No Windfarms, No Fracking, No Nuclear Power ?

kinklee7

Fossel Fuel wont last forever ! What do you suggest to generate the power we will need going forward ? I think one decent Nuclear power plant would suffice. Oh and No to the the waste plant in Ringsend which would make a big hole in Landfill. I just want to know, What do you want ? We cant burn turf forever cos they want to retain the bogs ? I am on the fence, I don't know...

wazky

Burn ghost estates full of bondholders.

/thankswhoring

WilyCoyote

No future!

The Aussie

Some people just won't be happy till we are all sitting in a dark room eating a big bowl of Tofu.... Tofu for all I say.

Red Pepper

I love windfarms. New one went up near us recently. Majestic sight.

bodice ripper

Last time I saw a title like that, it was written on a big sign being carried by a white girl with dreadlocks with ring-pulls tied in.

jane82

The nhs burn dead babies apparantly.

Sam Russell

Whatever happened to the phone mast protesters?

Oh, yea - they got smart-phones.

kneemos

Red Pepper wrote: »

I lovMe windfarms. New one went up near us recently. Majestic sight.

Hideous looking waste of money.

biko

Burn Athlone, that should keep us warm for a couple months.

visual

Wind technology just isn't feasible at present
but nuclear power is.

We should have built a plant long ago but better later than never.

However no one wants it it there back garden so wherever they put it there will be nay sayers

If we discovered oil it be hassle getting it ashore with nay sayers

SamAK

Nuclear Fusion, pretty please.

Outkast_IRE

kneemos wrote: »

Hideous looking waste of money.

I quite like the look of them too. When planned right they can be an amazing sight.

Red Pepper

kneemos wrote: »

Hideous looking waste of money.

why did you edit my post? I don't like the look of that M.

monkeysnapper

jane82 wrote: »

The nhs burn dead babies apparantly.

Your really sick

Davarus Walrus

There is a rump of Irish society that is perennially in a state of protest. Latching on to causes and saying no to everything. I don't think they actually have a cohesive ideology or belief system; more a sense of anger projected on a world that has failed them. So no to new power sources, yet outrage at rising energy costs. Something about the environment as well.

I won't comment on my personal preference for future energy needs, as I work in the industry and am biased towards a certain solution.

jane82

monkeysnapper wrote: »

Your really sick

No they do.
Im not the one burning the babies

DazMarz

Sums it all up quite better than I ever could:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIa8XZxYvrI

Red Pepper

Davarus Walrus wrote: »

There is a rump of Irish society that is perennially in a state of protest. Latching on to causes and saying no to everything. I don't think they actually have a cohesive ideology or belief system; more a sense of anger projected on a world that has failed them.

Absofückinglutely spot on Mr Walrus!!

This post should be the 2nd post in all After Hours threads!

Well said Sir, well said.

Sh1tbag OToole

SamAK wrote: »

Nuclear Fusion, pretty please.

Mr. Fusion is coming out next year

kneemos

Davarus Walrus wrote: »

There is a rump of Irish society that is perennially in a state of protest. Latching on to causes and saying no to everything. I don't think they actually have a cohesive ideology or belief system; more a sense of anger projected on a world that has failed them. So no to new power sources, yet outrage at rising energy costs. Something about the environment as well.

I won't comment on my personal preference for future energy needs, as I work in the industry and am biased towards a certain solution.

Think you're supposed to be biased on the web.

2 stroke

visual wrote: »

Wind technology just isn't feasible at present
but nuclear power is.

I cannot understand how anyone can think that. Nuclear power will never pay for the thousands of years of aftercare it leaves behind.

darkpagandeath

Sh1tbag OToole wrote: »

Mr. Fusion is coming out next year

Depends if they can get that Laser to fire multiple times a second and not once or twice a day.

131spanner

Keep burning fossil fuels to fook. We're here for a good time, not for a long time :cool:

kneemos

Red Pepper wrote: »

why did you edit my post? I don't like the look of that M.

