The Boards.ie World Manager Application Thread

Peanut Butter Jelly

Seaneh wrote: »

What's at stake for him that hasn't been at stake for others who left jobs in the past?
He can't win the league after tonight, sure what difference does it matter to him any more where Kyiv finish?
If he's leaving them it's not his problem any more.

He said he's waiting to see if he can get them into the European championship cup thingy whatever it's called and after tonight he's in 3rd so it's still on the cards.

GT_TDI_150 wrote: »

tbh, dont think it is the first example as such ...

That could have been from before I joined the game so I won't dispute that one with you

At the end of the day, the result of this doesn't affect me, as I am not interested in taking either team as of now. I could agree with both sides of the argument as I can see their reasons.

tonic wine

Seaneh wrote: »

He can't win the league after tonight, sure what difference does it matter to him any more where Kyiv finish?
If he's leaving them it's not his problem any more.

.

You have said this a few times tonight, which is incorrect. This maybe how you think but my motives are different, It has never being about winning the league. I knew that would be some what impossible.

tonic wine wrote: »

I've pm'd all other managers that were intersted in the job that have not commented in this thread to see if they would have any issues with me taking over at the EOS.
I would like if i could pass on champions league football next season to the next manager coming in with one of the smallest clubs in division 1.


If any of them have any issues, ill take over straight away.


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Seaneh

Why can't the new manager have the "glory" of securing CL football, or can nobody else but the "chosen one" do it?

Winning the league, avoiding relegation, finishing top 4, whatecer your "goal" is, is irrelevant and shouldn't be a consideration. You applied for a job, you won the application process now either take it or leave it and stop pissing around trying to have it both ways.

gerp99

Again this change doesn't affect me but its going to open up a load of future arguments when changing teams. I see where dynamo is coming from but I think it is unfair to hold up a team.

I was fairly torn between taking city and leaving Palermo but I wouldnt have held up the process of changing teams!

Mr Blobby

Seriously lads this has been blown WAY out of proportion!

Its **** like this that stops people posting.

Wilberto

Not that I want to get into this but if I wanted Dynamo Kiev I'd be more than happy to let Tonic Wine have them for the rest of the season because it'd probably give them the best chance of qualifying for the CL!


I know the following suggestion could get slightly messy but, if this is something that is going to be proceeded with, there is a very real possibility that this scenario is going to repeat itself into the future and therefore it needs to be written into the charter that a successful applicant may apply to hold the vacancy, stating the reasons why, and if the reasons are accepted the other applicants in the race, and the reasons seem to be generally accepted by the other managers, then it goes to a two-day poll. If the manager is in question is successful after these three 'tests' then he is allowed to hold the vacancy for up to 4 matches. I've only suggested four because that's the number of games left in the current scenario.

In fact, instead of even allowing them to explain their reasons, we could have a list of predetermined reasons as to why this scenario might arise. Something like:

1. The successful applicant's club has a realistic (I know, how realistic is realistic? It's quite subjective) chance of attaining automatic promotion while the vacant club has no mathematical chance of any end of season honours (including avoiding relegation).

2. The successful applicant's club has a realistic (I know, how realistic is realistic? It's quite subjective) chance of attaining a play-off position while the vacant club has no mathematical chance of any end of season honours (including avoiding relegation).

3. The successful applicant's club has a realistic (I know, how realistic is realistic? It's quite subjective) chance of avoiding relegation while the vacant club has no mathematical chance of any end of season honours (including avoiding relegation).

4. The successful applicant's club will be competing in a cup final within the next four matches (again this figure comes from the current scenario).


To be honest, the reason I think the last one is important is because a cup final win may increase a managers ratings a little bit more than a normal, say league, victory so it's possibly unfair on allowing another manager in to take charge of the cup final, and boosting his ratings when s/he played no part in guiding that team to the final.


The key problem with this whole scenario is that it is quite obviously one of those little grey areas. It is a game after all and nobody is out to damage another person's enjoyment of it.








EDIT: I would also like to apologise for forcing people to read that very long sentence that poses as the second paragraph. The reason it's so long is that I went back to add something into it. As everyone on here should realise by now, I take my grammar quite seriously and, as a result, am almost ashamed after writing such a long sentence.

:o

Seaneh

Mr Blobby wrote: »

Seriously lads this has been blown WAY out of proportion!

Its **** like this that stops people posting.

several people want the same rule applied to everyone, several others want one person to be given an exception to a rule. Nothing is being blown out of proportion.

Either apply a rule to everyone or don't apply it at all.

Seaneh

Wilberto wrote: »

Not that I want to get into this but if I wanted Dynamo Kiev I'd be more than happy to let Tonic Wine have them for the rest of the season because it'd probably give them the best chance of qualifying for the CL!


I know the following suggestion could get slightly messy but, if this is something that is going to be proceeded with, there is a very real possibility that this scenario is going to repeat itself into the future and therefore it needs to be written into the charter that a successful applicant may apply to hold the vacancy, stating the reasons why, and if the reasons are accepted the other applicants in the race, and the reasons seem to be generally accepted by the other managers, then it goes to a two-day poll. If the manager is in question is successful after these three 'tests' then he is allowed to hold the vacancy for up to 4 matches. I've only suggested four because that's the number of games left in the current scenario.

