The Pro Austerity Crowd

Bubbaclaus · 20-05-2014 05:15PM

woahwoahwoah wrote: »

So you think pay should be brought back to more acceptable levels then also?

Dole is set by the government, not by market equilibriums.

Pay is the private sector is set by how much the company feels that person is worth. It's a supply and demand situation. In theory, there is no such thing as an overpaid person in the private sector...everybody is paid what the company feels they are worth to them.

tayto lover · 20-05-2014 05:15PM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

You'd feel sorry for the people that worked hard their whole lives to be where they are today. Worked hard at school and then worked their way up a company to a high up position with a great salary, only for people that have coasted through life not really trying crying out to "TAX THEM MORE, THEY DON'T DESERVE IT THE OVERPAID BASTARDS!!!!"

That's whats happening to pensioners already.

RecordStraight · 20-05-2014 05:15PM

woahwoahwoah wrote: »

One or the other. I'm pro austerity for those who can afford it, while you are pro austerity for those who can't.

You are pro taking more cash from those who already pay for the overwhelming majority of our benefits and public services.

woahwoahwoah · 20-05-2014 05:15PM

RecordStraight wrote: »

Because they are not not working hard enough.

You think everyone on the dole is a scrounger who never worked a day in their lives, I've already told you there's less than 10,000 of them. You're looking down your nose at people who have fallen on tough times and you want to make them suffer more. It's disgusting.

beardy_mcgrath · 20-05-2014 05:17PM

tayto lover wrote: »

That's whats happening to pensioners already.

Pensioners have been completely shielded from the recession

Bubbaclaus · 20-05-2014 05:17PM

You know the Irish education system needs radical reform when grown adults think it is the hard working section of society that are the "scourge on our society"

woahwoahwoah · 20-05-2014 05:17PM

RecordStraight wrote: »

Why do you have such a nasty attitude to people who are talented and work hard?

Why do you want to drag them down?

You know what a brain drain is, right?

I don't, they can afford to pay more so they should.

They will still have very healthy earnings.

Oh no the brain drain.

Why wont you answer my questions?

RecordStraight · 20-05-2014 05:17PM

woahwoahwoah wrote: »

You think everyone on the dole is a scrounger who never worked a day in their lives, I've already told you there's less than 10,000 of them. You're looking down your nose at people who have fallen on tough times and you want to make them suffer more. It's disgusting.

Oh right, there are only 10,000 people who never worked a day in their lives. That's fine then.

Here are some stats about who pays for everything in this country:

And now, to reveal the answers, with some interesting facts about Ireland’s income tax system along the way:
Ireland’s top 0.5% of earners, the 11,714 people who earned more than €275,000 in a year, paid almost 18% of all income tax, over €2bn in total. Their average tax rate was 27.5%.
Almost 770,000 people earned less than €17,000. Understandably, given tax credits, these workers paid a tiny amount of tax, €20m in total. Their average tax rate was about 0.5%.
It’s in the middle, though, where things seem to go all screwy. The median earner, earning about €25,000, paid just 4% in income tax! As I argued before, we seem to have got ourselves into a situation where the typical Irish worker pays hardly any income tax and yet seems to think they are heavily taxed.
So, to go back to the quiz above, the answers are:
Option 4 – the average millionaire pays six times the income tax rate of the average worker. There’s one thing the system ain’t and that’s regressive!
Option 5 – amazingly, two thirds of the 2.2m people paying income tax in Ireland paid an average rate of less than 10%.
Option 1 – as per above, the median earner pays about 4% in income tax in Ireland, compared to 20% in the OECD.

bumper234 · 20-05-2014 05:18PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Are those people more important than the nurses, teachers, gardai, firemen, army etc who have had their pay slashed?

Did i say they were? I'm saying if you start super taxing people on 80k (that's really not a huge salary btw) then you will have a massive exodus of highly skilled people from the country

Elmo · 20-05-2014 05:18PM

I love the pro-Austerity crowd, they give big bonuses and reduce holidays all at the same time. Woooooooooooooooo Whooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

RecordStraight · 20-05-2014 05:19PM

woahwoahwoah wrote: »

I don't, they can afford to pay more so they should.

They will still have very healthy earnings.

Oh no the brain drain.

Why wont you answer my questions?

You won't answer the most basic questions. "A fair system" - LOL

When you provide answers you can expect to get some.

woahwoahwoah · 20-05-2014 05:20PM

mickydoomsux wrote: »

How do you know this?

Where are you getting this "fact"?

I know FG supporters think all those on social welfare are dirt but some have become unemployed recently and need support.

woahwoahwoah · 20-05-2014 05:20PM

bumper234 wrote: »

You want things to be equal right? If one group has to take a hit then so does the other, that's what equality and fairness is about.

You take a hit on what you can afford, that's fair.

bumper234 · 20-05-2014 05:21PM

woahwoahwoah wrote: »

I don't, they can afford to pay more so they should.

They will still have very healthy earnings.

Oh no the brain drain.

Why wont you answer my questions?

It's almost like Ryan finished for the day and this guy has taken over for the night shift :rolleyes:

woahwoahwoah · 20-05-2014 05:21PM

RecordStraight wrote: »

Yeah, the hard working and talented are a real scourge.

