Convicted child killer canvassing for sinn fein[Mod warning-First Post]

Happyman42 · 22-05-2014 11:27AM

Beano wrote: »

So being disgusted about the killing of children is being hysterical now? And its not as long past as you would hope. Certainly not to John Maxwell. You obviously like to downplay premeditated child murder as "it aint no thang" as some of our american cousins like to say.

Please! Your hysterical ranting that I am 'downplaying' anything is just stupid.
The point is that, you, like all the other gullible readers of the Indo, (which has a track record in this kind of insidious and sinister 'journalism'), are being played for reactionary mugs on the eve of an election that will see SF make serious gains.
In exactly the same way as FG will 'play' it's wavering support by having a morally upstanding Alan Shatter deliver his speech (about giving back his fee for being sacked) from the plinth at Dail Eireann just in time for the 6 One news.

McMahon has been helping out with electioneering at many elections, being particularly active during McGuinness's presidential campaign. But only now the intrepid 'journalists' at the Indo are 'exposing' what anybody with any sense knew already.
There is only a story here for the hysterically prone.

LuckyLloyd · 22-05-2014 11:28AM

Alias G wrote: »

The indo really are pushing their anti sinn fein agenda a bit much at this stage. People can see right through it. Won't be voting for the shinners myself, but nearly tempted to in response to the shameless bias of the indo dragging up any old story with which to bash them. We've been in a peace process for 20 years FFS.

Some people don't want peace because, after all, they have crystallised the conflict as something that happened in another country to people other than themselves.

Not long after Section 31 was allowed to expire in the aftermath of the IRA Ceasefire Adams was allowed on the Late Late. Gay Byrne lined up a panel of six male political opponents to face him and refused to sit beside Adams for long stretches of the show. People in the South wanted to sit upon a moral high horse and keep Sinn Feinn out of Irish politics more than they wanted a fully inclusive peace, truth and reconcilliation process.

The Independent carries on that tradition as best it can and appeals to middle class voters of the traditional parties. Thankfully, as the Independent declines as a relevant newspaper so does the prevalance of the close minded moralisers.

Beano · 22-05-2014 11:31AM

Banjo String wrote: »

I suggest you read up on the scale of the troubles before bloody Sunday, and how they escalated afterwards.

The Prince of Wales being the Colonel-in-Chief of the parachute regiment just might have made lord Mountbatten a target.

See above ^^^

Charles wasn't Colonel-in-Chief of the parachute regiment in 1972. You are trying to make a link that just isn't there. The simple fact is he was killed because he was an easy target. The type of target favoured by cowards.

SafeSurfer · 22-05-2014 11:33AM

The truth is that all the main Irish parties have sprung from violence and have blood on their hands. Whether it be those responsible for the Ballyseedy Massacre who later become leading members of Fine Gael to the murder of Kevin O' Higgins by future Fianna Fail members, violence has been at the core of Irish political parties.

That a stable democracy emerged from the civil war, with so little recriminations is remarkable. The civil war in Ireland is still all but forgotten. For long taboo and now seen by many as irrelevant.

What we should learn from that era is that there comes a time to move on. It may be unpalatable but it is essential. If Sean Lemass could calmly debate with members of Fine Gael who had murdered his brother Noel before burying him in the Dublin mountains. And Thomas O' Higgins could debate across the chamber with Fianna Fail TDs complicit in the murder of his father and brother then Irish society has to leave bitterness behind and move on.

If unionists in the north are being asked to have convicted terrorists involved in their government then we should look to the future on this side of the border as well.

stimpson · 22-05-2014 11:34AM

For years we've been told that the only alternative to blowing each other to bits was the political process.

Ex-IRA bomber get's involved by canvassing and people are in hysterics. Would you all prefer he goes back to blowing people up?

Fratton Fred · 22-05-2014 11:34AM

Banjo String wrote: »

The Prince of Wales being the Colonel-in-Chief of the parachute regiment just might have made lord Mountbatten a target.

See above ^^^

As much as I'm sure you'd like to believe this, the simple fact is that the PIRA killed him because they could.

After they realised it was another **** up, they came up with various excuses, like India, bloody Sunday etc. But they were just that, excuses for the needless, pointless murder of innocent people.

