Season 4 Episode 6 "The Laws of Gods and Men": HAVENT read the books MOD NOTE POST1

Gadgie · 13-05-2014 09:51AM

Bacchus wrote: »

Ramsay is a wonderful psycho. WTF with all the scratches on his body presumably from his romp in the bed.

I think they were just blood sprays from fighting the Ironborn (i.e. their blood, not his).

Robbo · 13-05-2014 09:53AM

castletownman wrote: »

I know I'm officially gripped to GoT when I find myself looking up medieval law to find out the parameters of trial by combat.

DerekDGoldfish wrote: »

"
Because the common law of the Thirteen Colonies separated from that of English when the colonies declared independence in 1776, the English common law in effect at that time remained entrenched in United States federal law and in the law of most states, except where the appropriate American authority (e.g., a state or federal legislature or court) had abolished a given rule. Specifically, even if the British legislature or judiciary changed English common law on a given point, that change is not binding on American authorities.
Because Britain did not abolish wager by battle until Parliament's 1819 response to Ashford v Thornton (1818), and because no court in post-independence United States has addressed the issue, the question of whether trial by combat remains a valid American alternative to civil action remains open, at least in theory"

Interesting, although you would probably get the death penalty just for requesting it.

It seems that Trial By Combat is no longer an option in the UK where minor motoring offences are concerned.

kryogen · 13-05-2014 09:54AM

Optimalprimerib wrote: »

As varys repeated 1000 times he serves the realm and will do what he sees best for that. In this case joffrey's death was what was best but now he wants closure whether he believes tyrion did it or not.

That scene with oberyn spoke a thousand words as well when he was asked what he was interested in, he just glances at the throne. He wants to control the seven kingdoms and knows that he can never be king so he controls it from behind the scenes.

I enjoyed tywin sitting on the throne as well proving who is the true ruler (for quite a while as well) even when robert was king.

Theons rescue was very disappointing. It didnt really show how they escaped or why ramsey let them. He is such a sinister bastard you would think more yorure victims would be like christmas to him. It also shows poor theons affliction with stockholm syndrome again. Really has no back bone. This will he the third time he has switched sides.

I wonder what episode 9 will be this season as the moneyshot episode. The attack on castle black? Stannis' second attempt on king's landing?

As for the trial by combat I unfortunately clicked into the "have" read the books, so know who the sponsors are.

Attack on Castle Black Id say, Stannis is no where near ready for a return to the battle yet really, cant see them speeding up that storyline quick enough to get there in time

This season will probably give some sort of pay off to the Jon Snow story, or well, the Castle Black/Wildlings/Nightwatch one I think. It seems to be building to a climax there

kryogen · 13-05-2014 10:03AM

Gadgie wrote: »

I think they were just blood sprays from fighting the Ironborn (i.e. their blood, not his).

I prefer to think its because he did something Ramsey like to his bed companion!

bren2001 · 13-05-2014 10:05AM

A decent episode. A lot of it could have been shortened, especially the Iron Bank stuff, while it was interesting, I don't see why it needed more than a minute or two. That extra time should have been spent on Theon and how Yara escaped.

I think the trial by combat will be Oberyn v Jaime. If Oberyn wins, he gets some revenge on Tywin. The Mountain would be far too forced as they would have to delay the trial. If Tyrion wins, what does he do? He has just told Kings Landing he would have liked to kill them and the King. He has challenged Tywin. He can hardly just waltz about Westeros. Does he go to Bravos or Winterfell (through Sansa of course)? All assuming he wins.

Mr. CooL ICE · 13-05-2014 10:27AM

Mace really is a weak, weak individual

Doodah7 · 13-05-2014 10:41AM

Grimebox wrote: »

Please don't discuss it

I agree. However, I am also saying that whoever sets up this equivalent thread for that episode shouldn't put the name of the episode in the title as has been the norm up to now.

calex71 · 13-05-2014 11:09AM

Guys please take the time to read the note I have added to the OP

Don't worry no one is getting flayed ...... this week

But please keep this note in mind going forward.

duploelabs · 13-05-2014 11:12AM

On thing is bothering me, the colossus that stands over Bravos has a broken sword, is that an intentional nod to Syrio Forel and how his wooden sword ended up with his scrap with Ser Meryn Trant???

bren2001 · 13-05-2014 11:17AM

duploelabs wrote: »

On thing is bothering me, the colossus that stands over Bravos has a broken sword, is that an intentional nod to Syrio Forel and how his wooden sword ended up with his scrap with Ser Meryn Trant???

