Why the lack of coverage?

_Kaiser_ · 20-04-2014 04:28PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Pretty much sums up the meek, servile and week-willed attitude of most Irish people.

So much self loathing and bitterness. It fills me with joy that so many people with your attitude wake up every morning realizing ye still live here.

The UK as an economy or a society isn't exactly more progressive than we are. It's fast becoming one of the most xenophobic and separatist nations in the EU.. and is well on its way to being a fully fledged nanny state. Shur it's no wonder so many Irish look up to it!

Feel free to actually read the rest of my post and prove to me that we don't actually have all our major legislation and budgets approved by the EU, that the Church didn't mentally, physically and sexually abuse kids for decades, that condoms were actually legal before the early-90s, that Enda Kenny isn't in the Dail 38 years with nothing besides a few years primary school teaching and hid Daddy's name to get him there etc etc

The blind devotion to Ireland and refusal to acknowledge the many fundamental flaws it has is why the place IS the mess it is. Rather it is people with your attitude who accept this situation rather than speak out against it who are the weak-willed and servile among us.

My name is URL · 20-04-2014 04:29PM

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Yeah? And?

It's done now and it's nearly a hundred years later. It's about time we got the place sorted out and running like a first world country rather than spending our time looking back.

I take it you'll be saying that when the likes of Somme is 'remembered' next time round? It being one of the most foolish and costly military decisions the glorious brits have ever made and all. Funny how some things should be forgotten and others remembered, romanticised and celebrated isn't it.

_Kaiser_ · 20-04-2014 04:31PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

It's your vote. Use it properly than governments will be different.

I despise people who use terms like this.

It's not governments choosing to run Ireland - it is the people that choose the governments. Nothing to do with independence.

If that's what the people want, that is what they get.

We have nothing to apologise for as a sovereign country. Have some self respect and actually help change things rather than demean yourself and the rest of us with such silly comments.

You clearly have an inferiority complex.

THe problem with your post (while sound in theory) is that the Irish political system is also broken..

People DID vote for change and reform in 2011 remember and what did we get? Another bunch of lying, self-serving corrupt politicians in the guise of FG and LAB - who are actually managing to be worse than FF which is some achievement, and also why that shower will be back next time round!

Temptamperu · 20-04-2014 04:31PM

Wasnt it in the papers when enda invited some brits to it?

Kermit.de.frog · 20-04-2014 04:32PM

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

Feel free to actually read the rest of my post and prove to me that we don't actually have all our major legislation and budgets approved by the EU, that the Church didn't mentally, physically and sexually abuse kids for decades, that condoms were actually legal before the early-90s, that Enda Kenny isn't in the Dail 38 years with nothing besides a few years primary school teaching and hid Daddy's name to get him there etc etc

So sh!t in other European countries doesn't stink? Look at the BBC ffs and that is only the tip of the ice berg in the UK about child abuse.

I would hazard that proportionally in Ireland we know a lot more about this stuff going on than in many other countries and that makes it seem so much worse.

_Kaiser_ · 20-04-2014 04:35PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

So sh!t in other European country's doesn't stink? Look at the BBC ffs and that is only the tip of the ice berg in the UK about child abuse.

The difference there is that when such <insert term of choice here.. I would but it'd get me banned> DO get caught over there, they are penalised for it.

Here we have a massive, expensive investigation at public expense, a determination is made and the Church gives two fingers to the victims anyway (as in the Magdelene survivors)

Politics? In the UK politicians actually DO resign - not like here where people like Shatter and Reilly continue on collecting their salary while good people pay the price for it.

I'm not saying the UK is perfect by any means, but it's a lot better than this place!

Dyr · 20-04-2014 04:40PM

sillyoulfool wrote: »

Nah, not true.
More romanticised revisionism.
We were going to get as much limited autonomy under Home Rule than we got under the Free State.

orly? and youre on about revisionism

sabat · 20-04-2014 04:44PM

To answer the OP, I walked past earlier and there was 400 people there tops. There was no coverage because nobody really gives a sh1t.

Guy:Incognito · 20-04-2014 04:47PM

shanec1928 wrote: »

suprisingly thers one every year;)

Is the 98th anniversary not the big one? :-)

pablomakaveli · 20-04-2014 05:08PM

Don't know why anyone would think there's a lack of coverage. I'm not even living in Ireland and i was well aware of the parade was going on today.

Frank Lee Midere · 20-04-2014 06:10PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

So sh!t in other European countries doesn't stink? Look at the BBC ffs and that is only the tip of the ice berg in the UK about child abuse.

I would hazard that proportionally in Ireland we know a lot more about this stuff going on than in many other countries and that makes it seem so much worse.

