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The Pro Austerity Crowd

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  • #512
    ryan101
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭ryan101


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    Ryan, you appear to have missed these two posts addressed to you.

    Either austerity is for everyone as we're told or it is not, which is it ?
    Can you point out where I claimed they should be detained at airports or such like ?


  • #513
    ryan101
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭ryan101


    beardy_mcgrath wrote: »
    ive a sore head from going round in circles

    You mean avoiding the question.


  • #514
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    ryan101 wrote: »
    I'd like you to find where I claimed that. I suppose if you're stuck you can always move onto pretending what I said.

    Well seeing as you consistantly refuse to.answer questions and continue to.spout the same ****e " Austerity should be for everybody so why no austerity for the rich blah blah blah" people have to eventually guess what it is you mean. Answer the questions posed to you and then people won't have to guess what you mean.


  • #515
    ryan101
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭ryan101


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Well seeing as you consistantly refuse to.answer questions and continue to.spout the same ****e " Austerity should be for everybody so why no austerity for the rich blah blah blah" people have to eventually guess what it is you mean. Answer the questions posed to you and then people won't have to guess what you mean.

    Remind me who you were again, oh yes the guy caught telling lies . . . your posts have great creditability now, lol

    Look up the word austerity in the dictionary and answer the question.


  • #516
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,460 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    ryan101 how much wealth do you want to be taken off the richest in the country?

    Please explain what you actually want to happen.

    Do you want to government to show up at the door and ask for 50% of their wealth nicely?

    Please explain what you actually want to happen.

    Do you want the wealthy to be put on the breadline?

    Please explain what you actually want to happen.


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  • #517
    Ray Palmer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    ryan101 wrote: »
    Either austerity is for everyone as we're told or it is not, which is it ?
    Can you point out where I claimed they should be detained at airports or such like ?
    It is you just don't want to accept it because you don't understand the tax system. You have made claims that simply are not true and refuse to answer questions when asked.

    Considering how new your account is and the number of posts I would question your sincerity. I am out, you have no value to this discussion


  • #518
    ryan101
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭ryan101


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    ryan101 how much wealth do you want to be taken off the richest in the country?

    Please explain what you actually want to happen.

    Do you want to government to show up at the door and ask for 50% of their wealth nicely?

    Please explain what you actually want to happen.

    Do you want the wealthy to be put on the breadline?

    Please explain what you actually want to happen.

    It's very simple, if austerity is for everyone, then it should be for everyone, not just ordinary working people.


  • #519
    longhalloween
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭longhalloween


    ryan101 wrote: »
    It's very simple, if austerity is for everyone, then it should be for everyone, not just ordinary working people.

    this guy is like a f*cking parrot.


  • #520
    ryan101
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭ryan101


    longhalloween wrote: »
    this guy is like a f*cking parrot.

    I suppose if your stuck for lies and spin, you can always move onto cursing and personal abuse to avoid the question.
    Glad I exposed it.


  • #521
    mickydoomsux
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,287 ✭✭✭mickydoomsux


    ryan101 wrote: »
    It's very simple, if austerity is for everyone, then it should be for everyone, not just ordinary working people.

    You're just embarrassing yourself at this stage.


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  • #522
    Ray Palmer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    longhalloween wrote: »
    this guy is like a f*cking parrot.
    A parrot can at least answer one question " Who is a pretty boy?":D


  • #523
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,460 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    ryan101 wrote: »
    It's very simple, if austerity is for everyone, then it should be for everyone, not just ordinary working people.

    You didn't answer a single one of my questions.

    And austerity has been for everyone. CGT has doubled. Inheritance tax relief has been slashed. Residency rules have been toughened. PRSI must now be paid on far more forms of investment profits. Not to mention the fact that the wealthy will also be receiving water charges. Etc Etc Etc.


  • #524
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    ryan101 wrote: »
    You mean avoiding the question.


    AHHHHHHHH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAAAAAAAAAAA


  • #525
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    ryan101 wrote: »
    Remind me who you were again, oh yes the guy caught telling lies . . . your posts have great creditability now, lol

    Look up the word austerity in the dictionary and answer the question.

    Yeah



    No more food for you ;)


  • #526
    ryan101
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭ryan101


    mickydoomsux wrote: »
    You're just embarrassing yourself at this stage.

    Same question to you, given the 250 wealthiest in Ireland are now wealthier than ever before and that austerity is supposedly for everyone, what austerity have they endured ?


  • #527
    ryan101
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭ryan101


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »

    And austerity has been for everyone.

    The 250 richest in Ireland are now richer than ever, what austerity did they endure exactly ?


  • #528
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,460 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    ryan101 wrote: »
    The 250 richest in Ireland are now richer than ever, what austerity did they endure exactly ?

    I answered it. And you deleted my answer out when quoting me.

    Your true colours shining through.


  • #529
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,460 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    ryan101 wrote: »
    The 250 richest in Ireland are now richer than ever, what austerity did they endure exactly ?


    Here you go....I'll give you my full reply AGAIN

    "You didn't answer a single one of my questions.

    And austerity has been for everyone. CGT has doubled. Inheritance tax relief has been slashed. Residency rules have been toughened. PRSI must now be paid on far more forms of investment profits. Not to mention the fact that the wealthy will also be receiving water charges. Etc Etc Etc. "


  • #530
    norrie rugger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,656 ✭✭✭norrie rugger


    mickydoomsux wrote: »
    They pay most of the tax take in this country and are more likely to use less of the facilities that are paid for by the tax they pay.

