Smoking near kids in beer garden

endacl · 18-05-2014 11:46AM

5uspect wrote: »

You have to smoke 3 metres away from a doorway at least.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoking_in_Ireland#Bans_on_smoking

Don't be ridiculous. Nobody's that tall!

:pac:

cloud493 · 18-05-2014 11:52AM

SterlingArcher wrote: »

Go into a playground, light up a smoke and tell the kids to get out. Essentially the same difference.

Not really though.

Idbatterim · 18-05-2014 12:03PM

It's stupid, kids shouldn't be in pubs at all, the beer garden's for smokers.

yeah right, so if the weather is great outside or I just want to go outside, I shouldnt because its for smokers?! The beer garden is for everyone, but as its permitted to smoke there, I think it was out of line to request that the OP doesnt smoke. You go out there, you are putting yourself in the line of smoke...

TireeTerror · 18-05-2014 12:17PM

Only total and utter scumbags smoke. There must seriously be something mentally wrong with anyone under 40 who smokes. When I hear about people dying of cancer and other smoking related illnesses due to them smoking, I don't feel any sympathy at all. They brought it upon themselves and its tough luck on them. Their selfishness and lack of respect for life and the feelings of their friends and family members makes them sick in the head.

The amount of disgust many people have for junkies seems to be accepted by many, but smoking is deemed as more socially acceptable. Ridiculous, at least junkies have the excuse that they got high and it was an utterly amazing experience, when did someone feel that way after smoking their first cigarette?

No, I have decided that whenever someone informs me of a person under 40 who is suffering due to smoking I will just treat them with the same contempt that many treat junkies with.

endacl · 18-05-2014 12:27PM

TireeTerror wrote: »

Only total and utter scumbags smoke. There must seriously be something mentally wrong with anyone under 40 who smokes. When I hear about people dying of cancer and other smoking related illnesses due to them smoking, I don't feel any sympathy at all. They brought it upon themselves and its tough luck on them. Their selfishness and lack of respect for life and the feelings of their friends and family members makes them sick in the head.

The amount of disgust many people have for junkies seems to be accepted by many, but smoking is deemed as more socially acceptable. Ridiculous, at least junkies have the excuse that they got high and it was an utterly amazing experience, when did someone feel that way after smoking their first cigarette?

No, I have decided that whenever someone informs me of a person under 40 who is suffering due to smoking I will just treat them with the same contempt that many treat junkies with.

Thanks. Now I know your opinions can be skimmed over as they make no sense. Will save me a bit of reading in the future!

cloud493 · 18-05-2014 12:30PM

TireeTerror wrote: »

Only total and utter scumbags smoke. There must seriously be something mentally wrong with anyone under 40 who smokes. When I hear about people dying of cancer and other smoking related illnesses due to them smoking, I don't feel any sympathy at all. They brought it upon themselves and its tough luck on them. Their selfishness and lack of respect for life and the feelings of their friends and family members makes them sick in the head.

The amount of disgust many people have for junkies seems to be accepted by many, but smoking is deemed as more socially acceptable. Ridiculous, at least junkies have the excuse that they got high and it was an utterly amazing experience, when did someone feel that way after smoking their first cigarette?

No, I have decided that whenever someone informs me of a person under 40 who is suffering due to smoking I will just treat them with the same contempt that many treat junkies with.

Oh your back. Jolly good.

TireeTerror · 18-05-2014 12:40PM

3 times this week I was providing lifts to work for people who didn't have a car or couldn't afford any other means of travel. You should have seen the annoyance I caused when I refused to pull over and stop so they could have a smoke. Obviously I wasn't letting them smoke in my car, and I certainly was not going to delay my journey, which was all at my own expense I might add, just to permit them to smoke. When we did stop for fuel they took the opportunity to have a quick smoke. I pissed myself laughing inside when I insisted on each of them doing 10 deep exhales before entering my car.