Every so often there is some expose about abuse in British institutions - like the Times on public schools etc. What there isn't is any kind of extra-judicial inquiry into child abuse across the UK like the Ryan reports which weren't dependent on full due process but were reports from victims. Meanwhile the UK doesn't really investigate this stuff systematically. Nor will it.

In any case why is that the only thing to be guilty about? The British empire was hardly a barrel of laughs.

Frank Lee Midere · 20-04-2014 06:12PM

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

The difference there is that when such <insert term of choice here.. I would but it'd get me banned> DO get caught over there, they are penalised for it.

Here we have a massive, expensive investigation at public expense, a determination is made and the Church gives two fingers to the victims anyway (as in the Magdelene survivors)

Politics? In the UK politicians actually DO resign - not like here where people like Shatter and Reilly continue on collecting their salary while good people pay the price for it.

I'm not saying the UK is perfect by any means, but it's a lot better than this place!

It's the very lack of investigation in the UK which should motivate you. And the British expenses scandal is as bad or worse as anything here. In any case you never hear British people questioning the legitimacy of the state. They attack the politicians not the state.

The "hand it back" mentality is almost beyond satire. There are two parts of this island one run by the UK. I know which one I would live in. There are continuing increases in welsh and Scottish separatism but we still have the mourners of empire ( it's gone lads) wanting to hand it back.

Unless you think that the Britush would have set up an IDA then we would clearly be poorer under the UK. Wages are worse there than here anyway but London rule really is London rule - no other country is run for one small region, the South East. There is no attempt to re industrialise the north, Scotland had the poll tax forced upon it, wales devastated by mine closures, the south west is allowed to be flooded for months until a minister turns up. Ireland would be materially worse.

bnt · 20-04-2014 06:18PM

Ah, so that's why the Irish Air Force - all 4 planes - was flying over us today. :cool:

Karl Stein · 20-04-2014 06:19PM

sillyoulfool wrote: »

We were going to get as much limited autonomy under Home Rule than we got under the Free State.

Clueless bull, but then we shouldn't expect anything less from the pro-Empire apologists.

We'd have ended up as a UK dependency with a constant insurgency, a bit like the north in the 80's.

What was on offer before 1916 was Home Rule – devolution, well short of independence. It is assumed by many that Home Rule would have evolved automatically into sovereign independence [...] The truth is that without 1916 our people might well have settled down for a time at least within a Home Rule system [...] with the evolution of the welfare state, Ireland would have become increasingly dependent financially on Britain.

If Home Rule had endured for any length of time, a move to independence would have become so costly in the short-run that it is most unlikely that there would ever have been a willingness to pay the price of doing without these transfers.

You'll never guess what anti-establishment, rebel loving, militant wrote that?

Garret Fitzgerald

Nodin · 20-04-2014 06:21PM

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

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The best thing we could do for the 1916 anniversary is hand the keys back and apologise for the mess we made of the place.

Pathetic.

que pasa · 20-04-2014 06:49PM

Ireland is great when it comes to commemorations. Huge parades marking St. Patrick's Day; a bloody Welsh Saint, even a day off.

When it comes to anything political it's all hush hush.

2008 was the year the Famine received official recognition as a day of remembrance. 2008???

Celly Smunt · 20-04-2014 07:05PM

in fairness it would've been so much cooler if they had've waited until '69

goose2005 · 20-04-2014 07:26PM

que pasa wrote: »

Ireland is great when it comes to commemorations. Huge parades marking St. Patrick's Day; a bloody Welsh Saint, even a day off.

When it comes to anything political it's all hush hush.

2008 was the year the Famine received official recognition as a day of remembrance. 2008???

There was also huge commemorations in 1995 of the 150th anniversary. And one reason that it's uncomfortable to celebrate 1916/18/19/21/22 is that hanging over them is partition and the civil war.

Amirani · 20-04-2014 07:28PM

que pasa wrote: »

I was having a read of the papers this morning and discovered that there is a military parade commemorating the 1916 Rising today. However, there is no mention of this in the Irish Times or the Irish Indo. I got this source from the Sunday World (http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/news/military-ceremony-to-commemorate-1916-easter-rising).

There's no Sunday edition of the Irish Times?

What sort of coverage would you expect you be given? Surely anything relevant about the event would be reported in the Monday papers?

Dyr · 20-04-2014 07:33PM

sabat wrote: »

To answer the OP, I walked past earlier and there was 400 people there tops. There was no coverage because nobody really gives a sh1t.

Were you counting with all your fingers and toes?

http://www.thejournal.ie/easter-rising-commemorations-1425141-Apr2014/

Chips Lovell · 20-04-2014 07:37PM

que pasa wrote: »

I was having a read of the papers this morning and discovered that there is a military parade commemorating the 1916 Rising today. However, there is no mention of this in the Irish Times or the Irish Indo.

