Why the lack of coverage?

que pasa

I was having a read of the papers this morning and discovered that there is a military parade commemorating the 1916 Rising today. However, there is no mention of this in the Irish Times or the Irish Indo. I got this source from the Sunday World (http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/news/military-ceremony-to-commemorate-1916-easter-rising).

It seems as though every year the 1916 celebrations are played down and they are over before you even know they were scheduled. Fair enough, RTE had live coverage but why was it not advertised prior to this?

Do we not deserve our own Battelle Day or 4th of July or would it be fair to say that we don't live in an independent country?

sillyoulfool

que pasa wrote: »

I was having a read of the papers this morning and discovered that there is a military parade commemorating the 1916 Rising today. However, there is no mention of this in the Irish Times or the Irish Indo. I got this source from the Sunday World (http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/news/military-ceremony-to-commemorate-1916-easter-rising).

It seems as though every year the 1916 celebrations are played down and they are over before you even know they were scheduled. Fair enough, RTE had live coverage but why was it not advertised prior to this?

Do we not deserve our own Battelle Day or 4th of July or would it be fair to say that we don't live in an independent country?

1916 is way over-hyped, a failed and highly unpopular uprising led by a rag tag of extreme socialists on one side and extreme reactionary catholics on the other.
Why would we celebrate such an unpopular and failed enterprise?

Jesus Wept

Today is about celebrating chocolate. Don't you dare attempt to hijack that.

jamo2oo9

Our Year wrote: »

Today is about celebrating chocolate. Don't you dare attempt to hijack that.

And weed. Very important that you don't forget that!

sillyoulfool

Our Year wrote: »

Today is about celebrating chocolate. Don't you dare attempt to hijack that.

We could have a 1916 Easter egg, it would be a distorted mishmash of different types of chocolate, and of course it would be cracked!:D:D

Femme_Fatale

Lead story on Today FM news bulletin.

que pasa

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Lead story on Today FM news bulletin.

At what time? After the event had happened?

RobertKK

So what was Sabina wearing, this is the most important thing according to the media.

catallus

Don't worry OP, they're just saving up all the ink for two years time; we'll all be sick of 1916 by the time the Centenary Celebrations are over.

shanec1928

que pasa wrote: »

I was having a read of the papers this morning and discovered that there is a military parade commemorating the 1916 Rising today. However, there is no mention of this in the Irish Times or the Irish Indo. I got this source from the Sunday World (http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/news/military-ceremony-to-commemorate-1916-easter-rising).

It seems as though every year the 1916 celebrations are played down and they are over before you even know they were scheduled. Fair enough, RTE had live coverage but why was it not advertised prior to this?

Do we not deserve our own Battelle Day or 4th of July or would it be fair to say that we don't live in an independent country?

suprisingly thers one every year;)

RobertKK

catallus wrote: »

Don't worry OP, they're just saving up all the ink for two years time; we'll all be sick of 1916 by the time the Centenary Celebrations are over.

We will be ready for another revolution by then.

osarusan

que pasa wrote: »

or would it be fair to say that we don't live in an independent country?

This is the only conclusion that can be reached, I'm afraid.

Very sad.

orangesoda

There were commemorations up here today for the volunteers, I'll be commemorating the men who fought the Norsemen and Danes during the week though.

CarrickMcJoe

RobertKK wrote: »

So what was Sabina wearing, this is the most important thing according to the media.

You're so yesterday....It's WHO is Sabina wearing?

Tune into Tuesdays Lav Line to find out.

biko

Dublin rags in a nutshell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xvi9DjmINpA

Frank Lee Midere

sillyoulfool wrote: »

1916 is way over-hyped, a failed and highly unpopular uprising led by a rag tag of extreme socialists on one side and extreme reactionary catholics on the other.
Why would we celebrate such an unpopular and failed enterprise?

Because it led to the state you are living in?

Kermit.de.frog

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

Because it led to the state you are living in?

We are in some state in fairness.

sillyoulfool

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

Because it led to the state you are living in?

Nah, not true.
More romanticised revisionism.
We were going to get as much limited autonomy under Home Rule than we got under the Free State.

Kermit.de.frog

sillyoulfool wrote: »

Nah, not true.
More romanticised revisionism.
We were going to get as much limited autonomy under Home Rule than we got under the Free State.

That is revisionism. Do you think the British would have given us as many loopholes as they did to deconstruct our place in the empire over the following 20 years than they did had we not had the violence?

Their version of home rule would never have allowed successive governments to gradually dismantle British governance in Ireland like happened.

It would have been the end rather than the means to an end.

mickydoomsux

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

Because it led to the state you are living in?

