Smoking near kids in beer garden

Dublinstiofán · 17-05-2014 07:37PM

endacl wrote: »

The Old Orchard does in Rathfarnham does. A whole separate
section in the beer garden, in fact. Also, if you want to quit and don't like the temptation
of the smell, don't go outside.

I meant in Dublin City.

Also not really very practical advice, if your quitting don't go outside! You have no choice
but to go in and out of anywhere.

endacl wrote: »

It was your choice to start smoking. It's also your choice to stop. It's nobody else's responsibility
to accommodate your quitting.

I'm not asking anybody to. And your reinforcing my the point i'm making. There is no choice,
every beer garden is a smoking area. And in my opinion, everybody should be accommodated
not just smokers/non smokers.

bumper234 · 17-05-2014 07:38PM

Tin Foil Hat wrote: »

No, it isn't. Which is why most sensible parents would be unlikely to stay in a place with messy drunks.
People really need to learn analyse their surroundings and act accordingly. Nobody should say, "I'm entitled to have my kids here, so I will, no matter what", or, "I'm entitled to smoke here, so I will, no matter what".
You don't light a ciggie two feet from a child.

I agree, on the flip side you don't deliberately expose those children to smoke by bringing them into an area where people are smoking.

poundapunnet · 17-05-2014 07:43PM

Tin Foil Hat wrote: »

No, it isn't. Which is why most sensible parents would be unlikely to stay in a place with messy drunks.
People really need to learn analyse their surroundings and act accordingly. Nobody should say, "I'm entitled to have my kids here, so I will, no matter what", or, "I'm entitled to smoke here, so I will, no matter what".
You don't light a ciggie two feet from a child.

I would say the vast majority of people avoid smoking around children, you're very wide of the point here. The OP stopped smoking when asked to, the sense of entitlement seems to have been all on the side of the parents of the kids.

suicide_circus · 17-05-2014 07:55PM

This kind of guff needs to be confronted and stopped. What next? Children up in da club? Children in all male adult saunas?

endacl · 17-05-2014 07:59PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

This kind of guff needs to be confronted and stopped. What next? Children up in da club? Children in all male adult saunas?

Wimmenz at de forty foot?!?!?

:eek:

the groutch · 17-05-2014 08:17PM

Have never smoked, and hate 2nd hand smoke.
But smokers should be allowed to smoke wherever they like once it complies with the law.

AulBiddy · 17-05-2014 10:40PM

Non smoker here with an entire non smoking family. For Jesus sake, where are smokers supposed to go if they want to have a drink and of course have a fag? They've already been kicked outside because of the smoking ban and they are complying to it. If you don't want your kids exposed to smoke where people are CLEARLY going to smoke then stay inside where there is no smoke if you're that concerned. I've no problem with kids being in pubs either, granted the parents aren't getting hammered and letting their kids run amok, but if they don't like it leave their kids at home.

guppy · 17-05-2014 11:23PM

Dublinstiofán wrote: »

However my issue with this is that since the ban every beer garden in the country
has defaulted to a smoking area by design. What if your giving up and want a few beers
in the fresh air without being reminded every two seconds that you crave that sweet sweet
nicotine? You've really nowhere to go in that case. I don't know one pub in Dublin that has
non smoking tables outside which would be only fair for all.

A breadth of fresh air no longer exists in Dublin either. No matter where you go outside
theres somebody smoking.

Because outdoors hasn't yet been regulated. Smokers can smoke, legally, if they want.

I've a son, sometimes we take him to the local for a Friday/Sunday evening dinner. To us, it's a reataurant. He loves the food, we enjoy ourselves. We go early, we leave early, cos it's also a pub and really I don't want to see drunks and they don't want to see kids.

If people accepted that there is no one place for everyone to be it would be great.

Some places are for kids, some places are family friendly, til a certain time, some places are aimed at drinking adults. That is life.

ratmouse · 17-05-2014 11:59PM

It's entirely up to the parents to protect their children from cigarette smoke and they should do so by completely avoiding areas where they know people will be smoking. I am hugely anti smoking btw but until such time as Ireland is tobacco free, the duty is on those parents to keep kids away from the smoke and not the smoke away from the kids, if that makes sense?