Dunno what happened there.

Nino Brown

2 stroke wrote: »

I cannot understand how anyone can think that. Nuclear power will never pay for the thousands of years of aftercare it leaves behind.

That attitude is the problem. Not all nuclear reactors produce mountains of waste. Thorium reactors actually consume nuclear waste. But because people are so anti nuclear it doesn't get the funding it needs to get off the ground.

And nuclear is by far the safest method of power generation. By so far its not even close to any others. I think the inconvenience of disposing of waste is better than the massive deaths caused by oil, coal, gas etc.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2012/06/10/energys-deathprint-a-price-always-paid/


Energy Source Mortality Rate (deaths/trillionkWhr)

Coal – global average 170,000 (50% global electricity)

Coal – China 280,000 (75% China’s electricity)

Coal – U.S. 15,000 (44% U.S. electricity)

Oil 36,000 (36% of energy, 8% of electricity)

Natural Gas 4,000 (20% global electricity)

Biofuel/Biomass 24,000 (21% global energy)

Solar (rooftop) 440 (< 1% global electricity)

Wind 150 (~ 1% global electricity)

Hydro – global average 1,400 (15% global electricity)

Nuclear – global average 90 (17% global electricity w/Chern&Fukush)

Robbo

Remember kids: "But it'll effect the soaring value and beautiful amenity of my lovely Bungalow Bliss one off, dependent on the daysul Passat, house" is code for "I'm negotiating a better bribe".

Cookie_Monster

Fusion is key longer term but isn't going to be commercially available in the short term.

Short of that micro generation is what we should be looking at now that there are proper smart meters being installed everywhere. If every house had a solar roof and every rural dwelling had a mini wind turbine the base generation capacity would be enormous and distributed far better than current.

BlaasForRafa

biko wrote: »

Burn Athlone, that should keep us warm for a couple months.

And Longford, Mullingar and Birr while yer at it.

BASHIR

Not only our energy sources, to mention that every daily item is made directly and indirectly from oil.
Every synthetic polymer (plastic) item is refined directly from crude oil. not only that but
shipping these goods burns tons of oil.
I'm not sure how reliable the source is but I read on the guardian before that 1 of the giant shipping containers produce as much emissions in a year than 50 million cars.
This energy source is dwindling and the effects this will have is incomprehensible tbh.

kinklee7

RTE 1 Now !

Firblog

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

every rural dwelling had a mini wind turbine

Aren't these uneconomical?

Know 2 people with wind turbines, both more swear at them than by them, totally unreliable, one of them maintains it himself and says it'd cost him ton of money every year if he had to pay someone to do it, the other is an old dear who got the system 3 years ago and says it's never worked right since; again totally unreliable - and not because of lack of wind

Cantremember

Keep dancing at the crossroads and listening to Micheal O'Hehir. That will keep us all warm.

Sh1tbag OToole

Robbo wrote: »

Remember kids: "But it'll effect the soaring value and beautiful amenity of my lovely Bungalow Bliss one off, dependent on the daysul Passat, house" is code for "I'm negotiating a better bribe".

You use the daysul passat to turn a generator to provide power for the bungalow?

Lurching

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Fusion is key longer term but isn't going to be commercially available in the short term.

Short of that micro generation is what we should be looking at now that there are proper smart meters being installed everywhere. If every house had a solar roof and every rural dwelling had a mini wind turbine the base generation capacity would be enormous and distributed far better than current.

It would be interesting to see what would happen if there were tax breaks proposed for high energy consuming businesses to produce say 50% of their own energy through renewable means, on site.
Each case would need to be approved by a regulatory body to ensure loopholes weren't created.

Sh1tbag OToole

131spanner wrote: »

Keep burning fossil fuels to fook. We're here for a good time, not for a long time :cool:

If we don't burn em the Chinese will burn them for us

Frank Lee Midere

BASHIR wrote: »

Not only our energy sources, to mention that every daily item is made directly and indirectly from oil.
Every synthetic polymer (plastic) item is refined directly from crude oil. not only that but
shipping these goods burns tons of oil.
I'm not sure how reliable the source is but I read on the guardian before that 1 of the giant shipping containers produce as much emissions in a year than 50 million cars.
This energy source is dwindling and the effects this will have is incomprehensible tbh.