Yeah? And?

It's done now and it's nearly a hundred years later. It's about time we got the place sorted out and running like a first world country rather than spending our time looking back.

Rather than waxing fantastic about the people involved how's about we shut the **** up and create a nation that's worth being proud of instead of going on and on about sacrifice and heroism and what not.

Surely that would do their memory more justice that numerous parades and ceremonies?

RobertKK

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Yeah? And?

It's done now and it's nearly a hundred years later. It's about time we got the place sorted out and running like a first world country rather than spending our time looking back.

Rather than waxing fantastic about the people involved how's about we shut the **** up and create a nation that's worth being proud of instead of going on and on about sacrifice and heroism and what not.

Surely that would do their memory more justice that numerous parades and ceremonies?

The politicians have it hijacked already.

Santa Cruz

catallus wrote: »

Don't worry OP, they're just saving up all the ink for two years time; we'll all be sick of 1916 by the time the Centenary Celebrations are over.

Don't forget we will have the full approval of the British Royal Family. The media will use this to distract us from the real purpose of the commemoration.
I suppose it will be a sign that "we have matured as a nation"

SEPT 23 1989

Two sets of lunatics fighting over who will control the people is nothing to celebrate the only losers for the next hundred years were the majority who did not have their noses buried in the trough

mickydoomsux

RobertKK wrote: »

The politicians have it hijacked already.

It's not even hijacking really. They are just doing what is expected of them by the public who treat the members of the rising like a holy pantheon that only exists to be revered ad nauseum.

Celebrate their achievements in your own way but for ****sake, get over it and get on with it.

So many sacred cows in this country.

Santa Cruz

sillyoulfool wrote: »

Nah, not true.
More romanticised revisionism.
We were going to get as much limited autonomy under Home Rule than we got under the Free State.

And under Home Rule we would still be supplying canon fodder for the British Army

sillyoulfool

Santa Cruz wrote: »

And under Home Rule we would still be supplying canon fodder for the British Army

How so, bearing in mind there was no conscription in Ireland.
We would have been no worse off if we had waited for home rule, we could have used that the same way we used the Free State to gain full independence.
You revisionists seem to forget just how unpopular Pearse and the rest of those loons were up to their execution. 1916 was a highly unpopular and disorganized rising designed to cause mayhem.

RobertKK

The coverage will be worse than the 1913 lock out coverage and the tenements falling down....even though it was idiots burning wood that was part of their houses...

I don't mind remembering anniversaries but the problem is it is usually done to death to the point you are bored silly by it.

mickydoomsux

Santa Cruz wrote: »

And under Home Rule we would still be supplying canon fodder for the British Army

Yeah, imagine that.

It not like the British Army actually has something like the Irish Guards or The Royal Irish Regiment that a good amount of people from the Republic enlist in to "supply cannon fodder for the British Army".

That kind of thing would only happen under Home Rule.

_Kaiser_

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

That is revisionism. Do you think the British would have given us as many loopholes as they did to deconstruct our place in the empire over the following 20 years than they did had we not had the violence?

Their version of home rule would never have allowed successive governments to gradually dismantle British governance in Ireland like happened.

.. and then hand it over to the Church, who abused generations of Irish kids while keeping the social development of the country back for decades. Yep - well worthwhile!

Then we handed it off to the EU just as quick when the Church's influence started to loosen and sure we got some cash, but the EU has taken its fair share too in things like fishing rights (oh and forcing us and our kids to pay for the gambling debts of private institutions of course!), not to mention dismantling our hard-won "Independence" year after year to the point of where we are a tiny insignificant (but troublesome for our EU friends!) part in the glorious EU superstate - which itself is doomed to fail because of the inability to mix culture and politics with simple trade. The EU should never have grown beyond the EEC trade bloc it started as.

Back home what has Independence got us.. government after government of greedy, under-qualified, gombeens - cause shure letting a publican or primary school teacher behind the wheels of State can't go wrong! :rolleyes:

As for our laws and institutions, sure most of them are modelled on English examples anyway which wouldn't be a bad thing - except we don't learn from mistakes they made, and have to add an "Irish twist" to most of them so as to completely screw up the original intent.

The best thing we could do for the 1916 anniversary is hand the keys back and apologise for the mess we made of the place.

My name is URL

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

The best thing we could do for the 1916 anniversary is hand the keys back and apologise for the mess we made of the place.

Pretty much sums up the meek, servile and week-willed attitude of most Irish people.

So much self loathing and bitterness. It fills me with joy that so many people with your attitude wake up every morning realizing ye still live here.