When they protested, I said I advised that if they wished to pollute their own atmosphere and kill themselves that was their business, but I was not going to be involved in it and I didn't want to smell it off their rank rotten breath when they get in the car and breathe in my direction. I think smokers often forget, or do not realise just how sensitive the smell is for a non-smoker. If its not that, its their manky dirty stinking yellow tinged fingers that would make me sick. If they wanted the luxury of being able to smoke in their own vehicle, I suggested they saved and bought one. Its odd that whenever I ask for them to contribute to the fuel costs, they are skint, yet they always seem to have a pack of fags in their pocket. It is just another example of the selfish mentality of smokers in general, dirty stinking peasants.

bumper234 · 18-05-2014 12:46PM

TireeTerror wrote: »

3 times this week I was providing lifts to work for people who didn't have a car or couldn't afford any other means of travel. You should have seen the annoyance I caused when I refused to pull over and stop so they could have a smoke. Obviously I wasn't letting them smoke in my car, and I certainly was not going to delay my journey, which was all at my own expense I might add, just to permit them to smoke. When we did stop for fuel they took the opportunity to have a quick smoke. I pissed myself laughing inside when I insisted on each of them doing 10 deep exhales before entering my car.

When they protested, I said I advised that if they wished to pollute their own atmosphere and kill themselves that was their business, but I was not going to be involved in it and I didn't want to smell it off their rank rotten breath when they get in the car and breathe in my direction. I think smokers often forget, or do not realise just how sensitive the smell is for a non-smoker. If its not that, its their manky dirty stinking yellow tinged fingers that would make me sick. If they wanted the luxury of being able to smoke in their own vehicle, I suggested they saved and bought one. Its odd that whenever I ask for them to contribute to the fuel costs, they are skint, yet they always seem to have a pack of fags in their pocket. It is just another example of the selfish mentality of smokers in general, dirty stinking peasants.

Amazing how you say smokers are polluting the atmosphere but you are helping to pollute the atmosphere for others by driving. What about the poor children who have no choice but to breath in your horrible skanky petrol/diesel fumes full of poisons and cancer causing carcinogenics.

endacl · 18-05-2014 12:47PM

Your car, your choice. I'm not sure what the relevance is, though.

When I smoked, I didn't smoke in the car, and wouldn't let anybody else smoke. Lots of people don't. I wouldn't smoke in the house either. Nobody wants a smelly house.

rotun · 18-05-2014 12:48PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Amazing how you say smokers are polluting the atmosphere but you are helping to pollute the atmosphere for others by driving. What about the poor children who have no choice but to breath in your horrible skanky petrol/diesel fumes full of poisons and cancer causing carcinogenics.

hope you charged your device with solar power!

TireeTerror · 18-05-2014 12:51PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Amazing how you say smokers are polluting the atmosphere but you are helping to pollute the atmosphere for others by driving. What about the poor children who have no choice but to breath in your horrible skanky petrol/diesel fumes full of poisons and cancer causing carcinogenics.

The irony is that I made those journeys in my Land Rover when I could have used my company car which has about 3 times better fuel economy. The journey was also 100% on the road too, with no need for 4 wheel drive and low ratio gearboxes!

The reality is that in rural areas we need to use vehicles for travel and work, but you do not need to smoke. I suppose I could give my cars up and then claim welfare and sit at home all day, but that would create another problem.

Muise... · 18-05-2014 12:52PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Amazing how you say smokers are polluting the atmosphere but you are helping to pollute the atmosphere for others by driving. What about the poor children who have no choice but to breath in your horrible skanky petrol/diesel fumes full of poisons and cancer causing carcinogenics.

Not to mention the reeking stink of righteousness parping from his/her ass. Thanks for polluting the thread, TireeTerror. :mad:

endacl · 18-05-2014 12:55PM

TireeTerror wrote: »

The reality is that in rural areas we need to use vehicles for travel and work, but you do not need to smoke. I suppose I could give my cars up and then claim welfare and sit at home all day, but that would create another problem.

Now that's just silly. Make a pertinent and relevant point. I dare you.

ratmouse · 18-05-2014 12:57PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

but, more people have STOPPED smoking real cigs and eventually e cig , by using e cigs to wean themselves of the dreaded nicotine, i know loads of people who have given up real and e cigs , becasue of e cig use,
and becasue of all the knee jerk , un educated reactions to people using e cigs , we will get the stupid politicians banning the e cigs to try win a few votes , becasue a vocal MINORITY are banging on about their use ,
so the result will be MORE people unfortunately ending up like your father becasue they were not given the chance to quit , becasue the proven , working cessation aide has been banned by idiots .

e cigs work getting people off cigarettes - people should stop jumping on the band wagon about banning the feckin things and we will ALL be better off

this subject drives me mental - over a decade i tried EVERYTHING to quit , nothing worked , not even a heart attack , but e cigs worked first go , cigarette free3 years , e cig free also

people should get their head out of the arse , and stop being so quick to ban something they know little or nothing about

Seriously man, you'd want to practice what you preach in terms of knowing little ot nothing about a subject. Do you have any grasp at all about how the tobacco world works?! The e cigs are not designed to wean people off regular cigarettes. They are a (for now anyway), a legal substitute for a regular cigarette that can be smoked legally in many specified places (legal term). They still release a good nicotine hit and enough to keep a user addicted. They are designed to be an attractive product, made even more so by the various flavours available. The young may be a target for these, never take up actually smoking but take up use of ecigs and be subject to enough of a nicotine release to get them and keep them hooked.

bumper234 · 18-05-2014 01:01PM

rotun wrote: »

hope you charged your device with solar power!

