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Abusing candidates/canvassers - where is the line?

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  • #122
    Muise...
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    My name is URL wrote: »
    Fairly scummy to bring a persons *shouts 21 YEAR-OLD* child into such a thing and them not even present alright. Obviously he was looking to further fan the flames in the situation.

    No sympathy for the wanker in the reaction he was met with. If someone mentioned my kids in such a way during an argument I'd be pissed off too.

    He's as much a scumbag as anyone else in that video. The confrontation had ended when he decided to turn round and start it up again.

    Would you apply the same empathy by being pissed off with someone treating your sister like that in the first place, or is she fair game?


  • #123
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,455 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    My name is URL wrote: »
    Fairly scummy to bring a persons child into such a thing and them not even present alright. Obviously he was looking to further fan the flames in the situation.

    No sympathy for the wanker in the reaction he was met with. If someone mentioned my kids in such a way during an argument I'd be pissed off too.

    He's as much a scumbag as anyone else in that video. The confrontation had ended when he decided to turn round and start it up again.

    Child me hole, she is 21, what age do you consider someone an adult.


  • #124
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Graces7 wrote: »
    where are you inventing these stats from please?

    i have family working with the salvation army here so am well up on the reality.

    there is no homeless epidemic here . eleven suicides a week..not. where are people eating out of bins...the feeding services are keeping pace at present and working very hard to do that.

    this kind of hysterical exaggeration does not achieve anything.

    you wanna help; great. all the groups feeding need hands on volunteers

    better than ranting. non political

    He/she is perfectly entitled to have a go at the political atmosphere that fostered this situation.


  • #125
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,547 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Muise... wrote: »
    Would you apply the same empathy by being pissed off with someone treating your sister like that in the first place, or is she fair game?

    By sinking to their level he removed whatever high-ground he may have had. I have no empathy or sympathy for anyone in that video apart from the candidate herself. The rest are as bad as each other.


  • #126
    mel1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 367 ✭✭mel1


    I'm surprised that so many of the comments here are so "poor Candidate" type!
    These people put themselves in the line of fire for the job they get huge big salaries, bonuses they will eventually get etc etc.
    current government are not listening or care what the people of Ireland have to say and unfortunately sometimes you have to shout to be heard.
    Would have expected many more p####d off people commenting on a post like this.


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  • #127
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    mel1 wrote: »
    These people put themselves in the line of fire for the job

    In the line of fire? They aren't soldiers. They are regular people putting themselves forward to be in a position to make a difference.
    mel1 wrote: »
    they get huge big salaries, bonuses they will eventually get etc etc.

    Can you tell me off hand what the salary is and how much in bonuses they get?
    mel1 wrote: »
    current government are not listening or care what the people of Ireland have to say and

    I wasn't aware she had been elected to government. I thought she was a candidate for local election.
    mel1 wrote: »
    unfortunately sometimes you have to shout to be heard.

    This was more than just shouting. This is a campaign of personal abuse and intimidation. It is as counter to democracy as anything.
    mel1 wrote: »
    Would have expected many more p####d off people commenting on a post like this.

    People are pissed off. They are pissed off at the scumbag bullies picking an easy target to abuse in order to try and make themselves feel good. They don't stand for anything other than their own personal interests and they've shown that they have no qualms about how they try and fulfill those interests.


  • #128
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    mel1 wrote: »
    I'm surprised that so many of the comments here are so "poor Candidate" type!
    These people put themselves in the line of fire for the job they get huge big salaries, bonuses they will eventually get etc etc.
    current government are not listening or care what the people of Ireland have to say and unfortunately sometimes you have to shout to be heard.
    Would have expected many more p####d off people commenting on a post like this.
    Big salaries and bonuses for county councillors? Get real.

    Anyway, I'm away out now to abuse high earners on the streets - apparently that's ok :confused:


  • #129
    Foxhound38
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭Foxhound38


    mel1 wrote: »
    These people put themselves in the line of fire for the job they get huge big salaries

    What is the salary for a county councillor?

