The Boards.ie World Manager Application Thread

Seaneh · 18-05-2014 07:11PM

Why should the people interested in Kyiv, of which I am admittedly one, have to wait a week to apply just to suit one person?

I have the chance to win Div 2 with Benfica but I'd rather take the Kyiv job if I got it.

Mr Blobby · 18-05-2014 07:28PM

Seaneh wrote: »

Why should the people interested in Kyiv, of which I am admittedly one, have to wait a week to apply just to suit one person?

I have the chance to win Div 2 with Benfica but I'd rather take the Kyiv job if I got it.

So if Tonic takes the Atletico job you'll 100% take the Dynamo Kyiv job?

ctrl-alt-delete · 18-05-2014 07:34PM

Mr Blobby wrote: »

So if Toxic takes the Atletico job you'll 100% take the Dynamo Kyiv job?

This is the mess it has created :pac:

Is the Kyiv job available now? Would we have to wait 24hrs for more applications?, or is it first come first served now as 24hrs have passed since it may have become available?

As i said earlier, I don't care what happens once it is sorted one way or the other for the next time (which mac has sorted), but you can see why we need clear guidelines for these things!

Seaneh · 18-05-2014 07:34PM

Mr Blobby wrote: »

So if Toxic takes the Atletico job you'll 100% take the Dynamo Kyiv job?

If I am successful in my application, yes.

Mr Blobby · 18-05-2014 07:38PM

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

This is the mess it has created :pac:

Is the Kyiv job available now? Would we have to wait 24hrs for more applications?, or is it first come first served now as 24hrs have passed since it may have become available?

As i said earlier, I don't care what happens once it is sorted one way or the other for the next time (which mac has sorted), but you can see why we need clear guidelines for these things!

Well I don't think there's been an announcement saying the Dynamo job is available.. So technically there's needs to be a 24hr application period.

Thats if Dynamo are available.

Seaneh · 18-05-2014 07:40PM

Mr Blobby wrote: »

Well I don't think there's been an announcement saying the Dynamo job is available.. So technically there's needs to be a 24hr application period.

Thats if Dynamo are available.

This is my main problem with all this. Who's to say that come next monday night he doesn't get cold feet and change his mind?

JamboMac · 18-05-2014 07:41PM

Seaneh wrote: »

If I am successful in my application, yes.

What if I want them and am willing to wait till the end of the season and I am higher ranked and why is this still being debated when many people including seaneh I remember saying that Mac has final word and Macs fine with the only person turning this into a mess is you guys who won't accept the decision.

Grow up.

tonic wine · 18-05-2014 07:42PM

Seaneh wrote: »

If you're leaving Kyiv either way, why do you want to stay? It makes no sense. Either stay or go, none of this half arsed soft landing crap.

Makes no sense to you, but thankfully it's not upto you.

Seaneh wrote: »

Why should the people interested in Kyiv, of which I am admittedly one, have to wait a week to apply just to suit one person?
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By the sounds of it, all this just to suit yourself is how it looks to me.

Seaneh · 18-05-2014 07:44PM

tonic wine wrote: »

Makes no sense to you, but thankfully it's not upto you.

By the sounds of it, all this just to suit yourself is how it looks to me.

But sure even if this is the case, how is it any different than you dragging the arse out of it just to suit yourself?

I've already said I don't think I'll even get the Kyiv job if you even leave in the end, but I'd like it sorted sooner than later rather than flogging a dead dog just because you can't make up your mind if you want to leave or not.

KERSPLAT! · 18-05-2014 07:49PM

tonic wine wrote: »

By the sounds of it, all this just to suit yourself is how it looks to me.

I've no problem with you waiting it out with Kiev. It'd be great for them to finish as high as possible and for you to get them a cup place, but lets be honest, it's you suiting yourself that started the debate in the first place

Peanut Butter Jelly · 18-05-2014 07:53PM

Seaneh wrote: »

This is my main problem with all this. Who's to say that come next monday night he doesn't get cold feet and change his mind?

Can Mac not remove him from the club?

Seaneh · 18-05-2014 07:54PM

Peanut Butter Jelly wrote: »

Can Mac not remove him from the club?

Nope, you can't kick people out, they have to quit.

And even if Mac could, that would be over kill, it's not worth kicking him for, it's just an annoying possibility.

tonic wine · 18-05-2014 07:55PM

Seaneh wrote: »

But sure even if this is the case, how is it any different than you dragging the arse out of it just to suit yourself?

I've already said I don't think I'll even get the Kyiv job if you even leave in the end, but I'd like it sorted sooner than later rather than flogging a dead dog just because you can't make up your mind if you want to leave or not.

Tit tat, I'm not getting into this with you as you'd pick a fight with your toe nails god love you.