The UK as an economy or a society isn't exactly more progressive than we are. It's fast becoming one of the most xenophobic and separatist nations in the EU.. and is well on its way to being a fully fledged nanny state. Shur it's no wonder so many Irish look up to it!

Kermit.de.frog

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

The best thing we could do for the 1916 anniversary is hand the keys back and apologise for the mess we made of the place.

It's your vote. Use it properly than governments will be different.

I despise people who use terms like this.

It's not governments choosing to run Ireland - it is the people that choose the governments. Nothing to do with independence.

If that's what the people want, that is what they get.

We have nothing to apologise for as a sovereign country. Have some self respect and actually help change things rather than demean yourself and the rest of us with such silly comments.

You clearly have an inferiority complex.

_Kaiser_

My name is URL wrote: »

Pretty much sums up the meek, servile and week-willed attitude of most Irish people.

So much self loathing and bitterness. It fills me with joy that so many people with your attitude wake up every morning realizing ye still live here.

The UK as an economy or a society isn't exactly more progressive than we are. It's fast becoming one of the most xenophobic and separatist nations in the EU.. and is well on its way to being a fully fledged nanny state. Shur it's no wonder so many Irish look up to it!

Feel free to actually read the rest of my post and prove to me that we don't actually have all our major legislation and budgets approved by the EU, that the Church didn't mentally, physically and sexually abuse kids for decades, that condoms were actually legal before the early-90s, that Enda Kenny isn't in the Dail 38 years with nothing besides a few years primary school teaching and hid Daddy's name to get him there etc etc

The blind devotion to Ireland and refusal to acknowledge the many fundamental flaws it has is why the place IS the mess it is. Rather it is people with your attitude who accept this situation rather than speak out against it who are the weak-willed and servile among us.

My name is URL

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Yeah? And?

It's done now and it's nearly a hundred years later. It's about time we got the place sorted out and running like a first world country rather than spending our time looking back.

I take it you'll be saying that when the likes of Somme is 'remembered' next time round? It being one of the most foolish and costly military decisions the glorious brits have ever made and all. Funny how some things should be forgotten and others remembered, romanticised and celebrated isn't it.

_Kaiser_

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

It's your vote. Use it properly than governments will be different.

I despise people who use terms like this.

It's not governments choosing to run Ireland - it is the people that choose the governments. Nothing to do with independence.

If that's what the people want, that is what they get.

We have nothing to apologise for as a sovereign country. Have some self respect and actually help change things rather than demean yourself and the rest of us with such silly comments.

You clearly have an inferiority complex.

THe problem with your post (while sound in theory) is that the Irish political system is also broken..

People DID vote for change and reform in 2011 remember and what did we get? Another bunch of lying, self-serving corrupt politicians in the guise of FG and LAB - who are actually managing to be worse than FF which is some achievement, and also why that shower will be back next time round!

Temptamperu

Wasnt it in the papers when enda invited some brits to it?

Kermit.de.frog

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

Feel free to actually read the rest of my post and prove to me that we don't actually have all our major legislation and budgets approved by the EU, that the Church didn't mentally, physically and sexually abuse kids for decades, that condoms were actually legal before the early-90s, that Enda Kenny isn't in the Dail 38 years with nothing besides a few years primary school teaching and hid Daddy's name to get him there etc etc

So sh!t in other European countries doesn't stink? Look at the BBC ffs and that is only the tip of the ice berg in the UK about child abuse.

I would hazard that proportionally in Ireland we know a lot more about this stuff going on than in many other countries and that makes it seem so much worse.

_Kaiser_

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

So sh!t in other European country's doesn't stink? Look at the BBC ffs and that is only the tip of the ice berg in the UK about child abuse.

The difference there is that when such <insert term of choice here.. I would but it'd get me banned> DO get caught over there, they are penalised for it.

Here we have a massive, expensive investigation at public expense, a determination is made and the Church gives two fingers to the victims anyway (as in the Magdelene survivors)

Politics? In the UK politicians actually DO resign - not like here where people like Shatter and Reilly continue on collecting their salary while good people pay the price for it.

I'm not saying the UK is perfect by any means, but it's a lot better than this place!

Dyr

sillyoulfool wrote: »

Nah, not true.
More romanticised revisionism.
We were going to get as much limited autonomy under Home Rule than we got under the Free State.

orly? and youre on about revisionism

sabat

To answer the OP, I walked past earlier and there was 400 people there tops. There was no coverage because nobody really gives a sh1t.

Guy:Incognito

shanec1928 wrote: »

suprisingly thers one every year;)

Is the 98th anniversary not the big one? :-)

pablomakaveli

Don't know why anyone would think there's a lack of coverage. I'm not even living in Ireland and i was well aware of the parade was going on today.