In fact, instead of even allowing them to explain their reasons, we could have a list of predetermined reasons as to why this scenario might arise. Something like:

1. The successful applicant's club has a realistic (I know, how realistic is realistic? It's quite subjective) chance of attaining automatic promotion while the vacant club has no mathematical chance of any end of season honours (including avoiding relegation).

2. The successful applicant's club has a realistic (I know, how realistic is realistic? It's quite subjective) chance of attaining a play-off position while the vacant club has no mathematical chance of any end of season honours (including avoiding relegation).

3. The successful applicant's club has a realistic (I know, how realistic is realistic? It's quite subjective) chance of avoiding relegation while the vacant club has no mathematical chance of any end of season honours (including avoiding relegation).

4. The successful applicant's club will be competing in a cup final within the next four matches (again this figure comes from the current scenario).


To be honest, the reason I think the last one is important is because a cup final win may increase a managers ratings a little bit more than a normal, say league, victory so it's possibly unfair on allowing another manager in to take charge of the cup final, and boosting his ratings when s/he played no part in guiding that team to the final.


The key problem with this whole scenario is that it is quite obviously one of those little grey areas. It is a game after all and nobody is out to damage another person's enjoyment of it.

No offence Willow, but I think that's the daftest idea yet. There's no point in complicating it so much. Either have a rule or don't have a rule, there is no grey area here.

If he wasn't prepared to leave his current club straight away he shouldn't have applied at all, it makes no odds if it's the last 4 or the first 4 or the middle game of a season, if he's leaving, he's leaving and it's not his job any more.

KERSPLAT!

I'd actually agree with Seaneh and GT at this stage. I may have been more sympathetic if you were going for a trophy but what difference does it make to you if they get CL football? I mean well done on the job with Kiev but it's time to sh1t or get off the pot.

As for making an exception, it should be a rule now or not at all

Edit: yes I do realise I said just hours ago that'd I'd stay out of it but my opinion has been swayed by some very valid points

tupac_healy

Mr Blobby wrote: »

Seriously lads this has been blown WAY out of proportion!

Its **** like this that stops people posting.

Exactly what I posted when all of this blew up, lads if current managers or new managers get the impression of the place being somewhat of a rules regulated 'prison' for lack of a better term then why would they join up/stay.....



Maybe it has become lost upon a few that this game/thread is supposed to be fun, yes some take it deadly serious (I being one of them, I freely admit that) but the minute it stops being fun then what is the point??

Blooby is right, its things like this that are totally killing the place and stopping people from posting, sure why would they for fear of unwarranted retribution on something the might post......


I agree that things have to be regulated, but come on..... Is this really going to be the be all and end all for some managers that didn't even apply for Atletico?


I dunno lads, some are missing the bigger picture and the damage crap like this is doing...

GT_TDI_150

Lets also consider that Atletico have 3 games left too ...

They play Chelsea, PSG and Spurs ....


Atletico are meant to be managed since last night, now the 3 clubs above face an unmanaged team ... fair?

JamboMac

Let's be honest is there a rule? Answer = no.

After this season it can be set, we've let many people away with things, so there is no big deal.

If you feel that hard done by, stop your gripeing and leave, the hostility that has been generated is stupid after Mac gave his answer this was done.

Seaneh

tupac_healy wrote: »

Exactly what I posted when all of this blew up, lads if current managers or new managers get the impression of the place being somewhat of a rules regulated 'prison' for lack of a better term then why would they join up/stay.....



Maybe it has become lost upon a few that this game/thread is supposed to be fun, yes some take it deadly serious (I being one of them, I freely admit that) but the minute it stops being fun then what is the point??

Blooby is right, its things like this that are totally killing the place and stopping people from posting, sure why would they for fear of unwarranted retribution on something the might post......


I agree that things have to be regulated, but come on..... Is this really going to be the be all and end all for some managers that didn't even apply for Atletico?


I dunno lads, some are missing the bigger picture and the damage crap like this is doing...

Peanut Butter Jelly

GT_TDI_150 wrote: »

Lets also consider that Atletico have 3 games left too ...

They play Chelsea, PSG and Spurs ....


Atletico are meant to be managed since last night, now the 3 clubs above face an unmanaged team ... fair?

If Real were part of it, it would be a lot fairer.

Wilberto

Seaneh wrote: »

No offence Willow, but I think that's the daftest idea yet. There's no point in complicating it so much. Either have a rule or don't have a rule, there is no grey area here.

Ah, but as I've mentioned, if nothing is done now, this scenario will undoubtedly repeat itself along with all the ridiculous arguing, and all because of a game.

At least I've actually constructed a suggestion. It would help if others either constructed their own, or even make amendments to my own one!

#justsaying #cringyhashtags! :pac::pac::D

Seaneh

Wilberto wrote: »

Ah, but as I've mentioned, if nothing is done now, this scenario will undoubtedly repeat itself along with all the ridiculous arguing, and all because of a game.