Beano · 22-05-2014 11:35AM

Putin wrote: »

Speaking of history lessons, do you have any idea why Sinn Fein even exist? Because I'm guessing you haven't clue, so off you go and do some homework. But here's a tip, look under the chapter - The British Empire and it's deplorable record in Ireland. Very ironic to find a Brit apologist/revisionist speaking of cowards. Considering the many cowards in the British army and their cowardly service record during the Troubles. Mountbatten was not only a hated figure in Ireland, but also in Asia and in particular in India. Of course the revisionist Brit bots here probably haven't even a clue about what I'm referring to.

I am quite well versed in history thank you. So being Anti-IRA means i must be pro-brit does it? This is a thread about the actions of one man. If you want to start a thread about the injustices committed by the british during the troubles please go ahead. They are not relevant here.

Fratton Fred · 22-05-2014 11:36AM

stimpson wrote: »

For years we've been told that the only alternative to blowing each other to bits was the political process.

Ex-IRA bomber get's involved by canvassing and people are in hysterics. Would you all prefer he goes back to blowing people up?

I'm pretty sure most people would prefer he just kept his head down and showed some sort of remorse for what he has done.

Happyman42 · 22-05-2014 11:37AM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

The truth is that all the main Irish parties have sprung from violence and have blood on their hands. Whether it be those responsible for the Ballyseedy Massacre who later become leading members of Fine Gael to the murder of Kevin O' Higgins by future Fianna Fail members, violence has been at the core of Irish political parties.

That a stable democracy emerged from the civil war, with so little recriminations is remarkable. The civil war in Ireland is still all but forgotten. For long taboo and now seen by many as irrelevant.

What we should learn from that era is that there comes a time to move on. It may be unpalatable but it is essential. If Sean Lemass could calmly debate with members of Fine Gael who had murdered his brother Noel before burying him in the Dublin mountains. And Thomas O' Higgins could debate across the chamber with Fianna Fail TDs complicit in the murder of his father and brother then Irish society has to leave bitterness behind and move on.

If unionists in the north are being asked to have convicted terrorists involved in their government then we should look to the future on this side of the border as well.

Not going to happen as long as mugs are reading the Indo without critical thought...what generations subsequent to the Civil War have proved is that the ability to think for yourself can be taken away and usurped.

Beano · 22-05-2014 11:37AM

Happyman42 wrote: »

Please! Your hysterical ranting that I am 'downplaying' anything is just stupid.
The point is that, you, like all the other gullible readers of the Indo, (which has a track record in this kind of insidious and sinister 'journalism'), are being played for reactionary mugs on the eve of an election that will see SF make serious gains.
In exactly the same way as FG will 'play' it's wavering support by having a morally upstanding Alan Shatter deliver his speech (about giving back his fee for being sacked) from the plinth at Dail Eireann just in time for the 6 One news.

McMahon has been helping out with electioneering at many elections, being particularly active during McGuinness's presidential campaign. But only now the intrepid 'journalists' at the Indo are 'exposing' what anybody with any sense knew already.

I dont read the indo. I'm northside dublin and working class. why the f*ck would i read a rag like the indo. that doesnt make their story any less true though.

Happyman42 wrote: »

There is only a story here for the hysterically prone.

Would it help if i was hysterical while standing up?

Beano · 22-05-2014 11:38AM

Happyman42 wrote: »

Not going to happen as long as mugs are reading the Indo without critical thought...what generations subsequent to the Civil War have proved is that the ability to think for yourself can be taken away and usurped.

A shinner talking about critical thought? Has this turned into a parody thread?

Spring Onion · 22-05-2014 11:39AM

So Sinn Fein supporters. Simple Yes or No question (and please be truthful)
If you were election manager, would you allow this man to canvass for Sinn Féin or not? In other words, do you think it's a good idea?

stimpson · 22-05-2014 11:39AM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I'm pretty sure most people would prefer he just kept his head down and showed some sort of remorse for what he has done.

Yeah, well we don't live in an ideal world. As long as people are talking and not bombing, then maybe we can all start to move on.

