin · 22-05-2014 06:26PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Ample evidence they were and none that they were not.

Well then, where is it?

auldgranny · 22-05-2014 06:27PM

upyores wrote: »

How did they define innocent?
Was Mountbatten innocent?
Why not just apologise to all victims?
Whatever about the IRA this piece of dogturd has repeatedly refused to apologise to the Maxwell family, or even to meet them, thus he has shown utter and sneering contempt for their suffering which he cold bloodedly chose to inflict.

I agree completly with this. His refusal to apologise to the Maxwell family makes him a scumbag.

frostyjacks · 22-05-2014 06:28PM

auldgranny wrote: »

This is a MURDERER who served his time. It is so easy for those unaffected by a crime to say let's move on. Some of these same people cannot move on from the smallest of injuries inflicted by others.

That's my point, we shouldn't let things that happened 40 years ago hold us back. I don't care what this guy did back in the day. So long as he's not doing it now is what matters.

auldgranny · 22-05-2014 06:31PM

frostyjacks wrote: »

That's my point, we shouldn't let things that happened 40 years ago hold us back. I don't care what this guy did back in the day. So long as he's not doing it now is what matters.

Or didn't do it to your family is my point. If you were a member of a family affected by violent crime you would think differently.

WilyCoyote · 22-05-2014 06:31PM

upyores wrote: »

How did they define innocent?
Was Mountbatten innocent?
Why not just apologise to all victims?
Whatever about the IRA this piece of dogturd has repeatedly refused to apologise to the Maxwell family, or even to meet them, thus he has shown utter and sneering contempt for their suffering which he cold bloodedly chose to inflict.

Bitter and twisted. You need to move on and shed the bile. It's not fair on yourself.
In your utopic state, let us know how to get a peaceful transition from being part of a colony to independence. So other nations that are going through it can take the bloodless route.

bumper234 · 22-05-2014 06:36PM

moxin wrote: »

You're very fond at being selective on condemning child killers.

11 yr old Francis Rowntree who was shot dead by a soldier, where is your concern that the BA has not even acknowledged his murder or there has been no prosecution? (story was in the news yesterday and linked earlier) http://www.u.tv/News/Soldier-could-be-prosecuted-over-boy-death/4ce8f4ea-060f-46d6-9ce4-dba402a51f8f

Feel free to start a thread on that and i will have no problem whatsoever condeming the scumbag that shot him. If you have any evidence of me condoning the murder of a child or in fact anyone else please post it otherwise please don't post idiotic ****e like you did above

Banjo String · 22-05-2014 06:37PM

upyores wrote: »

How did they define innocent?
Was Mountbatten innocent?
Why not just apologise to all victims?
Whatever about the IRA this piece of dogturd has repeatedly refused to apologise to the Maxwell family, or even to meet them, thus he has shown utter and sneering contempt for their suffering which he cold bloodedly chose to inflict.

As previously pointed out to you, it is absolutely unheard of that individual soldiers (whether you recognise him as one or not) apologise to victims of conflict on a one to one basis.

The IRA apologised to innocent people caught up in the conflict though, this would cover anyone caught up in the troubles from a civilian background with no connections to the conflict.

I do find it laughable though, the media didn't pick up on him canvassing for McGuinness in the presidential elections at the time though

Can I ask you, did you agree with the GFA, and the IRA (or any other paramilitary organisation) choosing to lay down their arms and adopt peaceful means to achieve its objectives?

I know (and I have immediate family members killed in the troubles) that I prefer how things are today.

slate them while their in the Provos, encourage them to go down the ballotbox route.

But then slate them again, only when it threatens the status quo.

Banjo String · 22-05-2014 06:54PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

An anonymous letter read out by someone who claims to have never been in the PIRA?

C'mon Fred, I usually enjoy debating with you. That's not how I recall the apology.

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Call that an apology?

Well it was welcomed and recognised by many including the British secretary of state (at the time) John Reid as :

"The statement which the IRA made this afternoon (Tuesday) is, I believe, a welcome acknowledgement of the grief and the loss which the organisation has caused over the years of pointless and tragic conflict for which they were responsible.

"I particularly welcome the fact that the statement includes an open apology to the families of many of those who died.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/2132193.stm

rosser44 · 22-05-2014 07:03PM

Paul Maxwell was on the boat earning some pocket money by showing the party the best spots to catch fish.

Now his father has told how his plea for a meeting with the only person convicted of the bombing, Tommy McMahon (61), was turned down.

Mr Maxwell told the Sunday Telegraph: “I’ve made two approaches to McMahon, the first through a priest who warned me in advance that he thought there wouldn’t be any positive response.

“And there wasn’t. I have some reservations about meeting him, obviously. It might work out in a way that I would regret having made the contact.

“McMahon knows the door is open at this end. I think I would like to ask if I had killed his son, for whatever reason, how would he feel about it?

“Would he be capable of putting himself in my shoes to look at it from my angle. I’d be interested to know how he would reply to that.”

it is absolutely unheard of that individual soldiers (whether you recognise him as one or not) apologise to victims of conflict on a one to one basis.

We are not talking about some massive international conflict with tens or hundreds of thousands of casualties, we are talking about a man who has directly ignored the relatives of those he murdered and refuses to give them any closure.

Surely this is not the kind of person who Sinn Fein want putting their views across to the public?? An unrepentant child murderer??

Banjo String · 22-05-2014 07:08PM

rosser44 wrote: »

We are not talking about some massive international conflict with tens or hundreds of thousands of casualties, we are talking about a man who has directly ignored the relatives of those he murdered and refuses to give them any closure.

Surely this is not the kind of person who Sinn Fein want putting their views across to the public?? An unrepentant child murderer??

I'm sure Mr Maxwell wouldn't want his sons death to be used by some as a political football either.

Anyway, I'll direct the question at you this time.

Did/do you support the terms of the GFA? Or would you prefer the conflict to to still be raging?

Reformed Character · 22-05-2014 07:09PM

WilyCoyote wrote: »

Bitter and twisted. You need to move on and shed the bile. It's not fair on yourself.
In your utopic state, let us know how to get a peaceful transition from being part of a colony to independence. So other nations that are going through it can take the bloodless route.

I will address your drivel as best I can.
My "Bile" as you call it is reserved for a subhuman piece of dirt that knowingly and cold bloodedly murdered two kids and refuses to show any remorse, or even meet the family of one of the kids despite their repeated requests.
Murdering two kids did not bring us one single step nearer a United Ireland, it was unjustified and unjustifiable.
I accept that as part of the peace deal prisoners on all sides were released, and I can even admire some like Patrick McGee who has genuinely tried to build bridges with some of the families that his bomb at the Grand Hotel in Brighton devastated.
I am not so naïve to believe that we can move forward without some price having to be paid, and I accept that price.
What I find repugnant is the crass insensitivity of SF in using this thing to canvass while he still smugly refuses to offer any solace to the Maxwell family, worse , I find repugnant Gerry Adams glowing endorsement of McMahon, which by extension is an endorsement of McMahons actions , including the murders of those children.

Convicted child killer canvassing for sinn fein[Mod warning-First Post]

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