I don't know about the Indo, but the Times certainly mentioned it on Friday.

Even if neither did, they're under no obligation to. Both are private companies. Their role is to sell newspapers. They're not some kind of government mouthpiece.

Benny_Cake · 20-04-2014 07:40PM

que pasa wrote: »

I was having a read of the papers this morning and discovered that there is a military parade commemorating the 1916 Rising today. However, there is no mention of this in the Irish Times or the Irish Indo. I got this source from the Sunday World (http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/news/military-ceremony-to-commemorate-1916-easter-rising).

It seems as though every year the 1916 celebrations are played down and they are over before you even know they were scheduled. Fair enough, RTE had live coverage but why was it not advertised prior to this?

I think it was a ceremony rather than a military parade. I wasn't far from there this morning and there was no traffic disruption so it must have been fairly short and low key.

In two years there will be no shortage of military parades and such for those who are into that sort of thing.

Spring Onion · 20-04-2014 07:49PM

My name is URL wrote: »

So much self loathing and bitterness.

Always always this tired line when people are too weak to accept the truth. Keep the blinkers on so. Acceptance is the first step to change.

We could and should be a much better and fairer country

Son Of A Vidic · 20-04-2014 07:51PM

sillyoulfool wrote: »

1916 is way over-hyped, a failed and highly unpopular uprising led by a rag tag of extreme socialists on one side and extreme reactionary catholics on the other.
Why would we celebrate such an unpopular and failed enterprise?

Having lived and worked overseas for a good few years. It's one of the very few things that other nationalities seem to know about our history. The famous 1916 Rising and the shots that eventually brought down an empire. Unfortunately for a revisionist like yourself, I'm sorry to say, the 1916 Rising granted a celebrate hero status to little Ireland and inspired many around the globe.

Spring Onion · 20-04-2014 07:53PM

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

.. and then hand it over to the Church, who abused generations of Irish kids while keeping the social development of the country back for decades. Yep - well worthwhile!

Then we handed it off to the EU just as quick when the Church's influence started to loosen and sure we got some cash, but the EU has taken its fair share too in things like fishing rights (oh and forcing us and our kids to pay for the gambling debts of private institutions of course!), not to mention dismantling our hard-won "Independence" year after year to the point of where we are a tiny insignificant (but troublesome for our EU friends!) part in the glorious EU superstate - which itself is doomed to fail because of the inability to mix culture and politics with simple trade. The EU should never have grown beyond the EEC trade bloc it started as.

Back home what has Independence got us.. government after government of greedy, under-qualified, gombeens - cause shure letting a publican or primary school teacher behind the wheels of State can't go wrong! :rolleyes:

As for our laws and institutions, sure most of them are modelled on English examples anyway which wouldn't be a bad thing - except we don't learn from mistakes they made, and have to add an "Irish twist" to most of them so as to completely screw up the original intent.

The best thing we could do for the 1916 anniversary is hand the keys back and apologise for the mess we made of the place.

On the money.

Fred Swanson · 20-04-2014 07:58PM

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hmmm · 20-04-2014 07:59PM

Becauase it is hijacked by shinners and other assorted foaming at the mouth nutjobs who you'd try and move away from if you ended up sitting beside them in the pub.

Kermit.de.frog · 20-04-2014 08:01PM

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Bullsh!t. Grow a pair and go in to politics then. If you really mean what you say then act on it. Or are you all mouth and no action like the rest of them?

This country is great for people moaning and doing nothing about it.

In response to the person saying Ireland should be a fairer country - how is Ireland less fair than anywhere else in Europe?

Capitalist society brings more benefits than ills but never will everyone be equal nor everything fair. It is the price we pay.

Red Pepper · 20-04-2014 08:41PM

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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The political system does not help. You basically have to be a localised gombeen to become a TD. FG/Lab made a lot of pre-election promises on improving the system but they have only been tinkering so far. The number of TDs in the Dáil needs to be reduced by at least 60 to try and remove the "he fixed me potholes and appeared at me Dad's funeral, I am voting for him" mentality.

Femme_Fatale · 20-04-2014 09:06PM

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

The best thing we could do for the 1916 anniversary is hand the keys back and apologise for the mess we made of the place.

No country is above criticism. It shouldn't be difficult though to be self reflexive and critical of Ireland without resorting to the unbelievable toadying and simpering stuff like the above. "Self loathing" is not wide of the mark at all. Not to mention the insulting of an entire population.
The irony is, people like yourself and your thankers... live here, are Irish, do nothing to change things... yet somehow you feel you're in a position to criticise everyone else here, but not yourselves, despite being no different.

I'd be interested to know also what exactly is the problem with joining the EU? Lots of "better" countries have joined it. Or is it just another thing to add to the "self flagellating for the sake of it" list?

Why the lack of coverage?

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