Wind power, i have 82,000 of these in my back garden powering my home

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hatrickpatrick · 18-05-2014 01:02PM

You guys got there first. They chose to sit next to you. Presumably they already knew you were smoking before they sat down?

I don't know how some people (not everyone, but some people) suddenly start imagining that the entire world revolves around them as soon as they have kids.

lollsangel · 18-05-2014 01:02PM

Afroshack wrote: »

Is this socially acceptable? Yesterday I was having after-work drinks and food in a really sunny beer garden with some work friends - around half 7 in the evening. A family with small children came out and sat next to us, then requested that we stop smoking whilst they were there with their kids. In an outdoor beer garden. We agreed to do it, but it was pretty clear we weren't happy about it. Do you think they were right to request that we not smoke and we were right to make our feelings clear? Id' never smoke near a child at a bus stop/ street area but surely a beer garden at 7pm is fair game?

Heres my 2 cents. Both me andmy partner are ex smokers and have 2 almost 5 year olds. Firstly they have been in a pub pub once in theid life for the sandwiches after their greatgrandads funeral. To us pubs are for adults and really not for kids. As far as I would be concerned with any communal outside areas, if youre there before me and have the fags on the table or smoking, I wouldnt be sitting beside you with my kids, fairly sure theres more than 2 tables. However id let rip if you seeing young kids, decided to sit beside me and the kids and sparked up. The wirld would be a better place if we just accepted each other foibles and had mutual respect .

bumper234 · 18-05-2014 01:05PM

TireeTerror wrote: »

The irony is that I made those journeys in my Land Rover when I could have used my company car which has about 3 times better fuel economy. The journey was also 100% on the road too, with no need for 4 wheel drive and low ratio gearboxes!

The reality is that in rural areas we need to use vehicles for travel and work, but you do not need to smoke. I suppose I could give my cars up and then claim welfare and sit at home all day, but that would create another problem.

No one forces you to.live in a rural.area same way no one forces you to stay near smokers in the great outdoors. One option solves both issues........move somewhere else.

pablomakaveli · 18-05-2014 01:05PM

Agree OP should have held his ground. Really cheeky behaviour from those peopleto say that.

But it's not like the kids are going to develop lung cancer from being near a smoker outside. I grew up before the smoking ban when restaurants and pubs were full of smoke and it never caused me any harm.

Afroshack · 18-05-2014 01:13PM

TireeTerror wrote: »

The irony is that I made those journeys in my Land Rover when I could have used my company car which has about 3 times better fuel economy. The journey was also 100% on the road too, with no need for 4 wheel drive and low ratio gearboxes!

The reality is that in rural areas we need to use vehicles for travel and work, but you do not need to smoke. I suppose I could give my cars up and then claim welfare and sit at home all day, but that would create another problem.

You could walk/cycle to work and use the money you saved on petrol to start smoking. An expensive, yet utterly glorious habit sometimes.

Bongalongherb · 18-05-2014 01:17PM

I would have said the same myself... I would have just told them NO, you shouldn't be bringing your kids to a beer garden, and when they asked me not to smoke, I would have told them no, if you don't like it move to another part of the beer garden. Idiot parents, I pity their kids.

Afroshack · 18-05-2014 01:19PM

lollsangel wrote: »

Heres my 2 cents. Both me andmy partner are ex smokers and have 2 almost 5 year olds. Firstly they have been in a pub pub once in theid life for the sandwiches after their greatgrandads funeral. To us pubs are for adults and really not for kids. As far as I would be concerned with any communal outside areas, if youre there before me and have the fags on the table or smoking, I wouldnt be sitting beside you with my kids, fairly sure theres more than 2 tables. However id let rip if you seeing young kids, decided to sit beside me and the kids and sparked up. The wirld would be a better place if we just accepted each other foibles and had mutual respect .

