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RobertKK · 13-04-2014 10:25AM

Am I the only one who doesn't bother with dry cow tubes or sealers?

From experience I found dry cow tubes had no effect on SCC or mastitis in my herd and I never used sealers.

mahoney_j · 13-04-2014 10:26AM

frazzledhome wrote: »

Found 3 this with CMT. One was an offender from last year so she'll be going for a drive tomorrow.

Recording on Tues will tell all. It's dropping all week so making progress

Had they clots???.so frustrating when they don't as it's nothing obvious.that was my problem in 2012.high scc but very little clots when u draw them or in filter,there was red lights flashing though on milk meters to show up high conductivity .cows like that are very hard to cure and from my experience there's only one place for them unless there a very young cow.

mahoney_j · 13-04-2014 10:27AM

frazzledhome wrote: »

Found 3 this with CMT. One was an offender from last year so she'll be going for a drive tomorrow.

Recording on Tues will tell all. It's dropping all week so making progress

Had they clots???.so frustrating when they don't as it's nothing obvious.that was my problem in 2012.high scc but very little clots when u draw them or in filter,there was red lights flashing though on milk meters to show up high conductivity .cows like that are very hard to cure and from my experience there's only one place for them unless there a very young cow.

frazzledhome · 13-04-2014 10:29AM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Had they clots???.so frustrating when they don't as it's nothing obvious.that was my problem in 2012.high scc but very little clots when u draw them or in filter,there was red lights flashing though on milk meters to show up high conductivity .cows like that are very hard to cure and from my experience there's only one place for them unless there a very young cow.

No clinical signs but two not long calved so will be treated and I'd expect a result

sheebadog · 13-04-2014 10:29AM

frazzledhome wrote: »

I actually don't. We feed mins to drys and mins in cow nuts in the parlour.

Tell me more, vet coming to blood cows and heifers I've sold on Tues could do some milkers aswell

Selenium can only be tested accurately with a liver biopsy IIRC.

Mulumpy · 13-04-2014 10:30AM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Had they clots???.so frustrating when they don't as it's nothing obvious.that was my problem in 2012.high scc but very little clots when u draw them or in filter,there was red lights flashing though on milk meters to show up high conductivity .cows like that are very hard to cure and from my experience there's only one place for them unless there a very young cow.

I changed my dry cow tubes last year and also used tylovet at drying off on new offenders. So far scc ha averaged at 80 from 190 same period last year. Will be recording next week to see how last years offenders improved

frazzledhome · 13-04-2014 10:31AM

sheebadog wrote: »

Selenium can only be tested accurately with a liver biopsy IIRC.

If I made extra available is there a danger of messing something else up?

stanflt · 13-04-2014 10:31AM

Struggled with scc for the last 8 days
Got milk recording results back one cow 9999k and had no clots- this morning was back at 212 which still isn't great but far better than the 380- 415 last week

Scc is a real struggle and frazzled has the right idea- this culprit will be hanging up next week

mahoney_j · 13-04-2014 10:33AM

stanflt wrote: »

Struggled with scc for the last 8 days
Got milk recording results back one cow 9999k and had no clots- this morning was back at 212 which still isn't great but far better than the 380- 415 last week

Scc is a real struggle and frazzled has the right idea- this culprit will be hanging up next week

9999 k if only the bank balance looked like that!!

mf240 · 13-04-2014 10:35AM

frazzledhome wrote: »

I actually don't. We feed mins to drys and mins in cow nuts in the parlour.

Tell me more, vet coming to blood cows and heifers I've sold on Tues could do some milkers aswell

Vet will have the facts but it's just they need selenium for there immune system and if this is in top form they will clear the subclinical cases quicker themselves and this will drop scc.

Think of the kids with a bad diet that get colds that last week's compared to the ones that have lots of fruit and veg and get better in 24 hours.

Amazing the amount of people that don't even feed enough precalving minerals.
I gave them loads of it this winter and every single cow cleaned without exception. Even a couple that had hard calvings.

Well worth a mention when vets out anyway.

sheebadog · 13-04-2014 10:37AM

frazzledhome wrote: »

If I made extra available is there a danger of messing something else up?

See that's always the worry isn't it?
I did a biopsy on 3 fallen cows ( we tend to lose 6 per year to broken legs etc) and it showed low levels of selenium so treated the problem. Fertility is still shyte though.

frazzledhome · 13-04-2014 11:19AM

sheebadog wrote: »

See that's always the worry isn't it?
I did a biopsy on 3 fallen cows ( we tend to lose 6 per year to broken legs etc) and it showed low levels of selenium so treated the problem. Fertility is still shyte though.

