Assault in broad daylight

RandomName2 · 17-05-2014 03:47PM

Tail Docker wrote: »

No-one touched you. They were probably best of mates again when they sobered up. Which bit wasn't safe? Junkies/winos will tend to batter each other - no amount of tax money will stop that. They'd fight themselves if none of their mates were around.

Because there isn't a huge jump from kicking the crap out of someone you know, for no particularly good reason, to kicking the crap out of someone you don't know, for no particularly good reason.

Jamiekelly · 17-05-2014 04:30PM

There's been a few suggestions flying around for the past couple of years among the commuter towns as to what Dublin City centre should do to stop this. Heard these views quite a number of times and tend to agree with them.

1. CCTV to cover more areas, leave them to be monitored and controlled by Guards that just don't patrol often enough (or the Garda Reserve, considering they can't deal directly with some incidents mentioned above for legal reasons)
2. Change the "do you want to make a complaint" mentality with things like assault and harrassment. Change it to what some states in the US do. If you are caught in the act (Guard or CCTV) it doesn't matter if someone makes a complaint, the state charges you with assault regardless of what the victim wants to do.
3. The most obvious one, less lenient sentences. Caught assaulting someone by CCTV, deny it and sentenced to a guaranteed prison sentence for assault, obstruction of justice etc. No previous convictions means a chance to explain/appeal, with previous convictions however, you get the zero tolerance approach.

I've said this before to my friend who lived in Dublin for awhile and his response was "sure its not Detroit, that's like Nazi Germany approach to non-issues"

Considering the amount of first hand stories I've heard on here and from people who travel to Dublin for work, I doubt these are not to draconian for..."non issues"

RDM_83 again · 18-05-2014 10:30PM

Jamiekelly wrote: »

There's been a few suggestions flying around for the past couple of years among the commuter towns as to what Dublin City centre should do to stop this. Heard these views quite a number of times and tend to agree with them.

1. CCTV to cover more areas, leave them to be monitored and controlled by Guards that just don't patrol often enough (or the Garda Reserve, considering they can't deal directly with some incidents mentioned above for legal reasons)
2. Change the "do you want to make a complaint" mentality with things like assault and harrassment. Change it to what some states in the US do. If you are caught in the act (Guard or CCTV) it doesn't matter if someone makes a complaint, the state charges you with assault regardless of what the victim wants to do.
3. The most obvious one, less lenient sentences. Caught assaulting someone by CCTV, deny it and sentenced to a guaranteed prison sentence for assault, obstruction of justice etc. No previous convictions means a chance to explain/appeal, with previous convictions however, you get the zero tolerance approach.

I've said this before to my friend who lived in Dublin for awhile and his response was "sure its not Detroit, that's like Nazi Germany approach to non-issues"

Considering the amount of first hand stories I've heard on here and from people who travel to Dublin for work, I doubt these are not to draconian for..."non issues"

I broadly agree but firstly its not possible to actually jail anymore people without either building somewhere new or releasing others early.

Also I am not sure about the 2 strikes and your out idea particularly since assault can actually be something extremely minor, personally if it was even a 10 strikes and your out system it would probably deal with the repeat offender.
This also makes sense for a more liberal perspective because if the justice system is to actually be rehabilitative people don;t need to be constantly in and out for very short periods of time it requires longer sentences (and if somebody has 10+ convictions over a space of time they aren't likely to turn themselves around without direct intervention).

McDermotX · 18-05-2014 10:51PM

Fires up Youtube......Dublin fights.

Disappointing, scummy, worrying...............and that's just the quality of the fighting.

Ihatecuddles · 19-05-2014 12:34AM

A few days ago there was an altercation and a young man I knew was hit in the head with a steel bat.

He died because of it. Such a waste of life. He was 20 years old

nxbyveromdwjpg · 19-05-2014 12:42AM

Wicklowrider wrote: »

In the exact same place, way back in the '80's a gang cut an innocent man with a stanley knife. I remember walking by as the man was helped into an ambulance by a garda. Without really trying I can remember several similar assaults as as far back as the mid '70's. Maybe its the communication revolution that spreads these stories further and faster but I believe it was happening for decades - I'm not sure it is worse now

Absolutely

DildoFaggins · 19-05-2014 12:54AM

mauzo! wrote: »

A few days ago there was an altercation and a young man I knew was hit in the head with a steel bat.

He died because of it. Such a waste of life. He was 20 years old

I've just been informed the courts are on to the accused and are ready to give him a "slap on the wrist" that will teach him justice is served.

bb1234567 · 19-05-2014 02:00AM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

I try my best to stay clear of Dublin city centre these days. I absolutely hate the place, night or day. But yesterday was one of those rare occasions when I had to go in.

So, I park in the multi-storey on Parnell Street and on walking through the exit I am presented with quite a sight. Two guys beating the crap out of another guy. All three were what I would describe as 'undesirables'. They had the guy on the ground and there was lots of shouting, and sitting right next to them on the steps was what appeared to be one of their girlfriends, smoking and texting as casual as you like. Not a care in the world.