But the point is that you chose to sit in a smoking area. Where everyone is allowed to smoke and there is an ashtray on every table. If you knew people were likely to smoke here and they were there because they were allowed to light up, why should they be prevented from doing so because you, knowing it was a smoking area, knowing there were ashtrays scattered around and knowing that people were they specifically so they could smoke - why would you sit there and 'let rip' at the rest of us?

TireeTerror · 18-05-2014 01:22PM

Afroshack wrote: »

You could walk/cycle to work and use the money you saved on petrol to start smoking. An expensive, yet utterly glorious habit sometimes.

Walk or cycle? I have a bike, but I think cycling about 100-250km every single day might take too long!

If smoking is allowed, then we should be allowed to take any other form or drugs such as cocaine and mdma. In for a penny, in for a pound!

fathead82 · 18-05-2014 01:22PM

I think kids should not be allowed in smoking areas.
On paddys day,i was in the smoking area & there was kids running everywhere banging into peoples legs,tables etc. The kids are not in danger of getting lung cancer but if im standing up talking im holding my cigarette at eye level to a 4 year old.
If some fanta filled little f*cker bangs into my cigarette & get burned in the eye or face,im the one who is public enemy number 1.

crockholm · 18-05-2014 01:27PM

I thought that part of the truce in the smoking ban was that smokers would have the right to smoke outside (they should even have priority,since non-smokers have the fresh farty smell of the pub all to themselves). If the pub allows smoking in the beer garden then what d fook gives other people the right to overturn the owners wishes.

The parents could have been more pragmatic and sensible,but chose not to-next time,op, tell the kids that smoking makes you look cool and blow a few smoke rings.

I'm a non-smoker btw.

TireeTerror · 18-05-2014 01:27PM

fathead82 wrote: »

fanta filled little f*cker .

Im going to remember this one, a classic!

endacl · 18-05-2014 01:28PM

TireeTerror wrote: »

Walk or cycle? I have a bike, but I think cycling about 100-250km every single day might take too long!

That's your commute? Feck. No wonder you're grumpy!

Pwindedd · 18-05-2014 01:29PM

ratmouse wrote: »

Seriously man, you'd want to practice what you preach in terms of knowing little ot nothing about a subject. Do you have any grasp at all about how the tobacco world works?! The e cigs are not designed to wean people off regular cigarettes. They are a (for now anyway), a legal substitute for a regular cigarette that can be smoked legally in many specified places (legal term). They still release a good nicotine hit and enough to keep a user addicted. They are designed to be an attractive product, made even more so by the various flavours available. The young may be a target for these, never take up actually smoking but take up use of ecigs and be subject to enough of a nicotine release to get them and keep them hooked.

But is nicotine harmful on its own. Addictive certainly, but really harmful? I'm not actually sure. A quick google there and the consensus seems to be it's not much worse than caffeine in small doses. The entire coffee industry thrives on selling a drug that is mildly addictive. I'm not advocating nicotine for all but surely an e cig is a vastly better alternative. All the fun ingredients of a cigarette with none of the bad stuff that gives you cancer. It's a step in the right direction and I think banning them would be a mistake - if they didn't release vapour I'm sure most people wouldn't bat an eyelid at them.

ratmouse · 18-05-2014 01:48PM

Pwindedd wrote: »

But is nicotine harmful on its own. Addictive certainly, but really harmful? I'm not actually sure. A quick google there and the consensus seems to be it's not much worse than caffeine in small doses. The entire coffee industry thrives on selling a drug that is mildly addictive. I'm not advocating nicotine for all but surely an e cig is a vastly better alternative. All the fun ingredients of a cigarette with none of the bad stuff that gives you cancer. It's a step in the right direction and I think banning them would be a mistake - if they didn't release vapour I'm sure most people wouldn't bat an eyelid at them.

I personally would run with the scientific facts of what I know from medical/toxicology background rather than a reliance on info from a Yahooo-style site.

lollsangel · 18-05-2014 02:11PM

Afroshack wrote: »

But the point is that you chose to sit in a smoking area. Where everyone is allowed to smoke and there is an ashtray on every table. If you knew people were likely to smoke here and they were there because they were allowed to light up, why should they be prevented from doing so because you, knowing it was a smoking area, knowing there were ashtrays scattered around and knowing that people were they specifically so they could smoke - why would you sit there and 'let rip' at the rest of us?

I didnt say in a smoking area, I said in A COMMUNAL OUTSIDE AREA, and in fairness anyone who would sit down beside a young child and smoke is a twat!

Smoking near kids in beer garden

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