What we need is more lazy people and more people without talent, who take more out of the system than they put in.

So those earning below 80k are lazy and without talent?

RecordStraight · 20-05-2014 05:21PM

woahwoahwoah wrote: »

I know FG supporters think all those on social welfare are dirt but some have become unemployed recently and need support.

I know all socialists believe that anyone on more than 40k is bourgeoisie scum and needs to be executed come the revolution, but some people worked very hard to earn their qualifications and get their jobs.

woahwoahwoah · 20-05-2014 05:22PM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

I'm not a FG supporter. I've never voted for them. I vote for the person I feel is best in my area, their affiliation doesn't concern me. In fact, thinking back, in the last 3 elections I've voted for members of 3 different parties.

Whichever person promises to attack the low earners I'm sure.

mickydoomsux · 20-05-2014 05:23PM

woahwoahwoah wrote: »

I know FG supporters think all those on social welfare are dirt but some have become unemployed recently and need support.

What has that got to do with my post.

Your childish flailing is becoming pathetic. Are you just working your way through the bullet points on a People Before Profit leaflet?

tayto lover · 20-05-2014 05:23PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Did i say they were? I'm saying if you start super taxing people on 80k (that's really not a huge salary btw) then you will have a massive exodus of highly skilled people from the country

So you have no problem with all the nurses, teachers, junior doctors etc who have already left?

I would rate a nurse, teacher and doctor as highly skilled.

woahwoahwoah · 20-05-2014 05:23PM

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Are you literally a child?

It's either that or you're trolling.

You've stated you're happy to see people become homeless or live on the breadline if it means higher earners don't have to pay. Is it you who's trolling?

RecordStraight · 20-05-2014 05:23PM

woahwoahwoah wrote: »

So those earning below 80k are lazy and without talent?

80k seems to be your cut off. But yes, those earning less are - on average - likely to be less talented or work less hard.

Do you think people are assigned jobs by some sort of random lottery? "Oh sh!t, I drew McDonalds". "Never mind, I drew 'brain surgeon', I'll buy you a pint."

woahwoahwoah · 20-05-2014 05:25PM

RecordStraight wrote: »

Acceptable to who? The envious?

You said social welfare should be cut back to similar levels in other developed countries, don't you think saleries should be cut back in a similar fashion?

tayto lover · 20-05-2014 05:25PM

beardy_mcgrath wrote: »

Pensioners have been completely shielded from the recession

Property taxes, HHC, Water tax, medical cards withdrawn, fuel rises, prescription charges etc etc. Of course they are effected.

bumper234 · 20-05-2014 05:26PM

woahwoahwoah wrote: »

You take a hit on what you can afford, that's fair.

As has been said already, the dole is too high here so let's bring it down. 5% tax hike for high earners will make a few million for the excequer 5% cut to the dole.would save the country hundreds of millions.

RecordStraight · 20-05-2014 05:26PM

woahwoahwoah wrote: »

You said social welfare should be cut back to similar levels in other developed countries, don't you think saleries should be cut back in a similar fashion?

This really is hilarious. So you are pro-austerity now? Get your story straight, man. (by the way, I never mentioned SW cuts)

Bubbaclaus · 20-05-2014 05:26PM

woahwoahwoah wrote: »

Whichever person promises to attack the low earners I'm sure.

My current gross salary is currently €24,000 a year.

I'm starting at the bottom and I'm going to work my butt off the next 10 years to ensure I'm near the top.

So now you claim I vote for people that attacks me? I'll give you another go there.

RecordStraight · 20-05-2014 05:27PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Property taxes, HHC, Water tax, medical cards withdrawn, fuel rises, prescription charges etc etc. Of course they are effected.

They have had medical cards withdrawn? There were nearly riots when it was suggested that rich pensioners should have to pay their own medical fees like the rest of us.

Elmo · 20-05-2014 05:27PM

RecordStraight wrote: »

80k seems to be your cut off. But yes, those earning less are - on average - likely to be less talented or work less hard.

Do you think people are assigned jobs by some sort of random lottery? "Oh sh!t, I drew McDonalds". "Never mind, I drew 'brain surgeon', I'll buy you a pint."

Problem is that there are more people earning good money that clearly don't deserve to get that money.

Take Christoph Mueller I am sure he is hard working but he can't take all the credit for turning Aer Lingus around. Staff also contribute to those changes. Will he do an interview explaining his wage?

RecordStraight · 20-05-2014 05:28PM

Elmo wrote: »

Problem is that there are more people earning good money that clearly don't deserve to get that money.

Take Christoph Mueller I am sure he is hard working but he can't take all the credit for turning Aer Lingus around. Staff also contribute to those changes. Will he do an interview explaining his wage?

So everyone earning a good salary needs to take a hit because one private company pays the chief exec more than you (and I) think he is worth?

tayto lover · 20-05-2014 05:29PM

bumper234 wrote: »

As has been said already, the dole is too high here so let's bring it down. 5% tax hike for high earners will make a few million for the excequer 5% cut to the dole.would save the country hundreds of millions.

So your answer is to cut the people who are struggling and leave the big earners alone. Wonderful.

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