SafeSurfer · 22-05-2014 11:40AM

Putin wrote: »

Speaking of history lessons, do you have any idea why Sinn Fein even exist? Because I'm guessing you haven't clue, so off you go and do some homework. But here's a tip, look under the chapter - The British Empire and it's deplorable record in Ireland. Very ironic to find a Brit apologist/revisionist speaking of cowards. Considering the many cowards in the British army and their cowardly service record during the Troubles. Mountbatten was not only a hated figure in Ireland, but also in Asia and in particular in India. Of course the revisionist Brit bots here probably haven't even a clue about what I'm referring to.

I think if we are going to take a look at the history books we should at least take an honest look. The largest contingent of British troops in India and those responsible for some of the worst atrocities were Irish. Mountbatten was very well liked in Mullaghmore and in the northwest generally, that is a fact.

Yamanoto · 22-05-2014 11:40AM

c_man wrote: »

The Indo continuing their anti-Shinner crusade.

And?

Seriously, the way some Sinn Fein lackeys are bleating on about this, you'd swear the Irish Independent was breaking new ground in adopting an unashamedly partisan editorial stance in the run up to an election.

FTA69 · 22-05-2014 11:41AM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

A combatent, who committed a blatent war crime then?

Most aspects of guerrilla warfare breach the Geneva Convention at some stage Fred. Mountbatten was killed because he was British royalty, a figurehead of both the British state and the British Army. The fact two children died in the operation was wrong.

I don't see any major benefit in recapping a pretty long and protracted conflict and singling out Thomas McMahon. As others have said, there was a long and bitter conflict in Ireland which has come to an end. I work with a number of ex-soliders in my union who served in Ireland and got up to God-knows-what in the 1970s; many of these are out today campaigning for Labour and other trade union activities. Should I tar the latter as a shower of bastards because of this?

Do you think that's beneficial?

Happyman42 · 22-05-2014 11:41AM

Beano wrote: »

A shinner talking about critical thought? Has this turned into a parody thread?

I am not a 'shinner'.
Keep up with the hysteria though.

LuckyLloyd · 22-05-2014 11:42AM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

The truth is that all the main Irish parties have sprung from violence and have blood on their hands. Whether it be those responsible for the Ballyseedy Massacre who later become leading members of Fine Gael to the murder of Kevin O' Higgins by future Fianna Fail members, violence has been at the core of Irish political parties.

That a stable democracy emerged from the civil war, with so little recriminations is remarkable. The civil war in Ireland is still all but forgotten. For long taboo and now seen by many as irrelevant.

What we should learn from that era is that there comes a time to move on. It may be unpalatable but it is essential. If Sean Lemass could calmly debate with members of Fine Gael who had murdered his brother Noel before burying him in the Dublin mountains. And Thomas O' Higgins could debate across the chamber with Fianna Fail TDs complicit in the murder of his father and brother then Irish society has to leave bitterness behind and move on.

If unionists in the north are being asked to have convicted terrorists involved in their government then we should look to the future on this side of the border as well.

Brilliant post sir.

Banjo String · 22-05-2014 11:46AM

Beano wrote: »

Charles wasn't Colonel-in-Chief of the parachute regiment in 1972. You are trying to make a link that just isn't there.

"Charles" know him personally do ya

?

Mountbattens assassination took place in 1979. He was Colonel-in-Chief for over two years at that stage.

There was indeed a link.

10000maniacs · 22-05-2014 11:46AM

Phoebas wrote: »

Were talking here about an individual with blood on his hands

Ok.:)
lets get down to brass tacks.
Michael Collins had blood on his hands. (Executed defenceless people with a shot to the head. You can argue that this was cowardly)
Eamonn De Valera had blood on his hands.
William Cosgrave had blood on his hands.
Arthur Griffith had blood on his hands.
And so on and so on.
Every member of Cumann na nGaedheal had blood on their hands directly or indirectly. A lot of cowardly pathetic acts it could be argued. Ok it won us freedom.

No point in raking up the past. Move on with the future.

LuckyLloyd · 22-05-2014 11:46AM

Yamanoto wrote: »

And?

Seriously, the way some Sinn Fein lackeys are bleating on about this, you'd swear the Irish Independent was breaking new ground in adopting an unashamedly partisan editorial stance in the run up to an election.

It's important to note same though, as unfortunately many people are unable to identify media partisanship when it comes to politics.

