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First shotgun

  • 03-05-2014 09:25PM
    #1
    Luketie123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47 ✭


    Well am just wondering wat a Gud first gun wud be I was thinking I wud lik a semi auto but whatever you's think I have about 1000e to spend o yeah and I will be using it for mostly game but the odd clays


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  • #2
    wirehairmax
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 678 ✭✭✭wirehairmax


    For €1000 you should pick up a good second-hand beretta semi. Or for another €200 beretta do an a300 semi brand new. If you get a beretta it's the only shotgun you'll ever need.


  • #3
    snipe49
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 735 ✭✭✭snipe49


    Luketie123 wrote: »
    Well am just wondering wat a Gud first gun wud be I was thinking I wud lik a semi auto but whatever you's think I have about 1000e to spend o yeah and I will be using it for mostly game but the odd clays
    Now my friend are u new to shooting how do u know u will like it. To spend all that money on a gun when u could pick up a nice second hand one for 400 may be wiser.U say u will be game shooting have u a dog yet.If no u could pick up a good dog with the left over money.


  • #4
    outfoxing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35 ✭outfoxing


    as a overall game and occasional clay shotgun I would stick with an over under, as this is your first shotgun it would be a lot safer and maybe a better type gun to gain experience with, I have all 3 types and each has it's own good and bad points, maybe a used Beretta silver pigeon 1 or Browning, sportsden , gunstore.ie or Patrick Carley, usually have some good shotguns in stock, happy hunting


  • #5
    deeksofdoom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,033 ✭✭✭deeksofdoom


    Get a dog first and a good pair of boots,then worry about a gun.


  • #6
    Luketie123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47 ✭Luketie123


    snipe49 wrote: »
    Now my friend are u new to shooting how do u know u will like it. To spend all that money on a gun when u could pick up a nice second hand one for 400 may be wiser.U say u will be game shooting have u a dog yet.If no u could pick up a good dog with the left over money.

    To be honest I hav probly shot over 1000 shells with my fathers single barel I go out regularly with the local gun club


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  • #7
    Luketie123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47 ✭Luketie123


    wirehairmax wrote: »
    For €1000 you should pick up a good second-hand beretta semi. Or for another €200 beretta do an a300 semi brand new. If you get a beretta it's the only shotgun you'll ever need.

    How much for a beretta o/u second hand


  • #8
    snipe49
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 735 ✭✭✭snipe49


    Luketie123 wrote: »
    To be honest I hav probly shot over 1000 shells with my fathers single barel I go out regularly with the local gun club
    very good but do u have a gundog yet.


  • #9
    Luketie123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47 ✭Luketie123


    snipe49 wrote: »
    very good but do u have a gundog yet.

    I will mainly be goin shooting with a friend of mine who has two or thee gun dogs


  • #10
    .338lapuamag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 122 ✭✭.338lapuamag


    Any benelli,there reliable any a good price second hand


  • #11
    TriggerPL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,014 ✭✭✭TriggerPL


    Yukon has a browning maxus for sale in the for sake section . A lot of gun for the price ..

    And it beats the beretta hands down !!

    Going to be slated for that comment


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  • #12
    Luketie123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47 ✭Luketie123


    TriggerPL wrote: »
    Yukon has a browning maxus for sale in the for sake section . A lot of gun for the price ..

    And it beats the beretta hands down !!

    Going to be slated for that comment

    I was goin for a browning maxus when a lad told me I wud be better of with a o/u


  • #13
    TriggerPL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,014 ✭✭✭TriggerPL


    Lads have this thing in there heads that semis are dangerous , but there only as dangerous as the person using them . Same rules apply weather it's an under and over or a semi ,

    And although u have the room for three shells in the gun unless ur shooting pigeons or crows etc , I would never put more that two in it .

    Maxus are a serious gun for the money


  • #14
    Luketie123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47 ✭Luketie123


    TriggerPL wrote: »
    Lads have this thing in there heads that semis are dangerous , but there only as dangerous as the person using them . Same rules apply weather it's an under and over or a semi ,

    And although u have the room for three shells in the gun unless ur shooting pigeons or crows etc , I would never put more that two in it .

    Maxus are a serious gun for the money

    I think his point was that people don't lik dem at clay shoots and der not allowed I in to regestered shoots is der such thing as a shell catcher


  • #15
    TriggerPL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,014 ✭✭✭TriggerPL


    Luketie123 wrote: »
    I think his point was that people don't lik dem at clay shoots and der not allowed I in to regestered shoots is der such thing as a shell catcher

    http://youtu.be/8tqQPpINgw0


  • #16
    cookimonster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭cookimonster


    Luketie123 wrote: »
    I think his point was that people don't lik dem at clay shoots...........

