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The Boggers Log

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,672 ✭✭✭ThebitterLemon


    Am up in Cavan for a couple of days.

    Finding it hard to get out with all the clan in tow. Threw an extra few glasses of wine into the missus last night and booked her into the spa for tomorrow so got planning permission to head out this morning.

    Had arranged with Tom Joad to do between 8-12 miles. Met TJ outside Staghall church and after some quick pleasantries and a rapid assessment to ensure we didn't fit the psycho serial killer profile (I did notice TJ had to give me the twice over :) ) we were off.

    Absolutely beautiful day for a run and after a couple of slow warm up miles were got stuck in. Great chat along a lovely route and the miles flew by. TJ brought me through some lovely quiet country roads, and on a trail through an old country estate. (The scouts have a headquarters there). We even ran into another jurisdiction!

    Thanks TJ, great run and tour and if your running dreams don't come to pass there's always a place on the Cavan hurling team for you :)

    13 miles

    TbL


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,297 ✭✭✭SamforMayo


    Jes you even managed to get an extra mile from a Cavan man, well done:eek:
    (only joking Tom)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,672 ✭✭✭ThebitterLemon


    How do you get a fifty pence piece off a Cavan man?

    With a spanner :)

    Some seriously fine houses up this direction, and I was surprised by how clean and tidy the whole area is. Belturbet would put most of the towns and villages in Galway to shame. Seems to be a good sense of community spirit around.

    TbL


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,297 ✭✭✭SamforMayo


    How do you get a fifty pence piece off a Cavan man?

    With a spanner :)

    Some seriously fine houses up this direction, and I was surprised by how clean and tidy the whole area is. Belturbet would put most of the towns and villages in Galway to shame. Seems to be a good sense of community spirit around.

    TbL
    I will inspect the towns and villages on my way to Galway tomorrow and get back to you!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,672 ✭✭✭ThebitterLemon


    Today: did a couple of laps around the Slieve Russell hotel.

    The path is tarred and every 500m marked. The total distanced around the loop is marked as 2471mtrs.

    Bit of a hill on the loop that takes it out of legs.

    Legs were a bit dead today as I've been doing the kiddie decathlon, tennis, hurling, football, swimming, and chasing after the young lads arrows that he was firing from his kiddie bow.

    5 miles @ 7.46

    Going to take it handy enough between now and Limerick.

    I definitely feel that I'm in PB shape (sub 3.15), but after the abject fail in Seville I'm not as confident of a sub 3.10.

    I had a provisional plan of running the first couple of miles with DocQ (he's pacing the sub 3.15) and taking it from there, hoping to hit half way in 1.36 and then assessing if the 3.10 is on in the later stages of the race.

    Just thought I'd throw this out there to see if any of the more experienced guys think this is reasonable or not.

    The thought of not at least going sub 3.15 in Limerick is something I don't want to countenance.

    Tnx for any input.

    TbL


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,237 ✭✭✭AuldManKing



    Just thought I'd throw this out there to see if any of the more experienced guys think this is reasonable or not.


    TbL

    Dont think theres too many more experienced guys than you!!

    Seriously though, endurance is your strength, speed is something that you've been working on recently.
    And you've come on a lot in the speed part over the last few weeks.

    The old adage of 'picking it up in the 2nd half' is something a lot of people couldn't do mainly through lack of endurance - but you've got it in spades.
    I think you could safely run with the 3:15's and pick it up.

    btw - I also think you could run an even split race as well - and finish with a PB.

    After the Conn run, so should be super confident.

    Wipe Seville out of your head - bad day at the office - this is 'the faster lemon' now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,672 ✭✭✭ThebitterLemon


    Tnx for AMK, appreciate the input.

    I might have run lots of maras but I've feck all experience of racing.

    Seville really hit my confidence hard so the last few races were great from that perspective.

    I think I'll stick with Q for a while till I settle and push on if I can.