The Th!ng · 18-05-2014 01:01AM

Taking one last long drag on his cigarette, the OP should have stubbed it out in the nearest child's ear.

mdwexford · 18-05-2014 02:02AM

Think I'll take up smoking just so I can tell these types to go fcuk themselves.

willmunny1990 · 18-05-2014 02:23AM

WilyCoyote · 18-05-2014 02:38AM

I find it very hard to believe the opening post.

PLL · 18-05-2014 03:15AM

What about children attending an event in a pub/hotel and want to be outside? I was just wondering the opinion on this? I don't agree with the parents telling you to stop at all,and I don't ever socially take my child to the pub. But at an event my child could be out side on a nice day with us (albeit not at 7pm) is this wrong?

Mickey H · 18-05-2014 04:58AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr8Jw-VYflY

mcko · 18-05-2014 09:18AM

I hate smoking my dad died at 53 from lung cancer, but children have no place in a pub end of story. I hate people smoking in pub doorways as well. I generally find smokers selfish to be honest, you can't enjoy a meal of a drink outside a pub or a cafe on a nice day as you will be choked with smoke.
I know we have smokers rights ect, but if you want to damage your health thats ok but don't damage mine.I work with 2 smokers who really want to give them up but can't, I understand it is a terrible addiction but thats not my fault.
Smoking should be banned at tables outside serving food.
Don't get me started on e cigs inside.

Wibbs · 18-05-2014 09:59AM

WilyCoyote wrote: »

I find it very hard to believe the opening post.

I don't. Had similar happen to me about a year or so after the smoking ban came in(only this was minus kids). A few hollow chested holier than thou types including a bint with the faux cough for effect. One of the tools actually used the word "rights". That was enough for me. However I'm not nearly so polite as the OP and if they thought some social pressure was gonna have an effect they were sorely mistaken. I strongly and calmly suggested they perform an act of self coitus and go elsewhere. Which they did.

Firstly Mcko I'm genuinely sorry to hear about your dad.

mcko wrote:

Don't get me started on e cigs inside.

The risk of secondhand smoke is low enough, vanishingly low in an outside environment, the risk from "secondhand vapour" is effectively nil. Any effect is entirely psychosomatic in nature.

SterlingArcher · 18-05-2014 10:26AM

Well it would be really interesting to see if they legalized cannabis. would smokers be annoyed having to share their smoking area with cannabis smokers. complaining about the smell and possible health effects , making them feel sick.

On a side note. Op you were punked. A couple of kids made you do what you were told. Practically bent yous over and made you lick white dog poop. (step brothers style).

Hande hoche! · 18-05-2014 10:31AM

SterlingArcher wrote: »

Well it would be really interesting to see if they legalized cannabis. would smokers be annoyed having to share their smoking area with cannabis smokers. complaining about the smell and possible health effects , making them feel sick.

I would imagine they would coexist peacefully. I haven't see people smoking cigarettes get annoyed at anyone lighting up a pipe or a cigar.

dj jarvis · 18-05-2014 10:32AM

mcko wrote: »

I hate smoking my dad died at 53 from lung cancer, but children have no place in a pub end of story. I hate people smoking in pub doorways as well. I generally find smokers selfish to be honest, you can't enjoy a meal of a drink outside a pub or a cafe on a nice day as you will be choked with smoke.
I know we have smokers rights ect, but if you want to damage your health thats ok but don't damage mine.I work with 2 smokers who really want to give them up but can't, I understand it is a terrible addiction but thats not my fault.
Smoking should be banned at tables outside serving food.
Don't get me started on e cigs inside.

but, more people have STOPPED smoking real cigs and eventually e cig , by using e cigs to wean themselves of the dreaded nicotine, i know loads of people who have given up real and e cigs , becasue of e cig use,
and becasue of all the knee jerk , un educated reactions to people using e cigs , we will get the stupid politicians banning the e cigs to try win a few votes , becasue a vocal MINORITY are banging on about their use ,
so the result will be MORE people unfortunately ending up like your father becasue they were not given the chance to quit , becasue the proven , working cessation aide has been banned by idiots .