This was not late at night. It was in broad daylight. Just after 6.30pm. And you know what, I just walked right past them. Didn't bother looking back. I just went about my day. And other people on the street did the exact same thing.

Basically there was nothing I could do. If I tried to intervene, I might have been beaten up or worse. All three of them might have turned on me (I've seen this type of thing happen before). Or if I knocked one of them out, I might have been up on charges.

I was going to call the gardai, but saw someone else on their phone and heard him reporting the assault. And so I went about my business.

But the incident is stuck in my head. I'm 36 years old, and even back when I was 20 this would have shocked me to see something like this on a busy street in daylight. Over the last 15 years this city, and country (you only need to look at the news today to see its nationwide) has become a very dangerous place. What is it going to be like 20 years from now???

I think we as a nation need to start thinking about where we're headed. This country seems completely rudderless. The authorities and government are not providing a positive direction and I can only see things getting worse.

You would think with the amount of taxes we pay, that we would at least live in a safe environment.

Thoughts?

Bar sweden,norwar and a few other regions youll be hard pressed to find a safer country to live in than ireland. The rate of violent crime in this country is incredibly low, relative to the rest of the world atleast it is.

thebaz · 19-05-2014 02:10AM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Bar sweden,norwar and a few other regions youll be hard pressed to find a safer country to live in than ireland. The rate of violent crime in this country is incredibly low, relative to the rest of the world atleast it is.

there seams to be a murder in Dublin every second day , not to mention serious assault - I certainly found most of Asia, America. Africa and Europe safer & to have a general much more pleasant atmosphere than our capital has today

Muahahaha · 19-05-2014 02:45AM

Nino Brown wrote: »

That would work, but we don't have enough gardai, they can't be everywhere, the problem is not the gardai, but the lack of them.

Often it can be a case of having the Gardai but not using them in the most effective way. Take O'Connell Street for instance, it can often be saturated with beggars and junkies with the odd pickpocket too. However if you look across to the GPO there is generally always a Guard standing on detail outside it during g daylight hours. What are they standing there protecting, stamps ? Or do they reckon the British might be planning to retake the GPO ? It's daft, if I was the superintendent I'd have that guard cycling up and down OConnell Street on a 6 minute lap. Get them to mix it up a bit taking the odd detour down alleys and parallel streets. If junkies and pickpockets see the visible presence of a Garda and know that they will be around every 6 minutes or so then they'll soon go to ply their trade elsewhere. Petty criminals hate disruption and a visible Garda presence on our city centre streets disrupts them, at the moment they have control of that street and it needs to be taken back as large numbers of tourists disembark there as well as the general public going to and from places.

Policing is not rocket science but it seems to be for some in Garda management.

twowheelsonly · 19-05-2014 02:45AM

Holsten wrote: »

Have a very visible no nonsense presence. Change the current nice and friendly uniform.

Couple of these lads walking the streets woulds see this behvious stamped out pretty fast I would think.

http://www.thestar.ie/star/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Emergency-Response-Unit.GardaGardai.jpg

And plenty of them. Meet street crime with street justice. Trouble is all the tree huggers would have a field day :mad:

Diego Simeone wrote: »

You'd both be criminals, and rightly so.

You actually want to have the right to beat up a teenager without any repercussions? Big man you are.

If he's old enough to get s***faced and want to start trouble then he's old enough to suffer the repercussions. Simple as. I wish people would stop making excuses for these people.

MagicMarker wrote: »

Good heavens, two people involved in a fight? What kind of zoo is this city turning into!?!?!?!

I'm booking myself onto the first flight out of here, to a city where this sort of carry on doesn't carry on!

Try Turkey.

I was in Bar Street in Kusadasi one night when two skanger 'hard men' (Dubs believe it or not!!) started on another Irish guy. They got about 30 seconds worth at the most before they were punched, booted and flaked down the street by the local baton wielding police before being carted off for the night. Their rep (a girl I've got to know out there over the years) had to get them out of the station the next morning and straight to the airport to be put on the next available flight home. She's dealt with quite a few of these but said she never saw anyone so frightened in their lives as those two.

I thought it was great!!! Very comforting to others that just want to have a good night out as well.

The trouble is that here the tree huggers would be saying that they were drunk/high or whatever and didn't know what they were doing. Over there they look on that as your problem, not theirs.

EyeSight · 19-05-2014 07:57AM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Bar sweden,norwar and a few other regions youll be hard pressed to find a safer country to live in than ireland. The rate of violent crime in this country is incredibly low, relative to the rest of the world atleast it is.

It shouldn't matter about other countries! We should strive to achieve the best.

You're not even comparing like for like. If i ever got mugged or was a victim of a minor assault in Dublin (Luckily the worst i've gotten is verbal threats) i wouldn't report it. Because in the unlikely event the guards did bother to do anything, the courts wouldn't. In other countries they actually clamp down on criminals, believe it or not!

Assault in broad daylight

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