At least I've actually constructed a suggestion. It would help if others either constructed their own, or even make amendments to my own one!

#justsaying #cringyhashtags! :pac::pac::D

I've made a suggestion. Implement a rule where by if you apply you either take it or leave it when offered, and say that it stands now and includes this situation or else let what it happening now happen again.

I'm not trying to knock your post, you've clearly put a lot of thought into it, but it seems like total over kill to me.

GT_TDI_150

JamboMac wrote: »

Let's be honest is there a rule? Answer = no.

After this season it can be set, we've let many people away with things, so there is no big deal.

If you feel that hard done by, stop your gripeing and leave, the hostility that has been generated is stupid after Mac gave his answer this was done.

I've said from day one, I have no intention of ever moving from FCP to another team, so I dont feel hard done by. but imo, if you handle this request in one way now then that surely becomes the norm going forward?

I've stated my case a few times on why I think new managers should take up their position straight away and I'm not going to keep repeating it.

Lets just hope that the next new manager of a team doent need a few weeks to say goodbye to his old squad.

Seaneh

GT_TDI_150 wrote: »

Lets also consider that Atletico have 3 games left too ...

They play Chelsea, PSG and Spurs ....


Atletico are meant to be managed since last night, now the 3 clubs above face an unmanaged team ... fair?

Chelsea having a game against an unmanaged club who could have a manager in minutes gives them an unfair advantage in the title race.

Peanut Butter Jelly

Wilberto wrote: »

Ah, but as I've mentioned, if nothing is done now, this scenario will undoubtedly repeat itself along with all the ridiculous arguing, and all because of a game.

At least I've actually constructed a suggestion. It would help if others either constructed their own, or even make amendments to my own one!

#justsaying #cringyhashtags! :pac::pac::D

I made my own too, 24/48 hour window to accept unless there's outside circumstances (family, business, etc.). Otherwise it goes to the next on the list.

Seaneh

Peanut Butter Jelly wrote: »

I made my own too, 24/48 hour window to accept unless there's outside circumstances (family, business, etc.). Otherwise it goes to the next on the list.

I think this is more realistic, but I don't think it shoul even be that long, just have it ASAP.

The from the time Mac or Willow post after the deadline saying you get the job, the next time you log into SM you should have to quit your current club and either apply directly or pm mac your email address so he can offer it to you.

Mac or Willow could pm the "winner" here or on SM to let them know.

ctrl-alt-delete

It should be black and white.

You apply for a job, you get the job, you take up the position.

You apply for a job, you don't get the job, you stay with your current job or apply for another one.

I don't care how this one is resolved being totally honest, but the rule from now on should be (as mac has outlined) you apply for a job, you get it, you quit your club at the next opportunity and get your new position when mac is on to finalise it.

If you have any doubts you don't apply, if you have unfinished business you don't apply.

Seaneh

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

It should be black and white.

You apply for a job, you get the job, you take up the position.

You apply for a job, you don't get the job, you stay with your current job or apply for another one.

I don't care how this one is resolved being totally honest, but the rule from now on should be (as mac has outlined) you apply for a job, you get it, you quit your club at the next opportunity and get your new position when mac is on to finalise it.

If you have any doubts you don't apply, if you have unfinished business you don't apply.

This would be my view point.

If you change your mind and your club is still free and nobody has applied for it in the meantime, then you can go back, which has happened a few times and really is a different situation. But when it's 2 Division 1 clubs and either 1 could be filled instantly, this 4 games stuff is nonsense.

Peanut Butter Jelly

Seaneh wrote: »

I think this is more realistic, but I don't think it shoul even be that long, just have it ASAP.

The from the time Mac or Willow post after the deadline saying you get the job, the next time you log into SM you should have to quit your current club and either apply directly or pm mac your email address so he can offer it to you.

Mac or Willow could pm the "winner" here or on SM to let them know.

Agree with this. The 24/48 hour thing was just a limit you could impose on it aswell.

GT_TDI_150

guys, just to wade in again ...

from earlier in this thread ...



24hrs to take the job

Seaneh

GT_TDI_150 wrote: »

guys, just to wade in again ...

from earlier in this thread ...



24hrs to take the job

Well lookit that!

Looks like the rule DID infact exist!

That's well past by now, I reckon either Tonic takes the job now or it gets passed to next in line.

Peanut Butter Jelly

Interesting...

KERSPLAT!

Well done Inspector Morse

GT_TDI_150

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

Well done Inspector Morse

I just knew it had been said in the past ...

Signed
Rainman

Seaneh

The Bear asked me to deliver a message.

erieannBear wrote:

in light of inspector GT's findings i now find tonics claim to atletico madrid null and void the next highest rated manager shall take his place ''really though tonic you if you dont accept within 24 hrs i call on the next manager in line to be offered the job'' no more time wasting your current cup champion at genoa has expressed his views accept it.

GT_TDI_150

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

Well done Inspector Morse

You find some gems when you go through a thread to make a point ...

ahum ...

Al Capwned wrote: »

I would imagine the only job I'd leave AZ for would be United tbh.