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Minister Hogan

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  • #32
    greenman09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭greenman09


    The man is a joke. Just wanted to throw something at him when he was on TV. Didn't want use my water charge money on a new tv.


  • #33
    Maphisto
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,014 ✭✭✭Maphisto


    shopaholic01 wrote: »
    You can be imprisoned if you refuse to pay for a TV license - over 400 were either this year or last year. I was half listening to the radio in the car, so don't have exact details.

    You receive fines for not paying motor tax, and your car can be impounded if it's more than 2 months out of date.

    Well I think its only persistent offenders that end up in prison for TVL offences in most cases its a fine.

    But I think you make my point for me. For things that you can do without there's a fine. You can't really do without water.


  • #34
    donegal__road
    Closed Accounts Posts: 953 ✭✭✭donegal__road


    If your water is reduced to a trickle, leave it running all night connected to a large water container and you will have your days water supply when you get up the next morning.

    Seriously, they really aren't thinking this through. I call BS on the minister's statement.


  • #35
    Sh1tbag OToole
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭Sh1tbag OToole


    They always wheel out hogan when there is bad news to be brought, presumably so the rest can keep their noses clean and he'll be pensioned off shortly or sent off to some other cushy number. Maybe Irish Water themselves will take him on


  • #36
    shopaholic01
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,916 ✭✭✭shopaholic01


    Maphisto wrote: »
    Well I think its only persistent offenders that end up in prison for TVL offences in most cases its a fine.

    But I think you make my point for me. For things that you can do without there's a fine. You can't really do without water.
    That's why it's an easy target. Like I've said previously, I'm not defending it and I'd rather not have to pay it.


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  • #37
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    well they have to have some kind of penalty for non payment


  • #38
    Tail Docker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    Gringo180 wrote: »
    PEOPLE who do not pay their water charges will have their supply reduced to 'a trickle', Environment Minister Phil Hogan has warned.!

    Cobblers. Some people will have their water supply reduced to a trickle, probably the nice, decent, hard working types strapped for cash. Others won't - the not so nice, "stone the vans and slash the tyres" types in areas the gardai think twice about going into and who would turn it back up anyway, so why bother. So once again, the middle will be squeezed, the top and bottom ignored. I have a well and pump. Jam it up your hoop, Hoges.


  • #39
    Borderfox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,265 ✭✭✭✭Borderfox


    Santa Cruz wrote: »
    Frank Dunlop. Born Kilkenny
    Patrick Neary. Born Kilkenny
    Phil Hogan. Born Kilkenny.

    Anyone see a trend here?

    Yeah three f***ing c**ts


  • #40
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    well they have to have some kind of penalty for non payment

    Why?

    It's been paid for via income tax, vat and commercial rates for years.
    None of them are being reduced by the same amount the water tax will be.

    Isn't that penalty enough?


  • #41
    robertxxx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭robertxxx


    Unless revenue are collecting this money IM not going to pay it, simple!

    I will remove the whole black plastic housing these meters are in and will fill it over with cement, f them cunnts.


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  • #42
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,787 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    If anyone wants to interpret the legislation this is what it says about non payment.

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2013/en/act/pub/0050/print.html

    21. (1) Subject to subsection (6), Irish Water shall charge each customer for the provision by it of water services

    (2) The amount of a charge under subsection (1) shall be calculated by Irish Water in accordance with the approved water charges plan or an approved agreement, as may be appropriate.

    (3) A charge under this section shall be payable on demand by the customer concerned in such manner and in respect of such period or periods as Irish Water shall determine in accordance with the approved water charges plan or an approved agreement, as may be appropriate.

    (4) Where a customer fails to pay a charge under this section, it shall be recoverable by Irish Water as a simple contract debt in any court of competent jurisdiction.

    (5) It shall be presumed, unless the contrary is proved, that the owner of a premises is also the occupier of that premises.

    (6) This section shall not apply to water services provided to a fire authority within the meaning of the Fire Services Act 1981 .

    (7) Subject to subsection (8), Irish Water may reduce or discontinue the supply of water to a premises where a charge under this section in respect of the premises remains wholly or partly unpaid for such period of time as may be specified in the approved water charges plan or an approved agreement, as may be appropriate.

