Convicted child killer canvassing for sinn fein[Mod warning-First Post]

AlanG · 22-05-2014 12:09PM

Putin wrote: »

Since this thread involves the death of Mountbatten, ...... The deaths of civilians and children is always a terrible tragedy.

The thread is about two children not Mountbatten. He obviously doesn't think the death of the children was a tragedy or he would express some remorse.

Fratton Fred · 22-05-2014 12:09PM

FTA69 wrote: »

Most aspects of guerrilla warfare breach the Geneva Convention at some stage Fred. Mountbatten was killed because he was British royalty, a figurehead of both the British state and the British Army. The fact two children died in the operation was wrong.

I don't see any major benefit in recapping a pretty long and protracted conflict and singling out Thomas McMahon. As others have said, there was a long and bitter conflict in Ireland which has come to an end. I work with a number of ex-soliders in my union who served in Ireland and got up to God-knows-what in the 1970s; many of these are out today campaigning for Labour and other trade union activities. Should I tar the latter as a shower of bastards because of this?

Do you think that's beneficial?

If one of them was personally responsible for the death of four innocent nationalists, how would you feel?

Fratton Fred · 22-05-2014 12:11PM

Putin wrote: »

Since this thread involves the death of Mountbatten, I suggest you learn about Mountbatten's murky pass and try and figure out why he was assassinated. Because it is relevant. Mountbatten was the hated the world over. Again I refer you to do some research and see how much he was hated and despised, especially in Asia and the Indian subcontinent. The deaths of civilians and children is always a terrible tragedy. But what Brit Bot revisionists fail to accept is, Mountbatten's murder was welcomed by the oppressed the world over.

That is completely and utterly rediculous.

FTA69 · 22-05-2014 12:14PM

I'd work with them anyway. My own union has launched a community membership scheme aimed at bringing trade unionism to the unemployed and people like students and housewives etc. It's become very popular in the north of Ireland and is being driven largely by ex-prisoners from Loyalist groups. If I can sit down in a comradely fashion with former members of the f*cking UVF then others should also accept the fact that the conflict is over and ex-combatants will be a part of the political process at times.

If one of them was personally responsible for the death of four innocent nationalists, how would you feel?

Likewise I haven't a clue what they did. They could have killed children with plastic bullets, beat people half to death at roadblocks etc. I just don't know.

And I'm not trying to engage in whataboutery, just pointing out the futility of singling out McMahon out of thousands and thousands of people who participated in a conflict that ended nearly 20 years ago.

Happyman42 · 22-05-2014 12:23PM

FTA69 wrote: »

I'd work with them anyway.

As have I. With people with 'pasts' on both sides of the divide in the conflict.
And many others are doing and seeking to do the same while others want to sit smugly on the high moral ground and selectively condemn.

Which attitude will bring around a lasting peace on this island I wonder.

Perhaps the Indo might know?

Putin · 22-05-2014 12:25PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

That is completely and utterly rediculous.

What is? That you are in total denial about Mountbatten's digestible legacy and why he was hated in many countries his empire oppressed? Yes that is ridiculous, or maybe just ignorant? But since you are always the lead Brit Bot apologist here, I'm going for the former.

Spring Onion · 22-05-2014 12:27PM

Happyman42 wrote: »

The election manager obviously has no problem with it. What point are you trying to make?

I am trying to figure out if Sinn Fein supporters agree. My question was, if you were the election manager, would you allow it?

I myself am not a SF supporter but if I was the SF election manager, I would not allow it on the basis that it would cause more harm than good.

Beano · 22-05-2014 12:30PM

Putin wrote: »

What is? That you are in total denial about Mountbatten's digestible legacy and why he was hated in many countries his empire oppressed? Yes that is ridiculous, or maybe just ignorant? But since you are always the lead Brit Bot apologist here, I'm going for the former.

Everything is really so black and white to you isnt it? If people dont support the IRA they must be supporters of the british government. Do you not think it is possible for somebody to anti-IRA and also be opposed to the awful **** that the british government has perpetrated over the years?

Beano · 22-05-2014 12:31PM

Putin wrote: »

What is? That you are in total denial about Mountbatten's digestible legacy and why he was hated in many countries his empire oppressed? Yes that is ridiculous, or maybe just ignorant? But since you are always the lead Brit Bot apologist here, I'm going for the former.

I hope you meant detestable. i really do.

humanji · 22-05-2014 12:31PM

Putin wrote: »

What is? That you are in total denial about Mountbatten's digestible legacy and why he was hated in many countries his empire oppressed? Yes that is ridiculous, or maybe just ignorant? But since you are always the lead Brit Bot apologist here, I'm going for the former.

Just like "Shinnerbot", "Brit Bot" is a childish insult at people and not acceptable. Cut it out.

Fratton Fred · 22-05-2014 12:32PM

Putin wrote: »

What is? That you are in total denial about Mountbatten's digestible legacy and why he was hated in many countries his empire oppressed? Yes that is ridiculous, or maybe just ignorant? But since you are always the lead Brit Bot apologist here, I'm going for the former.

You have a very appropriate user name.

Thundercats Ho · 22-05-2014 12:36PM

Beano wrote: »

Everything is really so black and white to you isnt it? If people dont support the IRA they must be supporters of the british government. Do you not think it is possible for somebody to anti-IRA and also be opposed to the awful **** that the british government has perpetrated over the years?

By that logic (everything being black and white and all), someone who votes SF wouldn't condemn the killing of those 2 innocent children.