    Will we be able to put up with each other for an hour :)

    Thanks again.

    I'll be up in Dublin a bit over the summer so if Cianc starts cheating on you, maybe we could hook up again!

    TbL


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,866 ✭✭✭drquirky


    You'll be completely fine. Roll with me for a bit then push on to glory. You ran Conn and thats a good deal harder. Looking forward to meeting you as I've only shouted at you before...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,672 ✭✭✭ThebitterLemon


    drquirky wrote: »
    You'll be completely fine. Roll with me for a bit then push on to glory. You ran Conn and thats a good deal harder. Looking forward to meeting you as I've only shouted at you before...

    And keep up the shouting Q if my arse starts dropping!

    Likewise, and I'll see you on the 4th.

    Nice ten miler last weekend by the way, especially with the mid race recovery run.

    TbL


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,202 ✭✭✭Gavlor


    Starting a pace 5 minutes below target is a lot to make up if you ask me. If you're planning to stick with mayor quimby then do so for 4-5 miles max and progress your pace to hit the 3.10. The only issue could be isolation, can't imagine many people looking for sub 3.10 starting off at 3.15 so you'll prob end up on your own a fair bit once you start upping the pace

    I don't think you'll have any problems with the target pace.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,672 ✭✭✭ThebitterLemon


    Mayor Quimby ha ha!

    Thanks for that Gavlor, that was my initial plan, but the fear of another Seville like meltdown was holding me back.

    Have you previously experienced difficulty in running for more than 4-5 miles with Q :)

    TbL





    QUOTE=Gavlor;90099246]Starting a pace 5 minutes below target is a lot to make up if you ask me. If you're planning to stick with mayor quimby then do so for 4-5 miles max and progress your pace to hit the 3.10. The only issue could be isolation, can't imagine many people looking for sub 3.10 starting off at 3.15 so you'll prob end up on your own a fair bit once you start upping the pace

    I don't think you'll have any problems with the target pace.[/QUOTE]


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    Gavlor wrote: »
    Starting a pace 5 minutes below target is a lot to make up if you ask me. If you're planning to stick with mayor quimby then do so for 4-5 miles max and progress your pace to hit the 3.10. The only issue could be isolation, can't imagine many people looking for sub 3.10 starting off at 3.15 so you'll prob end up on your own a fair bit once you start upping the pace

    I don't think you'll have any problems with the target pace.

    A little birdie tells me a certain famous boardsie will have the same strategy as TbL, so he might have a bit of comapny.
    Hint: it's not me but some say it's one of my relations ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,672 ✭✭✭ThebitterLemon


    menoscemo wrote: »
    A little birdie tells me a certain famous boardsie will have the same strategy as TbL, so he might have a bit of comapny.
    Hint: it's not me but some say it's one of my relations ;)



    Feck ya Meno,

    You can't leave it like that!

    TbL


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    Feck ya Meno,

    You can't leave it like that!

    TbL

    You'll recognise who it is on the start line. I am sure DrQ will introduce you ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,237 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    so if Cianc starts cheating on you, maybe we could hook up again!

    TbL

    Sure bring your new best friend TJ with you............


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,202 ✭✭✭Gavlor


    Tbh Tbl, it all comes down to one thing.


    Forget about Seville, Lose the fear.


    Final Exacution And Resurrection


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,140 ✭✭✭snailsong


    I'm in a very similar position. I'd love a 3.10 but I'd hate to miss out on 3.15 trying. The current plan will be to start with the 3.15 group and push on with 10k to go, hopefully hitting 3.12.xx and a small pb.

    I agree with Gavlor. If you're seriously chasing 3.10 you can't hang around too long with the 3.15 group.

    I'll introduce myself to the pacers on the day so we can all make ourselves known. Looking forward to it now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,297 ✭✭✭SamforMayo


    Could ye not have warned me about the wind in Galway. I left the lovely climate of mayo with the hair done and I'm like the whirligig witch now!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,410 ✭✭✭ger664


    TBL

    Just rock up on the day and smash it. Don't fret it you have the endurance and now the speed.
    Hope to bump into you afterwards for the celebratory glass of yellow wine.