    (8) Irish Water shall not, by reason of a charge in respect of a dwelling being wholly or partly unpaid, discontinue the supply of water to that dwelling either temporarily or permanently.


  • #43
    Maphisto
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,014 ✭✭✭Maphisto


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    well they have to have some kind of penalty for non payment

    Sure they put a garnishment order on wages or social welfare - just don't reduce something that will have health consequences.

    They reduce the water to a trickle so we only have enough to drink and cook with. Do we all stop showering and bathing?


  • #44
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Gringo180 wrote: »
    Believe it or not some families just cant afford to pay the charge. So now they face the threat of having there basic human right of water been switched off.

    i can imagine plenty of people unable to pay who will be able to pay for sky, upc etc.


  • #45
    robertxxx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭robertxxx


    That will be expensive to take the whole of Ireland to court.


  • #46
    The Th!ng
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 464 ✭✭The Th!ng


    Wicklowrider wrote: »
    Hit them at the polls.
    You will feel better.

    I'd laugh my ass off if he died of rabies.
    Hydrophobia ("fear of water"), is the historic name for Rabies. It refers to a set of symptoms in the later stages of an infection in which the victim has difficulty swallowing, shows panic when presented with liquids to drink, and can't quench its thirst. Saliva production is greatly increased, and attempts to drink, or even the intention or suggestion of drinking may cause excruciatingly painful spasms of the muscles in the throat and larynx.


  • #47
    Uriel.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,059 ✭✭✭Uriel.


    Banjo String wrote: »
    Why?

    It's been paid for via income tax, vat and commercial rates for years.
    None of them are being reduced by the same amount the water tax will be.

    Isn't that penalty enough?

    You could also say that because water charges are being introduced, the government is not increasing general taxation, lest we forget our 1billion a month deficit


  • #48
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    Banjo String wrote: »
    Why?

    It's been paid for via income tax, vat and commercial rates for years.
    None of them are being reduced by the same amount the water tax will be.

    Isn't that penalty enough?

    There's a tax shortfall. More is being spent on services than collected in taxes. Tax increases are necessary.


  • #49
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    i can imagine plenty of people unable to pay who will be able to pay for sky, upc etc.

    As sky and upc are both subject to vat, they will still be contributing to water too. .

    Win win for FG.

    Show them your displeasure in the locals.


  • #50
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    Uriel. wrote: »
    You could also say that because water charges are being introduced, the government is not increasing general taxation, lest we forget our 1billion a month deficit
    Diego Simeone wrote: »
    There's a tax shortfall. More is being spent on services than collected in taxes. Tax increases are necessary.

    Lads. This will go same way as the LPT that was supposedly to be kept within the area it was raised (at least 80%).....

    Remind me how that went, and how we were laughed at again for sucking up their BS?


  • #51
    Busted Flat.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,003 ✭✭✭Busted Flat.


    Is the average water bill of €240 subject to VAT and the PSO levy.


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  • #52
    Uriel.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,059 ✭✭✭Uriel.


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    If anyone wants to interpret the legislation this is what it says about non payment.

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2013/en/act/pub/0050/print.html

    21. (1) Subject to subsection (6), Irish Water shall charge each customer for the provision by it of water services

    (2) The amount of a charge under subsection (1) shall be calculated by Irish Water in accordance with the approved water charges plan or an approved agreement, as may be appropriate.

    (3) A charge under this section shall be payable on demand by the customer concerned in such manner and in respect of such period or periods as Irish Water shall determine in accordance with the approved water charges plan or an approved agreement, as may be appropriate.

    (4) Where a customer fails to pay a charge under this section, it shall be recoverable by Irish Water as a simple contract debt in any court of competent jurisdiction.

    (5) It shall be presumed, unless the contrary is proved, that the owner of a premises is also the occupier of that premises.

    (6) This section shall not apply to water services provided to a fire authority within the meaning of the Fire Services Act 1981 .

    (7) Subject to subsection (8), Irish Water may reduce or discontinue the supply of water to a premises where a charge under this section in respect of the premises remains wholly or partly unpaid for such period of time as may be specified in the approved water charges plan or an approved agreement, as may be appropriate.

