No Windfarms, No Fracking, No Nuclear Power ?

Firblog · 15-04-2014 10:16PM

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

every rural dwelling had a mini wind turbine

Aren't these uneconomical?

Know 2 people with wind turbines, both more swear at them than by them, totally unreliable, one of them maintains it himself and says it'd cost him ton of money every year if he had to pay someone to do it, the other is an old dear who got the system 3 years ago and says it's never worked right since; again totally unreliable - and not because of lack of wind

Cantremember · 15-04-2014 10:17PM

Keep dancing at the crossroads and listening to Micheal O'Hehir. That will keep us all warm.

Sh1tbag OToole · 15-04-2014 10:18PM

Robbo wrote: »

Remember kids: "But it'll effect the soaring value and beautiful amenity of my lovely Bungalow Bliss one off, dependent on the daysul Passat, house" is code for "I'm negotiating a better bribe".

You use the daysul passat to turn a generator to provide power for the bungalow?

Lurching · 15-04-2014 10:21PM

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Fusion is key longer term but isn't going to be commercially available in the short term.

Short of that micro generation is what we should be looking at now that there are proper smart meters being installed everywhere. If every house had a solar roof and every rural dwelling had a mini wind turbine the base generation capacity would be enormous and distributed far better than current.

It would be interesting to see what would happen if there were tax breaks proposed for high energy consuming businesses to produce say 50% of their own energy through renewable means, on site.
Each case would need to be approved by a regulatory body to ensure loopholes weren't created.

Sh1tbag OToole · 15-04-2014 10:22PM

131spanner wrote: »

Keep burning fossil fuels to fook. We're here for a good time, not for a long time :cool:

If we don't burn em the Chinese will burn them for us

Frank Lee Midere · 15-04-2014 10:22PM

BASHIR wrote: »

Not only our energy sources, to mention that every daily item is made directly and indirectly from oil.
Every synthetic polymer (plastic) item is refined directly from crude oil. not only that but
shipping these goods burns tons of oil.
I'm not sure how reliable the source is but I read on the guardian before that 1 of the giant shipping containers produce as much emissions in a year than 50 million cars.
This energy source is dwindling and the effects this will have is incomprehensible tbh.

Or we will use something else.

kneemos · 15-04-2014 10:23PM

Lurching wrote: »

It would be interesting to see what would happen if there were tax breaks proposed for high energy consuming businesses to produce say 50% of their own energy through renewable means, on site.
Each case would need to be approved by a regulatory body to ensure loopholes weren't created.

How would they do that?

Dempsey · 15-04-2014 10:25PM

Davarus Walrus wrote: »

There is a rump of Irish society that is perennially in a state of protest. Latching on to causes and saying no to everything. I don't think they actually have a cohesive ideology or belief system; more a sense of anger projected on a world that has failed them. So no to new power sources, yet outrage at rising energy costs. Something about the environment as well.

I won't comment on my personal preference for future energy needs, as I work in the industry and am biased towards a certain solution.

Nail on the head!

All the Irish want is their paw greased in any major infrastructure project, thats it really.

Want cheap energy? No fracking or fossil fuels

What more carbon neutral alternatives? Nuclear Wind Energy & Hydroelectricity all have high costs and not to mention other perceived drawbacks like aesthetic & ecological. Solar, Geothermal, Tidal are all less/not suitable in their current form so thats leaves this country with what, Biomass?? :rolleyes:

Oh, forget about maintaining our distribution network. We should wait until we are having Brown outs & Power Outages before that penny drops.

Whilst I didnt agree with the Wind Farms for supplying the UK market, I dont agree with alot of the protestors on what Ireland's energy policy should be.

Lapin · 15-04-2014 10:26PM

Agreed re the windfarms. Ugly yokes blotting the countryside and they produce feckall electricity.

None at all for 70% of the time.

Not sure about fracking. If it happens in Leitrim I don't mind.

Nuclear Power all the way. Build the power stations in Cork.

biko wrote: »

Burn Athlone, that should keep us warm for a couple months.

Now ye're talkin' !

2 stroke wrote: »

I cannot understand how anyone can think that. Nuclear power will never pay for the thousands of years of aftercare it leaves behind.

Just build another power station to cover the costs of aftercare for the first one when it eventually closes down.

kinklee7 · 15-04-2014 10:27PM

Just get power like magic ! Will Magic affect my children ? FFS !

freedominacup · 15-04-2014 10:27PM

2 stroke wrote: »

I cannot understand how anyone can think that. Nuclear power will never pay for the thousands of years of aftercare it leaves behind.

Ask James lovelock what he'd do with the waste.

keith16 · 15-04-2014 10:27PM

Davarus Walrus wrote: »

There is a rump of Irish society that is perennially in a state of protest. Latching on to causes and saying no to everything. I don't think they actually have a cohesive ideology or belief system; more a sense of anger projected on a world that has failed them. So no to new power sources, yet outrage at rising energy costs. Something about the environment as well.