You just change your tune to suit yourself if your not getting your own way. Earlier it was ok if the other applicants said they didn't mind, which they have, but that isn't good enough for you anymore because it doesn't suit yourself.

Thing is, it doesn't matter if it suits you or not. Get over it, stop trying to take the fun out of the game for everyone else.

Seaneh · 18-05-2014 07:56PM

tonic wine wrote: »

Tit tat, I'm not getting into this with you as you'd pick a fight with your toe nails god love you.

You just change your tune to suit yourself if your not getting your own way. Earlier it was ok if the other applicants said they didn't mind, which they have, but that isn't good enough for you anymore because it doesn't suit yourself.

Thing is, it doesn't matter if it suits you or not. Get over it, stop trying to take the fun out of the game for everyone else.

Sure it's grand so once you get your own way.

Maldjd23 · 18-05-2014 07:59PM

Seaneh wrote: »

This is my main problem with all this. Who's to say that come next monday night he doesn't get cold feet and change his mind?

Or who is to say next week he will take the Madrid job and you will have been arguing for nothing?

Seaneh · 18-05-2014 08:01PM

Maldjd23 wrote: »

Or who is to say next week he will take the Madrid job and you will have been arguing for nothing?

Once he doesn't wait 10 days to see if something else suits him better I don't care if he gets any job. I've said already I think he's the best man for the job, but waiting 10 days just so he can have a vanity project at Kyiv, which means everyone else waits 10 days to apply for his current club, is taking the piss.

tonic wine · 18-05-2014 08:04PM

Seaneh wrote: »

Sure it's grand so once you get your own way.

No buddy, I asked the question, other applicants said they had no issues, GW owner said it was fine if other applicants had no problems with.

If any of those had any objections, I would have moved straight away when I came home this evening.

Now we have a process that deals with this issue if it arises in future. I'm done.

Seaneh · 18-05-2014 08:05PM

tonic wine wrote: »

No buddy, I asked the question, other applicants said they had no issues, GW owner said it was fine if other applicants had no problems with.

If any of those had any objections, I would have moved straight away when I came home this evening.

Now we have a process that deals with this issue if it arises in future. I'm done.

Yup you get your way but from now on nobody else gets to have a little vanity project, so you're special, just like you always wanted.

tonic wine · 18-05-2014 08:17PM

Seaneh wrote: »

Yup you get your way but from now on nobody else gets to have a little vanity project, so you're special, just like you always wanted.

Your the only special project around here. Just look at the way you talk to people. You can't put a sentence together without throwing in a sly remarks and insulting others.

GT_TDI_150 · 18-05-2014 08:18PM

To be fair, seaneh makes sense ....

If i applied for kiev when they became available but wanted to see how porto did in the first 4 games of next season... Will i be allowed to hold up the process ... Whats the difference?

When a job becomes available, people apply, the winner resigns and takrs his new role .... Why the complications?

Others have quit teams on the cusp of winning things to take different teams.

Seaneh · 18-05-2014 08:27PM

tonic wine wrote: »

Your the only special project around here. Just look at the way you talk to people. You can't put a sentence together without throwing in a sly remarks and insulting others.

I haven't insulted anyone. And you're the one attacking me trying to use the fact, which I admitted, that I want to apply for a job, as some sort of reason to discredit my point.

If what you're doing now isn't just a little vanity project, what is it?

Maldjd23 · 18-05-2014 08:32PM

Seaneh wrote: »

I haven't insulted anyone. And you're the one attacking me trying to use the fact, which I admitted, that I want to apply for a job, as some sort of reason to discredit my point.

If what you're doing now isn't just a little vanity project, what is it?

In fairness you are throwing sly digs at him in a few of your posts.

Seaneh · 18-05-2014 08:35PM

Maldjd23 wrote: »

In fairness you are throwing sly digs at him in a few of your posts.

I'm not, I'm pointing out that he's taking the piss with this whole "I want to have it both ways" crap. I've no problem with the lad personally, I think he's been the best manager in the game world this season, he'll win the league with Atleti next year after their review and the rises they will get, but if he's going to do it then he should do it and not piss about with a little vain hope of winning the league this season. If he wants the job he should take it now or let someone else who will take it now take it.

tonic wine · 18-05-2014 09:22PM

tonic wine wrote: »

Earlier it was ok if the other applicants said they didn't mind, which they have, but that isn't good enough for you anymore

.

You never said why you changed your mind, was it because none of the other applicants objected?

Seaneh wrote: »

I'm not, I'm pointing out that he's taking the piss

LOL

Yes, you have done this all day

i think everyone is quite clear how you feel about it at this stage. But having gone back through the thread, mostly containing posts from yourself pointing out you object, the majority that posted said they have no problem, and it is only yourself and GT that have an issue with me staying with Kyiv until the EOS.