No, Syrio was the first sword of Bravos for a period of time (9 years?) but has nothing to do with that statue. That is the Titan of Bravos, I don't think the story has been explained in the TV show yet.

Link to wiki page: http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Titan_of_Braavos

GerB40 · 13-05-2014 11:23AM

LordChessington wrote: »

Mace really is a weak, weak individual

Lady Olenna (his own mother) doesn't call him the "Oaf of Highgarden" for no reason.. He's a brown nosing little bóllix isn't he?

snausages · 13-05-2014 11:26AM

Great episode, but I hope they kill this Ramsay Snow plot soon. It's boring.

Mr. CooL ICE · 13-05-2014 11:27AM

GerB40 wrote: »

Lady Olenna (his own mother) doesn't call him the "Oaf of Highgarden" for no reason.. He's a brown nosing little bóllix isn't he?

"Mace, fetch me some ink and parchment"

duploelabs · 13-05-2014 11:28AM

bren2001 wrote: »

No, Syrio was the first sword of Bravos for a period of time (9 years?) but has nothing to do with that statue. That is the Titan of Bravos, I don't think the story has been explained in the TV show yet.

Link to wiki page: http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Titan_of_Braavos

Yeah I know that, but there's nothing written as to why the sword is broken on the titan

wp_rathead · 13-05-2014 11:33AM

LordChessington wrote: »

Mace really is a weak, weak individual

The difference between him and Oberyn at the Council was hilarious - way Mace was so proud to be there, thanking Theyrin at the start and struting to get ink and quill as if greatest honor in kingdom. Then ya have Obeyrn who was slouched in his chair, didnt stand as Teyrin entered and complained about the meeting being held so early

Clareman · 13-05-2014 11:35AM

Great episode to move things on, real cliff hanger type episode, who'll be in combat? What's Stannis up to?

I think Stannis is going down the pirate route. Also, having the Hound with a massive bounty on his head will make their trek very interesting.

Grimebox · 13-05-2014 12:14PM

snausages wrote: »

Great episode, but I hope they kill this Ramsay Snow plot soon. It's boring.

:eek:

snausages · 13-05-2014 12:23PM

lbj666 wrote: »

Guys, what episode before was it mentioned that Jorrah was sent to spy on Danerys or have i just missed something glaringly obvious all all along.

It was probably only mentioned ages back in season 1. I don't remember but I only know that he was sent to spy from the 100 odd or so pages I read of the first book.

K_user · 13-05-2014 12:39PM

snausages wrote: »

It was probably only mentioned ages back in season 1. I don't remember but I only know that he was sent to spy from the 100 odd or so pages I read of the first book.

It was mentioned in season one that he had been a spy.

In the episode were Dany was almost poisoned he got a message from the spider, congratulating him on a job well done and that he could come home, as he was now pardoned. King Robert and Ned had a falling out over having Dany killed, the attempted poisoning was the result.

But Jorrah, on seeing the note, knew he had to make a choice. Guessing that the wine merchant was up to something the choice was made.

K_user · 13-05-2014 12:52PM

Good episode, not trilling in places, but interesting.

Stannis's trip to the bank was revealing, and a plot builder, nothing else.

Dany's gave us an insight to how tedious being a queen can be. Far more interesting to be kicking a$$ and taking names. The dragon problem will probably have to be resolved soon too. It was good to see her soft side coming though again. Can't see Joff, Robert, or Stannis being so kind, or forgiving.

Loved the small council meeting. The contrast between Mace and Oberyn was well played. And of course Tywin was great, yet again tut-tuting his children's decisions, this time over Ser Barristan. You could see the wheels turning and you know that he instantly had a plan in mind. What will he write with that ink and parchment?

Tywin was fantastic in the trial scene as well. His conversation with Jamie proving that he had the whole thing planned out from the start.

Course Tyrion had other ideas. Have to say it was heart breaking watching that whole sequence.

*Completely forgot the non event that was the Ironborns rescue attempt. What a waste of time that was!

duploelabs · 13-05-2014 12:57PM

bren2001 wrote: »

No, Syrio was the first sword of Bravos for a period of time (9 years?) but has nothing to do with that statue. That is the Titan of Bravos, I don't think the story has been explained in the TV show yet.