Or we will use something else.

kneemos

Lurching wrote: »

It would be interesting to see what would happen if there were tax breaks proposed for high energy consuming businesses to produce say 50% of their own energy through renewable means, on site.
Each case would need to be approved by a regulatory body to ensure loopholes weren't created.

How would they do that?

Dempsey

Davarus Walrus wrote: »

There is a rump of Irish society that is perennially in a state of protest. Latching on to causes and saying no to everything. I don't think they actually have a cohesive ideology or belief system; more a sense of anger projected on a world that has failed them. So no to new power sources, yet outrage at rising energy costs. Something about the environment as well.

I won't comment on my personal preference for future energy needs, as I work in the industry and am biased towards a certain solution.

Nail on the head!

All the Irish want is their paw greased in any major infrastructure project, thats it really.

Want cheap energy? No fracking or fossil fuels

What more carbon neutral alternatives? Nuclear Wind Energy & Hydroelectricity all have high costs and not to mention other perceived drawbacks like aesthetic & ecological. Solar, Geothermal, Tidal are all less/not suitable in their current form so thats leaves this country with what, Biomass?? :rolleyes:

Oh, forget about maintaining our distribution network. We should wait until we are having Brown outs & Power Outages before that penny drops.

Whilst I didnt agree with the Wind Farms for supplying the UK market, I dont agree with alot of the protestors on what Ireland's energy policy should be.

Lapin

Agreed re the windfarms. Ugly yokes blotting the countryside and they produce feckall electricity.

None at all for 70% of the time.

Not sure about fracking. If it happens in Leitrim I don't mind.

Nuclear Power all the way. Build the power stations in Cork.

biko wrote: »

Burn Athlone, that should keep us warm for a couple months.

Now ye're talkin' !

2 stroke wrote: »

I cannot understand how anyone can think that. Nuclear power will never pay for the thousands of years of aftercare it leaves behind.

Just build another power station to cover the costs of aftercare for the first one when it eventually closes down.

kinklee7

Just get power like magic ! Will Magic affect my children ? FFS !

freedominacup

2 stroke wrote: »

I cannot understand how anyone can think that. Nuclear power will never pay for the thousands of years of aftercare it leaves behind.

Ask James lovelock what he'd do with the waste.

keith16

Davarus Walrus wrote: »

There is a rump of Irish society that is perennially in a state of protest. Latching on to causes and saying no to everything. I don't think they actually have a cohesive ideology or belief system; more a sense of anger projected on a world that has failed them. So no to new power sources, yet outrage at rising energy costs. Something about the environment as well.

I won't comment on my personal preference for future energy needs, as I work in the industry and am biased towards a certain solution.

Would you rather live in a passive society where protest doesn't happen at all? Why shouldn't there be a section of society that stands up and gets people talking about things?

People are righlty worried about things. Why would you trust people like BP / Shell / Exxon when they have been at the centre of some of the Worlds biggest ecological disasters.

I don't know much about fracking, but again, there are huge questions over its sustainability and safety.

I agree that we need sustainable energy sources and people need to face facts like the need for wind farms and possibly nuclear power. But as with government policy in every other area of society, it's unclear, lacks long term planning and is just cobbled together at the behest of interests outside of ordinary people.

I also agree that a lot of the protesters let themselves down with the way they go about things, but I'm not going to just shout down their right to protest just because "just feic off and let us build stuff"

Sh1tbag OToole

Dempsey wrote: »

Nail on the head!

All the Irish want is their paw greased in any major infrastructure project, thats it really.