    Also, do you think any persons job description or salary automatically entitles anyone with a chip on their shoulder to verbally abuse them in the streets? Would it be OK to do so to Mary the bank teller down the road when she's coming home with her shopping? After all, the banks fecked the country, didn't they? :rolleyes:


  • #130
    tritium
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,793 ✭✭✭tritium


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    He/she is perfectly entitled to have a go at the political atmosphere that fostered this situation.

    Not by making sh!t up they're not


  • #131
    tritium
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,793 ✭✭✭tritium


    Foxhound38 wrote: »
    Would it be OK to do so to Mary the bank teller down the road when she's coming home with her shopping? After all, the banks fecked the country, didn't they? :rolleyes:

    Sadly there are plenty if dimwits who've done exactly that over the past few years. I've many friends working in banks who've received abuse from random gob****es as though they were personally responsible for the bailout


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  • #132
    Foxhound38
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭Foxhound38


    An interview with the woman who was following the candidate...

    What do you reckon? Buying her story?


  • #133
    Foxhound38
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭Foxhound38


    tritium wrote: »
    Sadly there are plenty if dimwits who've done exactly that over the past few years. I've many friends working in banks who've received abuse from random gob****es as though they were personally responsible for the bailout

    Sadly I also know of many such stories - we really need a facepalm smiley for describing those situations (and this one) :pac:


  • #134
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    Foxhound38 wrote: »
    What do you reckon? Buying her story?

    No. I'm now almost certain he rode her daughter.


  • #135
    tritium
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,793 ✭✭✭tritium


    mel1 wrote: »
    I'm surprised that so many of the comments here are so "poor Candidate" type!
    These people put themselves in the line of fire for the job they get huge big salaries, bonuses they will eventually get etc etc.
    current government are not listening or care what the people of Ireland have to say and unfortunately sometimes you have to shout to be heard.
    Would have expected many more p####d off people commenting on a post like this.

    Huge salaries and bonuses! Utter crap, many if those who serve in public office actually give up more lucrative careers to do so. At council level the time requirement is significant for someone whose also holding down a job (councillor is not exactly a lucrative career in itself). What bonuses do they get exactly?

    Do you really think there's some clique of hyper rich people who could pay to fund boom time services by the way? Just because the last shower were obsessed with buying votes by giving away stuff they'd borrowed to fund. The money was never going to last forever so now we're at the stage of 'you want it you pay for it'


  • #136
    Muise...
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    He/she is perfectly entitled to have a go at the political atmosphere that fostered this situation.

    How do you have a go at an atmosphere? :confused:

    Beat the air with a drumstick? Parp your polemic out your arse?


  • #137
    mikeym
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,989 ✭✭✭mikeym


    These Labour people should be expecting a frosty reception as long as theres no personal abuse towards the Labour person.


    The government have been doing a number 2 on everyone in this country and if some pawn of the coalition knocks on the door their gonna get criticism because of the bad party they represent.

    Why dont these people run as independent candidates.


  • #138
    AnonoBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    Morons on that Facebook page talking about 'standing up for their rights'.

    What about the rights of the woman to canvas without being harassed by yokels?

    If they have a problem with her policies and want to talk about it they should do that instead of whining about being blocked by her on Facebook and telling her she's a traitor.

    No sympathy for them to be honest and if they're so worked up about it let's see them run for local election. I'm sure their policies will be incredibly well thought out.


  • #139
    Foxhound38
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭Foxhound38


    mikeym wrote: »
    Why dont these people run as independent candidates.

    Because they are members of FG or the Labour Party?

    Surely they have the freedom to run for whomever they wish in a democracy?

    Also, by all means grill them on the doorstep - that's also part of being in a democracy and seeking a vote. But just refrain from chasing them off your estate with verbal abuse. You have a right to tell them to fcuk off your doorstep, you don't have a right to prevent them from being heard by others.

    That goes for Labour, Sinn Fein, DDI, Fianna Fail - the lot of them.


  • #140
    Shakespeare's Sister
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,412 ✭✭✭Shakespeare's Sister


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    He/she is perfectly entitled to have a go at the political atmosphere that fostered this situation.
    They told blatant lies. :confused:

    Are people really believing it's not possible to be highly critical of something without giving abuse/silencing people? Surely not.