There's plenty of middle ground, and whether the electorate in that constituency are able to get past the above, well, we'll find that out on Saturday afternoon.

Edit: Just copped you were making A point, not your own!

martingriff · 22-05-2014 12:37PM

Banjo String wrote: »

Lord Mountbattens family have their fair share of innocent children's blood on their hands also, lest we forget.

The Irish people overwhelmingly voted to forget the past, as did the unionist community. Didn't the queen welcome the Irish with open arms (including McGuinness) only a matter of weeks ago?

Shameful the Indo don't accept the outcome of the GFA.

Time to move on.

No they did not. They voted to move forward and try to live together that does not mean you can forget everything that happen and leave in it the past regardless e.g the dissapeared, Jean McConville, The Omagh Bombing, Dublin Monaghan Bombinging etc.

the_monkey · 22-05-2014 12:38PM

Big Nasty wrote: »

Look at their economic policies ffs! No austerity, no water charges, no property tax, etc. Where do they propose the government get the money needed to run the country and pay back our debts?

Also the main reason they're doing well is their badly thought out policies appeal to the red top readers as does their tiofchaidh ar la idealism.

Thick cvnts! :mad:

Exactly, their demography is the typical working class "im entitled to everything for free" layabout.

Nodin · 22-05-2014 12:39PM

the_monkey wrote: »

Exactly, their demography is the typical working class "im entitled to everything for free" layabout.

Lovely stuff. Anymore sweeping insights?

Reformed Character · 22-05-2014 12:39PM

Happyman42 wrote: »

How many former IRA combatants do you think now work for SF and the peace process?

Editorial decision making in the Indo office:

Editor; How can we get at SF's growing support?

'Journalist' (ha!); What about we expose that they have a former CHILD KILLER working for them?

Editor; You are a genius....hold the front page for the gullible!

Fixed that post for you.

.jacksparrow. · 22-05-2014 12:41PM

Not good for Sinn Fein at all!

Is there not meant to be a media blackout 24 hours before voting starts?

moxin · 22-05-2014 12:43PM

the_monkey wrote: »

Exactly, their demography is the typical working class "im entitled to everything for free" layabout.

Here's snobbery against the working class at its finest.

But hey lets not mention the rich bankers and developers who have had their entitlements enriched by bankrupting the country.

newport2 · 22-05-2014 12:44PM

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Not good for Sinn Fein at all!

Is there not meant to be a media blackout 24 hours before voting starts?

Starts at 2pm today

Yamanoto · 22-05-2014 12:47PM

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Not good for Sinn Fein at all!

Is there not meant to be a media blackout 24 hours before voting starts?

Moratorium doesn't apply to print media

Banjo String · 22-05-2014 12:48PM

the_monkey wrote: »

Exactly, their demography is the typical working class "im entitled to everything for free" layabout.

What an utterly stupid post.

You realise SF are the majority nationalist party in the north. Right?

My name is URL · 22-05-2014 12:49PM

the_monkey wrote: »

Exactly, their demography is the typical working class "im entitled to everything for free" layabout.

'demography'

lol

Kermit.de.frog · 22-05-2014 12:54PM

Originally Posted by Happyman42 View Post

How many former IRA combatants

I love this language from Sinn Féin. It's so demented and simply untrue. Let's call them what they were - drug dealing, knee capping, murderous and psychotic criminals.

Some still in business today.

Barely There · 22-05-2014 12:55PM

Banjo String wrote: »

What an utterly stupid post.

You realise SF are the majority nationalist party in the north. Right?

A sizable percentage of the Shinner support find it too difficult to get off their barstool and waddle down to their local polling station.
There's always been a big gap in Opinion Poll support and actual votes.

A part of blowhards, economic illiterates and child-murder apologists.

Nodin · 22-05-2014 12:55PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I love this language from Sinn Féin. It's so demented and simply untrue. Let's call them what they were - drug dealing, knee capping, murderous and psychotic criminals.

Some still in business today.

Evidence?

newport2 · 22-05-2014 12:56PM

Banjo String wrote: »

You realise SF are the majority nationalist party in the north. Right?

Their policies in the north are very different to those they're peddling in the south.

Nodin · 22-05-2014 12:56PM

Barely There wrote: »

A sizable percentage of the Shinner support find it too difficult to get off their barstool and waddle down to their local polling station.
There's always been a big gap in Opinion Poll support and actual votes.

A part of blowhards, economic illiterates and child-murder apologists.

Terrified they'll be in some time in the next ten years then?

Spring Onion · 22-05-2014 12:57PM

I actually thought Carthy was a bright young fellow (even if he was expecting some kind of economic magic tree) until I read about this canvasser. Poor decision making.

Grayson · 22-05-2014 12:58PM

The main argument in support of this guy and Adams seems to be some or all of the following

1) Long time ago. get over it.
2) people do **** in war. get over it.
3) You love the British. get over it.

Here's how I feel about it. The guy blew up two children. It might have been a "war" but since when did it become acceptable to kill children? Is there some line these guys never crossed that wouldn't be acceptable? What if he'd raped English royal children? Would people be saying get over it?

McMahon deliberately killed two children, one irish and one english. He's refused to even speak to their parents. He's scum.

Killing children is wrong. It's wrong at any time. It's wrong for any reason. Anyone who does it is despicable scum. Anyone who excuses them is scum.

Kermit.de.frog · 22-05-2014 12:59PM

Is Gerry still good mates with his comrade Castro? And this is the fella the shinners want to sort out our finances?

Convicted child killer canvassing for sinn fein[Mod warning-First Post]

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