Want cheap energy? No fracking or fossil fuels

What more carbon neutral alternatives? Nuclear Wind Energy & Hydroelectricity all have high costs and not to mention other perceived drawbacks like aesthetic & ecological. Solar, Geothermal, Tidal are all less/not suitable in their current form so thats leaves this country with what, Biomass?? :rolleyes:

Oh, forget about maintaining our distribution network. We should wait until we are having Brown outs & Power Outages before that penny drops.

Whilst I didnt agree with the Wind Farms for supplying the UK market, I dont agree with alot of the protestors on what Ireland's energy policy should be.

There wont be brown outs and outages, it will be more subtle. We will start building or paying foreign companies to build interconnectors like mad as the shortage looms, then we start importing and paying dear for power, then we go bankrupt and the EU get to fleece us in interest on another bailout

323

For a start, plant the other 193 turbines that were originally meant to make up the Arklow bank offshore wind farm. Then get the other planned Irish sea wind farms up and running, Codling bank, the Dublin Array and Oriel. Hear work is to begin on the Dublin Array next year.

Not a cheap solution but for some security of supply, Frack away! 70% plus of our electricity is from gas generation and we have very little of our own. Not too sure of the ESB and government line that the UK will continue to supply us come what may. Will they let Manchester or some other major city go dark just to keep the lights on in Ireland? unlikely I think.

Not so keen on the Nuclear idea, many in the various nuclear authorities are open that is not a case of "if" another accident happens but "when". Irrelevant in ireland anyway as if they could not get the go ahead for a waste plant there is no hope of ever getting the go ahead for a nuclear plant.

Ireland being as it is, most will be back to candle light before anything is decided.

Dempsey

323 wrote: »

For a start, plant the other 193 turbines that were originally meant to make up the Arklow bank offshore wind farm. Then get the other planned Irish sea wind farms up and running, Codling bank, the Dublin Array and Oriel. Hear work is to begin on the Dublin Array next year.

Not a cheap solution but for some security of supply, Frack away! 70% plus of our electricity is from gas generation and we have very little of our own. Not too sure of the ESB and government line that the UK will continue to supply us come what may. Will they let Manchester or some other major city go dark just to keep the lights on in Ireland? unlikely I think.

Not so keen on the Nuclear idea, many in the various nuclear authorities are open that is not a case of "if" another accident happens but "when". Irrelevant in ireland anyway as if they could not get the go ahead for a waste plant there is no hope of ever getting the go ahead for a nuclear plant.

Ireland being as it is, most will be back to candle light before anything is decided.

Someone tell the French this!!

Ompala

Nuclear is only option methinks

323

Dempsey wrote: »

Someone tell the French this!!

Most of my work is with the French. Gave up trying to tell a Frenchman anything about anything, apart from rugby:),many years ago.

theKillerBite

Ompala wrote: »

Nuclear is only option methinks

Coal and gas are the cheap energy fuels.

comongethappy

theKillerBite wrote: »

Coal and gas are the cheap energy fuels.

If we want to be serious about low carbon, alternatives need to be given priority.

As to the future if gas?
Who knows.

The only bit we have is perpetually blocked by some nut-bars in Mayo & some English hippies.

Zillah

Fusion won't be live for another thirty years. Which is a shame. Once it is, though, everything is going to change. We're an oil-based economy. Any idea anyone has ever had where someone else has replied saying "That's too expensive"...they had to say that because our energy supplies are limited by the amount of oil we have. Fusion power plants use sea water. People will have almost no reason to say "That's too expensive" once fusion power is up and running. It is the holy grail of energy production, it is not a fantasy, it is a matter of time.

We're talking supersonic electric-jet travel for the price of a bus ticket. We're talking flying into space for the weekend. We're talking grabbing asteroids from space for resources. Fusion is going to shatter our conception of what's possible or feasible. With limitless energy you can turn seawater into fresh water cheaply and use it to turn deserts into farms.

We just gotta last that long. As fossil fuels get more expensive solar will get more economically feasible. Just because Ireland isn't 'sunny' in the popular sense doesn't mean we can't have solar. Anywhere a tree can grow a solar panel can generate power.