e cigs work getting people off cigarettes - people should stop jumping on the band wagon about banning the feckin things and we will ALL be better off

this subject drives me mental - over a decade i tried EVERYTHING to quit , nothing worked , not even a heart attack , but e cigs worked first go , cigarette free3 years , e cig free also

people should get their head out of the arse , and stop being so quick to ban something they know little or nothing about

TireeTerror · 18-05-2014 10:36AM

All of the people who smoke should be lined up and the kids can throw stones at them until they die a slow and painful death. Thats what smoking causes anyway, so there is no difference. BAN SMOKING EVERYWHERE.

dj jarvis · 18-05-2014 10:40AM

TireeTerror wrote: »

All of the people who smoke should be lined up and the kids can throw stones at them until they die a slow and painful death. Thats what smoking causes anyway, so there is no difference. BAN SMOKING EVERYWHERE.

ok , so using your logic , we should line up car drivers also , they cause more toxins to be released into the atmosphere than smokers smoking outside could EVER do , then we line up people who have taken a flight , ever , as we know air travel is a HUGE pollutant , then we can line up people who have eaten kiwifruit and pineapples as they have to be flow into the country , on ? yes you guessed it , polluting air travel , i could go on all day , your point is stupid
everyone knows smoking kills , so your answer is to let children stone them to death - classy

BAN CARS , BUSES , PLANES AND FARTING :rolleyes:

SterlingArcher · 18-05-2014 10:41AM

Hande hoche! wrote: »

I would imagine they would coexist peacefully. I haven't see people smoking cigarettes get annoyed at anyone lighting up a pipe or a cigar.

Maybe , maybe not. a Pipe and cigar would be seen as "socially acceptable". Not considered by most, as doing drugs.

bette · 18-05-2014 10:42AM

These damned playgrounds selling beer and spirits!

Nearly as bad as those B&Q playgrounds selling hardware. Disgraceful.

Horrid brats!

Hande hoche! · 18-05-2014 10:42AM

SterlingArcher wrote: »

Maybe , maybe not. a Pipe and cigar would be seen as "socially acceptable". Not considered by most, as doing drugs.

That's a fair point. I have friend from Colorado, must ask him his experience.

Cee-Jay-Cee · 18-05-2014 10:45AM

You would have been well entitled to tell them to fcuk off home with they're children, this is a pub not a kindergarten school but unfortunately you failed to do so and now those Feckers think it's fair game to take children into a smoking area of a pub and to ask people to stop smoking.

MonkstownHoop · 18-05-2014 10:51AM

CJC999 wrote: »

You would have been well entitled to tell them to fcuk off home with they're children, this is a pub not a kindergarten school but unfortunately you failed to do so and now those Feckers think it's fair game to take children into a smoking area of a pub and to ask people to stop smoking.

That's the worst thing, that and the fact their kids will be instilled with their parents attitude aswell

SterlingArcher · 18-05-2014 10:55AM

MonkstownHoop wrote: »

That's the worst thing, that and the fact their kids will be instilled with their parents attitude aswell

Go into a playground, light up a smoke and tell the kids to get out. Essentially the same difference.

The Hill Billy · 18-05-2014 11:10AM

MadLadRanting wrote: »

All of the people who smoke should be lined up and the kids can throw The Stones at them until they die a slow and painful death. Hallucinations - Thats what smoking causes in my head, so there is no difference. BAN KI MOON EVERYWHERE.

Skinny & all as Mick, Keith & the others are - I sincerely doubt if a child could throw a Stone very far. And certainly not hard enough to kill even the frailest of smokers.

5uspect · 18-05-2014 11:33AM

fussyonion wrote: »

I also hate these people who walk past the entrance to a pub, waving their hands at the cigarette smoke and muttering "I wish they'd smoke somewhere else." WHERE?!

You have to smoke 3 metres away from a doorway at least.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoking_in_Ireland#Bans_on_smoking

Smoking near kids in beer garden

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