    Plus they are more likely than Joe Soap to be employers.

    And, relative to income, spend less. They save a much higher percentage of income, not allowing this money back into the economy. Trickle down economics does not work and just ties up the money out of the general economy.

    Also someone on "average" wage paying tax cuts into essentials, never mind luxuries
    Someone earning 100-150K+ paying normal tax plus higher band does not cut into the money that they need just to get buy. It MAY limit their upper level luxury spend or reduce the money removed from economy through savings


  • #531
    ryan101
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭ryan101


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    Here you go....I'll give you my full reply AGAIN

    "You didn't answer a single one of my questions.

    And austerity has been for everyone. CGT has doubled. Inheritance tax relief has been slashed. Residency rules have been toughened. PRSI must now be paid on far more forms of investment profits. Not to mention the fact that the wealthy will also be receiving water charges. Etc Etc Etc. "

    We've all endure that, and the ordinary working person is now less well off and barely making ends meet.

    As the 250 richest in Ireland are now richer than ever, what austerity did they endure exactly ?


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  • #532
    woahwoahwoah
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 75 ✭✭woahwoahwoah


    tritium wrote: »
    I'm quite ready to acknowledge that others across all sections of society are feeling the pain. Where did I claim anyone had it easy?

    Your conclusion by the way is flawed, even without having the link. Just because someone has worked at some point in the past doesn't mean they weren't unemployed from the boom through to now. Even allowing for net flows it's generally accepted 4% represents 'full employment ' for Ireland. And yes some may work in the black economy- surely that's just means we should have better tax oversight of the black economy? That group are certainly doing better than a base social welfare case.

    Now would you care to address any of the substantive points in my post?

    What substantive points? You've basically confirmed what I said in my post. People like you are for low income earners and those on social welfare to suffer while those who can afford it should get away with it. The recession has not affected everyone, it has barely touched some people.
    I will put the links to prove that only 10,000 people or so have remained unemployed throughout the boom and still remain unemployed when I have enough posts.


  • #533
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    ryan101 wrote: »
    Either austerity is for everyone as we're told or it is not, which is it ?
    Says who? Should everyone have been given obligatory HIV during the AIDS epidemic?
    ryan101 wrote: »
    Can you point out where I claimed they should be detained at airports or such like ?
    Can you point out where you have a practical suggestion as to how we strip the wealthy of their money?


  • #534
    woahwoahwoah
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 75 ✭✭woahwoahwoah


    Ray Palmer wrote: »
    Woah seems to be talking about the increase in long term unemployed.

    I am curious about the overpaid that have managed to go through the downturn unscathed. My tax bill has gone up quite a bit while my income went down. I can't see how anybody avoided this.

    I suspect it is that some people still have good income relative to others but that doesn't mean they haven't suffered. I could easily have had a luxury car for the tax increases alone. The fact I didn't have one means I didn't have it to lose but for somebody else they may have had to give such a thing up. Just because it was a luxury doesn't mean you wouldn't feel the loss.
    Everybody tightened their belts as far as I know hence the low consumer index. Increased taxes effected everyone and also the economy

    A lot of peoples earnings stayed around the same level.


  • #535
    Ray Palmer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    woahwoahwoah wrote: »
    A lot of peoples earnings stayed around the same level.
    That doesn't really mean much as their taxes went up. They end up with less money so not matching what you have said


  • #536
    Ray Palmer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    I just had a thought why are the 250 richest people earning more money than before? :rolleyes:


  • #537
    woahwoahwoah
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 75 ✭✭woahwoahwoah


    Ray Palmer wrote: »
    That doesn't really mean much as their taxes went up. They end up with less money so not matching what you have said

    Their tax went up because none of them would accept that they were being overpaid. It's easy for FG and Labour supporters to say that those on social welfare receive too much money but not so easy when talking about the many overpaid jobs.


  • #538
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,460 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    ryan101 wrote: »
    We've all endure that, and the ordinary working person is now less well off and barely making ends meet.

    As the 250 richest in Ireland are now richer than ever, what austerity did they endure exactly ?

    They endured the same. They are richer due to investing their wealth in profitable investments. They would have become even richer if it wasn't for the austerity imposed.

    What are you struggling to understand ryan? It's a pretty simple concept.


  • #539
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    woahwoahwoah wrote: »
    Their tax went up because none of them would accept that they were being overpaid. It's easy for FG and Labour supporters to say that those on social welfare receive too much money but not so easy when talking about the many overpaid jobs.
    How is the tax system supposed to decide which jobs are overpaid and which are not?

    Or is any well-paid job overpaid?


  • #540
    Ray Palmer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    woahwoahwoah wrote: »
    Their tax went up because none of them would accept that they were being overpaid. It's easy for FG and Labour supporters to say that those on social welfare receive too much money but not so easy when talking about the many overpaid jobs.
    ?? Are you insane ?? You are talking nonsense.

    Strange another new use? Pattern anybody?


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  • #541
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    woahwoahwoah wrote: »
    Their tax went up because none of them would accept that they were being overpaid. It's easy for FG and Labour supporters to say that those on social welfare receive too much money but not so easy when talking about the many overpaid jobs.

    What is considered "overpayed"?


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