  • #141
    Lapin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,184 ✭✭✭✭Lapin


    Topic being discussed on Vincent Brown now. TV3


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  • #142
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,992 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    If they really want to make a point why don't they go after the Bertie Aherns and Anglo bankers of this world.

    I hate the labour party but what they did is sick and cowardly.

    EVENFLOW



  • #143
    delthedriver
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,955 ✭✭✭delthedriver


    We have become a very aggressive society.


    A little respect for people is needed.


    My logic if a canvasser calls to my door, I will thank them for taking the time to call, accept their literature and wish them well in their campaign.


    There is no need to be aggressive nor rude to anyone irrespective of which party they represent.


  • #144
    Henlars67
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,272 ✭✭✭Henlars67


    It is entirely possible to express your anger with a canvasser's party without being abusive.

    At the last GE a FF candidate asked me for my number 2 vote. I listed a number of reasons why I couldn't give it to him this time. He thanked me for my time and I thanked him for calling.

    He got the message.

    As somebody who canvasses myself I know that it isn't always an easy thing to do, especially for people who are calling to doors on behalf of a candidate and who get absolutely nothing for it.

    A little bit of respect isn't hard to give to people. You can still get your point across.

    I realise that lots of politicians show damn all respect to the people who they represent and have been making decisions that have made many people's lives, including mine, much worse.

    To the people who think that they should be abused, I say maintain your dignity and don't stoop to their level.

    Tell hem exactly why you can't vote for them, you don't even need to raise your voice to do it.


  • #145
    Foxhound38
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭Foxhound38


    delthedriver wrote: »
    My logic if a canvasser calls to my door, I will thank them for taking the time to call, accept their literature and wish them well in their campaign.

    Exactly the right way to deal with it. I do the same - and if it's the candidate themselves and I have a question or a query or a point to make, I do so firmly but politely. I then wish them the best of luck (irrespective of what party they may or may not be in - because it can't be easy putting your neck out there, especially as a local politician hopeful) and send them on their way. I might have no interest in voting for them, indeed - as in the case with FF - I might dislike their party in the extreme, but abuse isn't the way to deal with it.

    A bit more basic respect is needed


  • #146
    FizzleSticks
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,172 ✭✭✭FizzleSticks


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  • #147
    Jester252
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,533 ✭✭✭Jester252


    Foxhound38 wrote: »
    An interview with the woman who was following the candidate...

    What do you reckon? Buying her story?

    She is a liar and a bully


  • #148
    Jester252
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,533 ✭✭✭Jester252


    mikeym wrote: »
    These Labour people should be expecting a frosty reception as long as theres no personal abuse towards the Labour person.


    The government have been doing a number 2 on everyone in this country and if some pawn of the coalition knocks on the door their gonna get criticism because of the bad party they represent.

    Why dont these people run as independent candidates.

    Some people can't afford to run as independents.

    Also lets not forget the comments left by the guy filming the video and his wife
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmbdTrBCMAEKsux.png


  • #149
    Foxhound38
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭Foxhound38


    Jester252 wrote: »
    Some people can't afford to run as independents.

    Also lets not forget the comments left by the guy filming the video and his wife
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmbdTrBCMAEKsux.png

    They are reprehensible bullies who should be ashamed of themselves. Didn't see this exchange, but it has now solidified it in my mind.


  • #150
    LizzieJones
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,459 ✭✭✭LizzieJones


    Foxhound38 wrote: »
    Just saw this video posted on the Dublin Says No facebook page, which seems to show a young Labour Party candidate getting bollocked/harassed (depending on what way you want to look at it) out of an estate by two people from this group.

    Some people seriously need to get a life.:rolleyes:


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  • #151
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,455 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Haven't had any canvassers arrive at my door yet, but have been approached by some of them in the street, they just hand me a piece of paper and are polite to me so it's good manners to be the same in return.

    It makes people sound like skangers when they say they tell them to fook off.


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