Frank Lee Midere

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

So sh!t in other European countries doesn't stink? Look at the BBC ffs and that is only the tip of the ice berg in the UK about child abuse.

I would hazard that proportionally in Ireland we know a lot more about this stuff going on than in many other countries and that makes it seem so much worse.

Every so often there is some expose about abuse in British institutions - like the Times on public schools etc. What there isn't is any kind of extra-judicial inquiry into child abuse across the UK like the Ryan reports which weren't dependent on full due process but were reports from victims. Meanwhile the UK doesn't really investigate this stuff systematically. Nor will it.

In any case why is that the only thing to be guilty about? The British empire was hardly a barrel of laughs.

Frank Lee Midere

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

The difference there is that when such <insert term of choice here.. I would but it'd get me banned> DO get caught over there, they are penalised for it.

Here we have a massive, expensive investigation at public expense, a determination is made and the Church gives two fingers to the victims anyway (as in the Magdelene survivors)

Politics? In the UK politicians actually DO resign - not like here where people like Shatter and Reilly continue on collecting their salary while good people pay the price for it.

I'm not saying the UK is perfect by any means, but it's a lot better than this place!

It's the very lack of investigation in the UK which should motivate you. And the British expenses scandal is as bad or worse as anything here. In any case you never hear British people questioning the legitimacy of the state. They attack the politicians not the state.


The "hand it back" mentality is almost beyond satire. There are two parts of this island one run by the UK. I know which one I would live in. There are continuing increases in welsh and Scottish separatism but we still have the mourners of empire ( it's gone lads) wanting to hand it back.

Unless you think that the Britush would have set up an IDA then we would clearly be poorer under the UK. Wages are worse there than here anyway but London rule really is London rule - no other country is run for one small region, the South East. There is no attempt to re industrialise the north, Scotland had the poll tax forced upon it, wales devastated by mine closures, the south west is allowed to be flooded for months until a minister turns up. Ireland would be materially worse.

bnt

Ah, so that's why the Irish Air Force - all 4 planes - was flying over us today. :cool:

Karl Stein

sillyoulfool wrote: »

We were going to get as much limited autonomy under Home Rule than we got under the Free State.

Clueless bull, but then we shouldn't expect anything less from the pro-Empire apologists.

We'd have ended up as a UK dependency with a constant insurgency, a bit like the north in the 80's.

What was on offer before 1916 was Home Rule – devolution, well short of independence. It is assumed by many that Home Rule would have evolved automatically into sovereign independence [...] The truth is that without 1916 our people might well have settled down for a time at least within a Home Rule system [...] with the evolution of the welfare state, Ireland would have become increasingly dependent financially on Britain.

If Home Rule had endured for any length of time, a move to independence would have become so costly in the short-run that it is most unlikely that there would ever have been a willingness to pay the price of doing without these transfers.

You'll never guess what anti-establishment, rebel loving, militant wrote that?

Garret Fitzgerald

Nodin

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

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The best thing we could do for the 1916 anniversary is hand the keys back and apologise for the mess we made of the place.

Pathetic.

que pasa

Ireland is great when it comes to commemorations. Huge parades marking St. Patrick's Day; a bloody Welsh Saint, even a day off.

When it comes to anything political it's all hush hush.

2008 was the year the Famine received official recognition as a day of remembrance. 2008???

Celly Smunt

in fairness it would've been so much cooler if they had've waited until '69

goose2005

que pasa wrote: »

Ireland is great when it comes to commemorations. Huge parades marking St. Patrick's Day; a bloody Welsh Saint, even a day off.

When it comes to anything political it's all hush hush.

2008 was the year the Famine received official recognition as a day of remembrance. 2008???

There was also huge commemorations in 1995 of the 150th anniversary. And one reason that it's uncomfortable to celebrate 1916/18/19/21/22 is that hanging over them is partition and the civil war.

Amirani

que pasa wrote: »

I was having a read of the papers this morning and discovered that there is a military parade commemorating the 1916 Rising today. However, there is no mention of this in the Irish Times or the Irish Indo. I got this source from the Sunday World (http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/news/military-ceremony-to-commemorate-1916-easter-rising).

There's no Sunday edition of the Irish Times?

What sort of coverage would you expect you be given? Surely anything relevant about the event would be reported in the Monday papers?

Dyr

sabat wrote: »

To answer the OP, I walked past earlier and there was 400 people there tops. There was no coverage because nobody really gives a sh1t.

Were you counting with all your fingers and toes?

http://www.thejournal.ie/easter-rising-commemorations-1425141-Apr2014/