    I can not find a single line in the ICPSA rules to support the claim that they are not allowed in registered shoots, there is a certain amount of bias against them.
    Most semi autos nowadays will eject forward or downward.


  • #17
    Luketie123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47 ✭Luketie123


    Is der any shell catcher that catches two shells


  • #18
    dodderangler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,204 ✭✭✭dodderangler


    Luketie123 wrote: »
    I think his point was that people don't lik dem at clay shoots and der not allowed I in to regestered shoots is der such thing as a shell catcher

    Mai reason I don't like them is I've seen lads miss a pheasant with first two shots And then take the third.
    Rather see a bird go free than take the 3rd.
    I have a o/u baikel which must be near 30 year old and still shoots just fine. Been through hell nd high water and still a lovely gun to shoot. Ould double trigger job as well. Wouldn't trade it for the world


  • #19
    Luketie123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47 ✭Luketie123


    Well lad sim just a bit confused on which shotgun to get o/u such as a second hand beretta in or abouts 1000e or a semi auto such as a browning maxus I will be using it for snipe pheasant fox duck crows pigeons and in the of season clays I'm only starting of at clays I don't no if I will start competive yet and if u hav any recomendations happy to hear dem


  • #20
    snipe49
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 735 ✭✭✭snipe49


    dodderangler wrote: »
    Mai reason I don't like them is I've seen lads miss a pheasant with first two shots And then take the third.
    Rather see a bird go free than take the 3rd.
    I have a o/u baikel which must be near 30 year old and still shoots just fine. Been through hell nd high water and still a lovely gun to shoot. Ould double trigger job as well. Wouldn't trade it for the world
    Same here pal. If u don't knock it in two let it go. I have a side by side lovely gun.


  • #21
    dodderangler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,204 ✭✭✭dodderangler


    snipe49 wrote: »
    Same here pal. If u don't knock it in two let it go. I have a side by side lovely gun.

    Exactly. IMO if you miss with two let it live for the hunt another day. Anyone who takes the 3rd is out purely just to kill. Not to enjoy the hunt.
    Can't beat the old reliables huh


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  • #22
    Witcher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,482 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    Luketie123 wrote: »
    der not allowed I in to regestered shoots

    Yes they are.


  • #23
    Cass
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 28,798 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    TriggerPL wrote: »
    And it beats the beretta hands down !!

    Going to be slated for that comment
    Yes you are, but that's for another day and another thread. :D;)
    dodderangler wrote: »
    Mai reason I don't like them is I've seen lads miss a pheasant with first two shots And then take the third.
    Rather see a bird go free than take the 3rd.
    I have a o/u baikel which must be near 30 year old and still shoots just fine. Been through hell nd high water and still a lovely gun to shoot. Ould double trigger job as well. Wouldn't trade it for the world
    Don't agree with that at all.

    It's on the same line of thinking as only a .270 should be used for deer, or a side by side for any shotgun shooting, because it's "traditional".

    If shotguns were made way back when with three barrels, and someone had a semi auto with four shots then the argument would be if you cannot hit it with three then the fourth is unsporting.

    Until recently my mate's Father used to shoot with us. He uses a single barrel Steven's. I imagine he feels the same about you using a double barrel as you do about people with a semi auto.

    I use a semi auto. Three shot. If i miss with the first two, and the target still presents a shot for me to take a third, then i'm going to do it. Granted i don't shoot pheasants anymore. No use or need for them. However the principle is still the same for any quarry.
    Anyone who takes the 3rd is out purely just to kill. Not to enjoy the hunt.
    Can't beat the old reliables huh
    Gun snobbery, close mindedness. Like a conversation i had some time ago. A lad telling me the 6.5x55 was useless even though he later admitted to never having shot it. Preconceptions and ignorance towards other ways of doing things, plus a somewhat derogatory view point towards myself and others. "Out for the kill" indeed. Very reminiscent of any anti hunting comment i've ever heard.
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  • #24
    FISMA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,616 ✭✭✭FISMA


    Luketie123 wrote: »
    Well lad sim just a bit confused on which shotgun to get o/u such as a second hand beretta in or abouts 1000e or a semi auto such as a browning maxus I will be using it for snipe pheasant fox duck crows pigeons and in the of season clays I'm only starting of at clays I don't no if I will start competive yet and if u hav any recomendations happy to hear dem

    Have you handled either yet? If you can shoulder the two, you may find that you prefer one.