I won't comment on my personal preference for future energy needs, as I work in the industry and am biased towards a certain solution.

Would you rather live in a passive society where protest doesn't happen at all? Why shouldn't there be a section of society that stands up and gets people talking about things?

People are righlty worried about things. Why would you trust people like BP / Shell / Exxon when they have been at the centre of some of the Worlds biggest ecological disasters.

I don't know much about fracking, but again, there are huge questions over its sustainability and safety.

I agree that we need sustainable energy sources and people need to face facts like the need for wind farms and possibly nuclear power. But as with government policy in every other area of society, it's unclear, lacks long term planning and is just cobbled together at the behest of interests outside of ordinary people.

I also agree that a lot of the protesters let themselves down with the way they go about things, but I'm not going to just shout down their right to protest just because "just feic off and let us build stuff"

Sh1tbag OToole · 15-04-2014 10:29PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Nail on the head!

All the Irish want is their paw greased in any major infrastructure project, thats it really.

Want cheap energy? No fracking or fossil fuels

What more carbon neutral alternatives? Nuclear Wind Energy & Hydroelectricity all have high costs and not to mention other perceived drawbacks like aesthetic & ecological. Solar, Geothermal, Tidal are all less/not suitable in their current form so thats leaves this country with what, Biomass?? :rolleyes:

Oh, forget about maintaining our distribution network. We should wait until we are having Brown outs & Power Outages before that penny drops.

Whilst I didnt agree with the Wind Farms for supplying the UK market, I dont agree with alot of the protestors on what Ireland's energy policy should be.

There wont be brown outs and outages, it will be more subtle. We will start building or paying foreign companies to build interconnectors like mad as the shortage looms, then we start importing and paying dear for power, then we go bankrupt and the EU get to fleece us in interest on another bailout

15-04-2014 10:55PM

For a start, plant the other 193 turbines that were originally meant to make up the Arklow bank offshore wind farm. Then get the other planned Irish sea wind farms up and running, Codling bank, the Dublin Array and Oriel. Hear work is to begin on the Dublin Array next year.

Not a cheap solution but for some security of supply, Frack away! 70% plus of our electricity is from gas generation and we have very little of our own. Not too sure of the ESB and government line that the UK will continue to supply us come what may. Will they let Manchester or some other major city go dark just to keep the lights on in Ireland? unlikely I think.

Not so keen on the Nuclear idea, many in the various nuclear authorities are open that is not a case of "if" another accident happens but "when". Irrelevant in ireland anyway as if they could not get the go ahead for a waste plant there is no hope of ever getting the go ahead for a nuclear plant.

Ireland being as it is, most will be back to candle light before anything is decided.

Dempsey · 15-04-2014 10:56PM

323 wrote: »

For a start, plant the other 193 turbines that were originally meant to make up the Arklow bank offshore wind farm. Then get the other planned Irish sea wind farms up and running, Codling bank, the Dublin Array and Oriel. Hear work is to begin on the Dublin Array next year.

Not a cheap solution but for some security of supply, Frack away! 70% plus of our electricity is from gas generation and we have very little of our own. Not too sure of the ESB and government line that the UK will continue to supply us come what may. Will they let Manchester or some other major city go dark just to keep the lights on in Ireland? unlikely I think.

Not so keen on the Nuclear idea, many in the various nuclear authorities are open that is not a case of "if" another accident happens but "when". Irrelevant in ireland anyway as if they could not get the go ahead for a waste plant there is no hope of ever getting the go ahead for a nuclear plant.

Ireland being as it is, most will be back to candle light before anything is decided.

Someone tell the French this!!

Ompala · 15-04-2014 11:01PM

Nuclear is only option methinks

15-04-2014 11:07PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Someone tell the French this!!

Most of my work is with the French. Gave up trying to tell a Frenchman anything about anything, apart from rugby:),many years ago.

theKillerBite · 15-04-2014 11:16PM

Ompala wrote: »

Nuclear is only option methinks

Coal and gas are the cheap energy fuels.

comongethappy · 15-04-2014 11:21PM

theKillerBite wrote: »

Coal and gas are the cheap energy fuels.

If we want to be serious about low carbon, alternatives need to be given priority.

As to the future if gas?
Who knows.

The only bit we have is perpetually blocked by some nut-bars in Mayo & some English hippies.

Zillah · 15-04-2014 11:38PM

Fusion won't be live for another thirty years. Which is a shame. Once it is, though, everything is going to change. We're an oil-based economy. Any idea anyone has ever had where someone else has replied saying "That's too expensive"...they had to say that because our energy supplies are limited by the amount of oil we have. Fusion power plants use sea water. People will have almost no reason to say "That's too expensive" once fusion power is up and running. It is the holy grail of energy production, it is not a fantasy, it is a matter of time.

We're talking supersonic electric-jet travel for the price of a bus ticket. We're talking flying into space for the weekend. We're talking grabbing asteroids from space for resources. Fusion is going to shatter our conception of what's possible or feasible. With limitless energy you can turn seawater into fresh water cheaply and use it to turn deserts into farms.