    (8) Irish Water shall not, by reason of a charge in respect of a dwelling being wholly or partly unpaid, discontinue the supply of water to that dwelling either temporarily or permanently.

    Subsection 7 applies to all premises other than "dwelling" premises.

    Therefore, the supply of water to a domestic dwelling cannot be cut off. The talk today appears in line with this. They are not saying supply will be cut off, but it will be reduced which is not within the scope of Subsection 8.

    The contract debt part means they can essentially pursue you through the courts for a breach of contract


  • #53
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    robertxxx wrote: »
    That will be expensive to take the whole of Ireland to court.

    Where have I heard that before? Oh, yes. Household charge. Local Property Tax. Still over 90% have paid both, as they will this.


  • #54
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,787 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Uriel. wrote: »
    Subsection 7 applies to all premises other than "dwelling" premises.

    Therefore, the supply of water to a domestic dwelling cannot be cut off. The talk today appears in line with this. They are not saying supply will be cut off, but it will be reduced which is not within the scope of Subsection 8.

    The contract debt part means they can essentially pursue you through the courts for a breach of contract

    That was my understanding as well. But it does say that for (presumably commercial) premises that the supply can be discontinued. It will be the same here as the UK which was mentioned earlier or other countries. They don't have campaigns against water charges and any such campaign here will peter out in time just like the anti property tax campaign did.

    The test will be in a couple of years if this government is not re-elected will a new administration (say FF/SF) really do away with property tax and/or water charges. My opinion is that they are here for the long term and people will get used to them just like they have had to all round the world.


  • #55
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Where have I heard that before? Oh, yes. Household charge. Local Property Tax. Still over 90% have paid both, as they will this.

    Your maths are off.

    Over 400,000 homeowners didn't pay the hhc.

    That's from an estimated 1. 2 million ellligible homes.

    However, around 400,000 homeowners have yet to settle liabilities relating to the household charge, which was increased to €200 last year. The bill, which was initially set at €100, will reach €213 by the end of April after interest is applied.

    http://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/property-mortgages/penalties-for-property-tax-dodgers-as-deadline-hits-30140257.html


  • #56
    bigroad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭bigroad


    Do we have to sign a contract with irish water.So lets just say they put a watermeter outside your house which they are doing.
    Then it turns out for some reason you dont need their service so you wont be signing any contract.
    Who will they charge for the installiation of the water meter.
    Why dont they ask people will they be needing the meter before installing.
    I can see their being a series waste of labour and meters and our tax money.


  • #57
    Santa Cruz
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Santa Cruz


    Sir Osis of Liver. wrote: »
    Are they related to the great Brendan Kilkenny?
    And why did they change their surnames?

    Brendan Kilkenny. That's a blast from the past.


  • #58
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Banjo String wrote: »
    Your maths are off.

    Over 400,000 homeowners didn't pay the hhc.

    That's from an estimated 1. 2 million ellligible homes.




    http://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/property-mortgages/penalties-for-property-tax-dodgers-as-deadline-hits-30140257.html

    And from your own link
    A staggering €6m was collected by the taxman over a 48-hour period – bringing the total compliance rate for the tax to 88pc.


  • #59
    dj jarvis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭dj jarvis


    Santa Cruz wrote: »
    Brendan Kilkenny. That's a blast from the past.

    i would like to blast him into the past - oh wait , he already lives there


  • #60
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,787 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    bigroad wrote: »
    Do we have to sign a contract with irish water.So lets just say they put a watermeter outside your house which they are doing.
    Then it turns out for some reason you dont need their service so you wont be signing any contract.
    Who will they charge for the installiation of the water meter.
    Why dont they ask people will they be needing the meter before installing.
    I can see their being a series waste of labour and meters and our tax money.

    If you don't get water from the mains you don't have to pay Irish Water. But you will have to pay whatever other entity is providing the supply.


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  • #61
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    bumper234 wrote: »
    And from your own link

    By directly dipping into none compliant peoples wages. Why do you think they made legislation on this. As they could not afford to take all the none compliant people to court. If there was no legislation to dock peoples wages it would cost more to recoup what little people have not paid. Them Fancy barristers that represent the government aren't cheap.


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