    Also, if you are a member of a clay club, do they frown upon autos?


  • #25
    Cass
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    Two threads merged as they are from the same poster and of the same topic. Post 19 is the first post in the other thread.
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  • #26
    dodderangler
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    Sorry cass but I'm going to disagree respectfully.
    I think two shots is enough to attempt to drop a bird. If both are missed then bird lives for another day.
    IMO if someone takes the third shot it's showing no respect for the quarry.
    Way I see it is first shot is a chance shot( if bird drops then it's well placed)
    Second shot should be the shot to adjust and place better shot hopefully to drop the bird but to take a third IMO just shows no respect then. Bird has earned its right to live as you didn't place the first or second shot properly.
    Again no offence to any semi owners but I'm just throwing in my two cents.


  • #27
    TriggerPL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,014 ✭✭✭TriggerPL


    dodderangler wrote: »
    Sorry cass but I'm going to disagree respectfully.
    I think two shots is enough to attempt to drop a bird. If both are missed then bird lives for another day.
    IMO if someone takes the third shot it's showing no respect for the quarry.
    Way I see it is first shot is a chance shot( if bird drops then it's well placed)
    Second shot should be the shot to adjust and place better shot hopefully to drop the bird but to take a third IMO just shows no respect then. Bird has earned its right to live as you didn't place the first or second shot properly.
    Again no offence to any semi owners but I'm just throwing in my two cents.

    First off I don't shoot pheasant either , if I'm out for a woodcock and come across one I might have a pop but I don't go out looking for them .

    And as stated befor Id only use the third cartridge when shooting pigeons or crows etc .

    But I don't see the problem with firing a third shot at a pheasant , ur on about the sporting chance , then don't fire the second shot , hit him with the first . After the first shot . The third shot is every bit as sporting as the second seeing as the bird would be that extra distance away .

    And IMO if you need a second shot on a pheasant then ur not giving enough lead in the first place . There not exactly the most challenging bird .

    Yet people love to shooting them .


  • #28
    snipe49
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 735 ✭✭✭snipe49


    dodderangler wrote: »
    Sorry cass but I'm going to disagree respectfully.
    I think two shots is enough to attempt to drop a bird. If both are missed then bird lives for another day.
    IMO if someone takes the third shot it's showing no respect for the quarry.
    Way I see it is first shot is a chance shot( if bird drops then it's well placed)
    Second shot should be the shot to adjust and place better shot hopefully to drop the bird but to take a third IMO just shows no respect then. Bird has earned its right to live as you didn't place the first or second shot properly.
    Again no offence to any semi owners but I'm just throwing in my two cents.
    Cass has point. There is a place out there for a shotgun that fires 3 shot's, There for all those lad's that cant shoot straight. ! :D


  • #29
    cookimonster
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    Luketie123,
    Wow getting some serious déjà vu reading theses posts,

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057203769


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057203769


  • #30
    Snakezilla
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    Go for an u/o

    You dont have to jump in for a Beretta , there are a lot of good makes out there to fit your budget such as Lanber, Baikal, Miroku , Browning - all great makes that can be got for good money second hand. Beretta tends to hold their value. My advice would be to get a good condition Lanber Sporter. You could probably pick one up for about €800 or less maybe, then spend the rest of your budget on other things you need like cleaning kit , good knife , cartridges etc.

    There are some clay grounds that dont like semi auto shotguns. There is nothing stopping you getting an o/u and getting into the sport then maybe a year or so down the line get a semi. A lot of lads have 2 or even 3 shotuns. I myself have a dedicated o/u for clays and sometimes gets used for game and I have a semi auto for vermin, decoying and ducks.


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  • #31
    Cass
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    @ Dodderangler - That is such nonsense. IOW there is no need for semi auto shotguns? How do you feel about such things as:
    • Section 42 on deer
    • Taking a deer at anything over 100 yards
    • Using anything bar a side by side shotgun
    • Semi auto rimfire
    • Fox calls
    • Trail cameras
    • Etc.
    Surely all these would go against your moral compass too?


    I've no problem with you or anyone that thinks like this, no matter how outdated it is, but i do take issue with someone when they announce/say that a certain category or people (semi auto owners) are unsporting and not respectful of quarry because they choose a certain type of gun.
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