We just gotta last that long. As fossil fuels get more expensive solar will get more economically feasible. Just because Ireland isn't 'sunny' in the popular sense doesn't mean we can't have solar. Anywhere a tree can grow a solar panel can generate power.

C14N · 16-04-2014 01:32AM

SamAK wrote: »

Nuclear Fusion, pretty please.

How about a bit of Gilette Fusion? That's mostly the same right?

Really, wind alone probably won't do it but it can be a big part of our overall energy.

visual · 16-04-2014 02:22AM

C14N wrote: »

How about a bit of Gilette Fusion? That's mostly the same right?

Really, wind alone probably won't do it but it can be a big part of our overall energy.

Wind is only viable if its heavily subsidise
cost the Germans nearly 300 euro per year per person extra and Co2 is increasing.

Unless of course your prepared that 70% of the time you flick on the light switch nothing happens and the remaining 30% of the time the lights flicker

visual · 16-04-2014 02:24AM

C14N wrote: »

How about a bit of Gilette Fusion? That's mostly the same right?

Really, wind alone probably won't do it but it can be a big part of our overall energy.

Wind is only viable if its heavily subsidise
cost the Germans nearly 300 euro per year per person extra and Co2 is increasing.

Unless of course your prepared that 70% of the time you flick on the light switch nothing happens and the remaining 30% of the time the lights flicker

Mickey H · 16-04-2014 02:51AM

No Windfarms, No Fracking, No Nuclear Power ?

What? Won't be able to sh1te next.

Fusion power ASAP please.

sdanseo · 16-04-2014 03:21AM

Mass breed billions of these guys and wire 'em up. World's energy sorted.

enda1 · 16-04-2014 03:18PM

Pretty happy with the status quo of building nukes in France and the UK and putting cables across to them. The concept of Ireland starting a nuclear generation programme seems pretty foolish to me when we can reap the expertise and economy of scale of our neighbours.

SEPT 23 1989 · 16-04-2014 03:24PM

I am in favour of Nuclear power but the words "Irish Nuclear Power Regulator" fillls me with terror

OwaynOTT · 16-04-2014 03:33PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I am in favour of Nuclear power but the words "Irish Nuclear Power Regulator" fillls me with terror

Just about to post something similar. If the worry about nuclear power is not 'if' but 'when', in an Irish context it would become 'how often'.
Everything we touch turns to shiote and there is no way I'd feel confident with a nuclear power factory being manned by jobbridge.

Calibos · 16-04-2014 07:38PM

enda1 wrote: »

Pretty happy with the status quo of building nukes in France and the UK and putting cables across to them. The concept of Ireland starting a nuclear generation programme seems pretty foolish to me when we can reap the expertise and economy of scale of our neighbours.

Sure we even complain about inter-connectors in this country.

We should be the Wind Specialists. The Brits, the generalists, the Spanish the Solarists, the Norwegians the Hydrologists, the French the Nuclearists. Leave the Germans being the Coalists after their kneejerk reaction to nuclear following fukishima.

Speaking of which. Best advertisement for nuclear in my mind not the worst.
0 Deaths from a meltdown in a first generation plant after probably the biggest earthquake and Tsunami waves in millenia. Radiation fears are overblown. Airliner pilots get more radiation exposure in their careers than the workers doing the cleanup of the 'Worst Nuclear disaster in history'

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I am in favour of Nuclear power but the words "Irish Nuclear Power Regulator" fillls me with terror

I thanked the post because its funny but in fairness to ESB they are a world class organisation. They are also one of the few semi states where I don't begrudge them their wages or overtime or pensions. Whenever that emotion rears its head again I only have to see one of them up a huge cherry picker surrounded by high voltage electrical cables in gale force winds and torrential rain and I'll say to myself again, "Nah, ye earn it lads!"

Chinasea · 16-04-2014 08:00PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Nail on the head!

All the Irish want is their paw greased in any major infrastructure project, thats it really.

Want cheap energy? No fracking or fossil fuels

What more carbon neutral alternatives? Nuclear Wind Energy & Hydroelectricity all have high costs and not to mention other perceived drawbacks like aesthetic & ecological. Solar, Geothermal, Tidal are all less/not suitable in their current form so thats leaves this country with what, Biomass?? :rolleyes:

Oh, forget about maintaining our distribution network. We should wait until we are having Brown outs & Power Outages before that penny drops.

Whilst I didnt agree with the Wind Farms for supplying the UK market, I dont agree with alot of the protestors on what Ireland's energy policy should be.

And furthermore in a country with the fastest scariest population growth in Europe they were brain washin their kids and marchin them on mass to protest against, possibly a chance of having a sustainable future.
Now these children too are being encouraged to procreate like rabbits in the future cause they won.t get charged for water. Tis no wonder.

No Windfarms, No Fracking, No Nuclear Power ?

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