Beano · 22-05-2014 11:50AM

Happyman42 wrote: »

I am not a 'shinner'.
Keep up with the hysteria though.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Putin · 22-05-2014 11:51AM

Beano wrote: »

I am quite well versed in history thank you.

For some reason, maybe based on what you've said so far, I really doubt that.

Beano wrote: »

So being Anti-IRA means i must be pro-brit does it? This is a thread about the actions of one man. If you want to start a thread about the injustices committed by the british during the troubles please go ahead. They are not relevant here.

Since this thread involves the death of Mountbatten, I suggest you learn about Mountbatten's murky pass and try and figure out why he was assassinated. Because it is relevant. Mountbatten was the hated the world over. Again I refer you to do some research and see how much he was hated and despised, especially in Asia and the Indian subcontinent. The deaths of civilians and children is always a terrible tragedy. But what Brit Bot revisionists fail to accept is, Mountbatten's murder was welcomed by the oppressed the world over.

Beano · 22-05-2014 11:52AM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

It's important to note same though, as unfortunately many people are unable to identify media partisanship when it comes to politics.

Most people read the media they do BECAUSE of the partisanship it shows e.g. readers of An Phoblacht.

Kermit.de.frog · 22-05-2014 11:52AM

Tazz T wrote: »

Maybe that money will come from you. Are you a bondholder?

The last refuge of the scoundrel talking about things they know sweet f all about. Sinn Féin supporters do this all the time. Bondholders this, bondholders that - they don't have a clue about any of this or how it works.

And I really couldn't be bothered trying to talk sense to them because there comes a point where you just don't have the will anymore.

trancemuzic · 22-05-2014 11:52AM

Big Nasty wrote: »

The Ra are fvckin scumbags and the Shinners are nothing but the political wing of the Ra. A political wing at that with not a fvcking clue! :mad:

Yea because the other crowds have done such a great job with our country haven't they ?

All this anti SF bull**** is bollox of the highest order .

FF FG LB and the rest of the other ****ty parties have ruined this country ,brought it to its knees, it is those parties who have sold this country out , bent over and taken it up the ass by Europe , it is those dinosours who haven't a fvcking clue.

It really boils my blood when i hear members of these traitors parties shout down SF members and laughing their faces , trying to scare people away from voting for them saying their policies wont work ect . Its two facedness of these parties that makes me sick .

Beano · 22-05-2014 11:57AM

Putin wrote: »

For some reason, maybe based on what you've said so far, I really doubt that.

your doubts are your own concern.

Putin wrote: »

Since this thread involves the death of Mountbatten, I suggest you learn about Mountbatten's murky pass and try and figure out why he was assassinated. Because it is relevant. Mountbatten was the hated the world over. Again I refer you to do some research and see how much he was hated and despised, especially in Asia and the Indian subcontinent. The deaths of civilians and children is always a terrible tragedy. But what Brit Bot revisionists fail to accept is, Mountbatten's murder was welcomed by the oppressed the world over.

And that justifies murdering him alongside 2 children and an old lady?

And do you honestly think the "oppressed" (who must surely include those oppressed by the marxist cousins of Sinn Fein) give a flying fiddlers about the death of an old man who had no bearing on their lives? The indian subcontinent you refer to has been independent since 1949. Have the lives of the oppressed improved considerably since then? I think you'll find they havent. Not that this is in any way relevant to his murder.

Spring Onion · 22-05-2014 11:57AM

Spring Onion wrote: »

So Sinn Fein supporters. Simple Yes or No question (and please be truthful)
If you were election manager, would you allow this man to canvass for Sinn Féin or not? In other words, do you think it's a good idea?

Anyone?

AlanG · 22-05-2014 12:06PM

Big Nasty wrote: »

Look at their economic policies ffs! No austerity, no water charges, no property tax, etc. Where do they propose the government get the money needed to run the country and pay back our debts?

They will borrow it from global markets at really high rates- SF policies would make a fortune for global banks and bondholders - the very people they claim to be fighting.
It would be like punishing a shopkeeper who ripped you off by buying everything in their shop at twice the normal price"

Happyman42 · 22-05-2014 12:07PM

Spring Onion wrote: »

Anyone?

The election manager obviously has no problem with it. What point are you trying to make?

Convicted child killer canvassing for sinn fein[Mod warning-First Post]

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