Seaneh wrote: »

I'm happy where I am, I just think this hanging about because you want to see how your current team does before leaving is taking the piss.

Seaneh wrote: »

I am actually hoping to apply for Kyiv when he leaves.
I don't think I'll get them as other players with higher ratings will also apply but I'd like to know either way asap.

^^^ these last two quotes crack me up

#busted #agenda

Seaneh · 18-05-2014 09:32PM

Happy where I am in relation to Madrid, I don't want the Madrid job.

I do want the Kyiv job, I can copy and paste a chat form SM with someone on Friday night where I said "hopefully Kyiv gets the Madrid job so I can apply for Kyiv, will be less competition for that job".
But I've decided I only want it if I get Benfica promoted and then I'm allowed play the first 4 games of next season with Benfica just to see how both teams are doing before committing to one or the other.

Why should you be allowed to have your cake and eat it but everyone else has to make a decision and commit to it?

GT_TDI_150 · 18-05-2014 09:36PM

my point is it shoudl be one rule for all,

on gameweek 3 of a season will a player be alowed to stay at his current club for x games before taking up a new position to see how the results pan out, even though he is the highest rated applicant for another club?

if the answer here is no, or why would you, ... then surely the same applies for every other time of the season?

Peanut Butter Jelly · 18-05-2014 09:47PM

I can totally see where GT and Seaneh are coming from with a one rule fits all perspective, but I think in this case, with it being the first example of it in our gameworld and the fact of what's at stake for Kyiv right now, I think we could make an exception. I do agree in the future we should have a 24/48 hour window unless there's exceptional circumstances (Family, business, whatever) where a player might be unable to take the team for a day or two more (not waiting to finish out a number of games/finish a transfer, etc.)

Seaneh · 18-05-2014 09:51PM

Peanut Butter Jelly wrote: »

I can totally see where GT and Seaneh are coming from with a one rule fits all perspective, but I think in this case, with it being the first example of it in our gameworld and the fact of what's at stake for Kyiv right now, I think we could make an exception. I do agree in the future we should have a 24/48 hour window unless there's exceptional circumstances (Family, business, whatever) where a player might be unable to take the team for a day or two more (not waiting to finish out a number of games/finish a transfer, etc.)

What's at stake for him that hasn't been at stake for others who left jobs in the past?
He can't win the league after tonight, sure what difference does it matter to him any more where Kyiv finish?
If he's leaving them it's not his problem any more.

Making him an exception to the rule is daft, either implement the rule and stick by it or don't bother and everyone can hum and haw for 2 weeks about actually taking jobs or not after applying for them.

The rule is either a good idea or it's not and if it's a good idea it should be applicable to everyone, not just everyone else.

GT_TDI_150 · 18-05-2014 09:54PM

Peanut Butter Jelly wrote: »

I can totally see where GT and Seaneh are coming from with a one rule fits all perspective, but I think in this case, with it being the first example of it in our gameworld and the fact of what's at stake for Kyiv right now, I think we could make an exception. I do agree in the future we should have a 24/48 hour window unless there's exceptional circumstances (Family, business, whatever) where a player might be unable to take the team for a day or two more (not waiting to finish out a number of games/finish a transfer, etc.)

tbh, dont think it is the first example as such ...

I cant remember who but there was a few people wondering why it took one manager soo long ( 2-3days to accept the new job, as well as was it seaneh @ Sporting jumped to Benfica when sporting were guaranteed promotion but hadnt secured a title yet? Difference is that the question wasnt posed at the time but same scenario (IF MY MEMORY OF EVENTS IS CORRECT)

And surely if it is allowed now, then the rule going frward from here is once you are the highest rated manager, you can decide when you make the actual switch to your new team?

Seaneh · 18-05-2014 10:00PM

GT_TDI_150 wrote: »

tbh, dont think it is the first example as such ...

I cant remember who but there was a few people wondering why it took one manager soo long ( 2-3days to accept the new job, as well as was it seaneh @ Sporting jumped to Benfica when sporting were guaranteed promotion but hadnt secured a title yet? Difference is that the question wasnt posed at the time but same scenario (IF MY MEMORY OF EVENTS IS CORRECT)

And surely if it is allowed now, then the rule going frward from here is once you are the highest rated manager, you can decide when you make the actual switch to your new team?

I wasn't mathematically guaranteed the title but was already promoted and something like 10 points ahead with 4 or 5 games left. If I'd stayed another 3 days I'd have "Division 4 champion" on my awards tab, but I didn't drag it out because that would have been taking the piss. I applied, was the highest applicant and I took the job because that was the understanding, either take it or let someone else take it.

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