    Ger


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,672 ✭✭✭ThebitterLemon


    Today: did 6 miles (7.42 pace) through Ballyconnell today before we checked out.

    Was considering doing another 6 tonight but am wrecked after the drive and the kids killing each other in the back seat for 3 hours.

    If I can survive that torture then a 3.10 should be a breeze :)

    Going to do 12-14 tomorrow with 6-8 at MP.

    TbL


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,447 ✭✭✭FBOT01


    3:18 in a solo effort in Connemara confirms that you are in get shape.....KEEP THE FAITH, get some decent rest this week and you will get your reward for a great training block!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    Why so much so close to the race? Take it easy this week


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,866 ✭✭✭drquirky



    Going to do 12-14 tomorrow with 6-8 at MP.

    TbL

    The week before Limerick? Ummmm no.

    12 easy IMO taper is your friend here you'd gain nothing from that workout- I want you to kick my ass in Limerick TBl be smart!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,672 ✭✭✭ThebitterLemon


    Hi Ray,

    I just wanted to keep things ticking over, and I think a smaller taper suits me.

    I had planned to do the following:

    Sunday: 12-14 with 6-8 at MP

    Monday: 4 miles easy

    Tuesday: 6-8 miles with 4 at MP or MP -15 seconds (depending on how I felt)

    Wed: Rest

    Thur: 5 miles with 2 at MP

    Fri: 3 miles easy

    Sat: Rest

    TbL

    RayCun wrote: »
    Why so much so close to the race? Take it easy this week


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,672 ✭✭✭ThebitterLemon


    Ok, I've just seen Q's post, after responding to RayC so 12 miles easy tomorrow it is so.


    TbL


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,866 ✭✭✭drquirky


    Hi Ray,

    I just wanted to keep things ticking over, and I think a smaller taper suits me.

    I had planned to do the following:

    Sunday: 12-14 with 6-8 at MP

    Monday: 4 miles easy

    Tuesday: 6-8 miles with 4 at MP or MP -15 seconds (depending on how I felt)

    Wed: Rest

    Thur: 5 miles with 2 at MP

    Fri: 3 miles easy

    Sat: Rest

    TbL

    Totally understand shorter taper might suit you so keeping that in mind here's what I'd do:

    Tomorrow 12 easy

    Monday 5 easy

    Tuesday 5 easy w/ 2x1 mi at MP 1mun jog in between

    Weds : rest

    Thurs 4 easy and 8 strides

    Fri off

    Sat 2-3 mi very easy w a few strides or maybe 800m at MP

    Sunday kick ass and PB


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,202 ✭✭✭Gavlor


    Do not run 6 mp tomorrow you mad lemon head!! I bet the only reason you were planning it was as a confidence booster. Save it for next week.

    Fresh is best


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,672 ✭✭✭ThebitterLemon


    Thanks for that Q, appreciate it, I'll reorganise accordingly.


    Yes Gavlor, the confidence issue was a big part of it, the buzz from going sub 40 last weekend (something I'd never thought I'd actually achieve) was starting to fade so wanted to get some of that buzz again going into next Sunday.

    Thanks again lads,

    TbL


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,099 ✭✭✭BeepBeep67


    Run easy, stay away from kids and basketballs and kill it next week!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,672 ✭✭✭ThebitterLemon


    Took on board the advice received on here yesterday, so after bringing the middle lad up to the pub to watch he first half of Liverpool and Chelsea, I headed of on my local hilly route to do 12 easy miles.

    Another lovely sunny day, that resulted in the singlet getting another airing. Decided to run this without the watch and just coast along.

    Picked up the pace for the last 200m and visualised myself crossing the line, next Sunday, in a time closer to Ecolis than Q's...then again... :)

    TbL


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