Link to wiki page: http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Titan_of_Braavos

In the books, the titan holds a latern, that's why I ask

bren2001 · 13-05-2014 01:08PM

duploelabs wrote: »

In the books, the titan holds a latern, that's why I ask

It hasn't been explained in the TV show. There is very little else that can be said.

Did Melisandre tell Stannis to go North a few episodes ago? Presumably it will be Mance Raider v Stannis, if Stannis wins the North should rally around him.

mightyreds · 13-05-2014 01:15PM

kryogen wrote: »

I prefer to think its because he did something Ramsey like to his bed companion!

I thought he walked in with the blood on him too I could be wrong! The attempted rescue was such a non event I think they ran cause as she said her brother is already dead no point trying anymore to rescue him.
As it is how is it gonna be believable when he shows up ready to bed back in to his family as its likely that's gonna happen.

duploelabs · 13-05-2014 01:29PM

bren2001 wrote: »

It hasn't been explained in the TV show. There is very little else that can be said.

Did Melisandre tell Stannis to go North a few episodes ago? Presumably it will be Mance Raider v Stannis, if Stannis wins the North should rally around him.

She said (and I'm paraphrasing) that the real battle was in the north with the white walker army and the war of the seven kings was insignificant

OneOfThem Stumbled · 13-05-2014 02:07PM

J. Marston wrote: »

Wasn't a fan of the Ironborn attack. Before she set out last season, Yara made a big speech about how she was going to march on the Dreadfort and save her little brother and then she made a another speech last night about how being Ironborn means nothing if they don't save Theon.

I know Theon seems totally lost but the climax of the Ironborn running away from some dogs was a let-down.

If Game of Thrones has taught us anything it's

"DON'T TAKE THE FINAL SCENE OF A SERIES VERY SERIOUSLY"

S1 ending: DRAGONS!
S2 beginning: How you like the Red Waste?
S2 ending: Get ready for big **** north of the Wall!
S2 beginning: How you like the White Waste?
S2 ending: Okay finally we're gonna get an enormous battle between White Walkers and Night's Watch. This is going to be so cool!
S3 beginning: Well we got... half a wright vs Sam. Hmm.
S3 ending: Ironborn Vs Boltons! Hold onto your hats!

Degag · 13-05-2014 04:58PM

Is a trial by combat a fight to the death?

Just thinking someone doesn't necessarily have to die.... then again, this is GoT!

fearrua · 13-05-2014 05:06PM

Thought that was a pretty good episode, loved Tyrion's outburst at the end, although I'm getting more and more concerned that he's going to get killed off like... well like just about everyone. Thought it was good that Stannis looks like he's going to return to prominence, mostly because I like the Onion Knight rather than anything else. I'm getting closer and closer to feeling sorry for Theon too, although every time I do I just remind myself of what he did to Winterfell, the d*ck...

calex71 · 13-05-2014 05:11PM

Guys no book discussion in this thread , it has no bearing on the TV show !!!!! Further discussion will lead to infractions being handed out

Ole Rodrigo · 13-05-2014 05:29PM

wprathead wrote: »

Forgot to say how cool it was to see Mark Gatiss in this episode!!

Ahh..was just gonna post the same thing, thought I'd better read through just in case someone spotted it.:pac:

K_user · 13-05-2014 05:53PM

Degag wrote: »

Is a trial by combat a fight to the death?

Just thinking someone doesn't necessarily have to die.... then again, this is GoT!

Yes, its a fight to the death.

Tyrion needs to find someone willing to die to prove his innocence. And he can't promise to pay, because his father won't foot the bill.

On the plus side, its hard to fix a fight, without outright cheating that is.

The big question is what happens to Tyrion if he's found guilty? He's managed to p*ss off most of his family, by refusing to take the fall for murdering Joff. He has p*ssed off the high society of Kings Landing by saying that he'd happily poison the lot of them. And he's watched all of the people around him publicly lie about him.

Take away his fathers gold and he's a small, hated, man.

Ironic that Joff's death has lead to the public persecution of the least two faced person in the entire city!

Season 4 Episode 6 "The Laws of Gods and Men": *HAVENT* read the books MOD NOTE POST1

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Season 4 Episode 6 "The Laws of Gods and Men": HAVENT read the books MOD NOTE POST1