Wrong breed?

sheebadog · 13-04-2014 11:28AM

frazzledhome wrote: »

Wrong breed?

Bang on!!
I'm trying to address the issue by cross breeding. I'm using Jersey and Swiss Browns. Problem is the milk production is going to take a hammering.

frazzledhome · 13-04-2014 11:30AM

I know that there's an SCC thread but I found thus helpful. Myself and the lads were loosing heart and even getting frustrated with each other. At least I didn't feel alone

If your care to read back through this thread there's lots of tips and no magic bullet. I think it's down to attention to detail.

Timmaay · 13-04-2014 11:34AM

mahoney_j wrote: »

From looking at last years records Tim I'd say no .most ofcthe cows doing over say 8 k Ltrs were under 150 k.

I think some of my problem might be too short a teat length, which I'm trying to breed out with just not breeding from the worst of the cows, and using bulls with positive teat length. The few JEx I have are very good for scc, they don't have the longest of teats, but its hard to draw milk from them so they rarely leak.

frazzledhome · 13-04-2014 11:36AM

sheebadog wrote: »

Bang on!!
I'm trying to address the issue by cross breeding. I'm using Jersey and Swiss Browns. Problem is the milk production is going to take a hammering.

Oh and release them from the shed, don't mind the neighbours they're talking about you anywayðŸ˜„

sheebadog · 13-04-2014 11:39AM

frazzledhome wrote: »

Oh and release them from the shed, don't mind the neighbours they're talking about you anywayðŸ˜„

They have to come inside in high summer if only for shelter. Otherwise it's all grazed grass.

frazzledhome · 13-04-2014 11:40AM

sheebadog wrote: »

They have to come inside in high summer if only for shelter. Otherwise it's all grazed grass.

I'd say you're the talk of the parish

sheebadog · 13-04-2014 11:45AM

frazzledhome wrote: »

I'd say you're the talk of the parish

Yep. People calling just for a nose.
French reckon that grass is detrimental to cows.

frazzledhome · 13-04-2014 11:47AM

sheebadog wrote: »

Yep. People calling just for a nose.
French reckon that grass is detrimental to cows.

The sooner the kiwis and South Americans come to they conclusion the better

RobertKK · 13-04-2014 12:54PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Am I the only one who doesn't bother with dry cow tubes or sealers?

From experience I found dry cow tubes had no effect on SCC or mastitis in my herd and I never used sealers.

Guess I am?

Average SCC for March was 138, under a 100 in February.

One case of mastitis this month in a cow calved in February, few clots but cleared up herself, took the average to 320, hopeful it will return to normal now, should know next few days..
Only one other case of mastitis and that was in a heifer and she calved with it, she will be culled, currently she is looking after her bull calf...

It is something you can't take your eyes from.

Greengrass1 · 13-04-2014 01:29PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Guess I am?

Average SCC for March was 138, under a 100 in February.

One case of mastitis this month in a cow calved in February, few clots but cleared up herself, took the average to 320, hopeful it will return to normal now, should know next few days..
Only one other case of mastitis and that was in a heifer and she calved with it, she will be culled, currently she is looking after her bull calf...

It is something you can't take your eyes from.

We never used dry cow tubed in the old farm and never had a high SCC and used the oul bucket of water and rag.
Smaller number of cows though and good roads and cubicles made it easier

loveta · 13-04-2014 01:48PM

Any of you guys on here keep cows in at night year round? the reason i ask is because every year when ever the weather gets a bit milder before we can get the cows out we get an out break of ecoli mastitis had 3 in the space of a few days last week lost none of them thankfully but two are frigged milk wise and the one we got extra early prob frigged cell wise. All sheds are modern "post 99" mattress cubicles cleaned and bedded with saw dust and lime twice a day scrapers go every 3 hours and we spray disinfect once a week but still we get the cases once the weather gets milder leaving me wondering how guys work it year round housed at night.

jaymla627 · 13-04-2014 02:01PM

loveta wrote: »

Any of you guys on here keep cows in at night year round? the reason i ask is because every year when ever the weather gets a bit milder before we can get the cows out we get an out break of ecoli mastitis had 3 in the space of a few days last week lost none of them thankfully but two are frigged milk wise and the one we got extra early prob frigged cell wise. All sheds are modern "post 99" mattress cubicles cleaned and bedded with saw dust and lime twice a day scrapers go every 3 hours and we spray disinfect once a week but still we get the cases once the weather gets milder leaving me wondering how guys work it year round housed at night.

Whats air-flow like in your shed? Any herds i"ve seen that house all year round have excellent air-flow/ventilation systems in their cubicle sheds really helps to reduce the disease burden

loveta · 13-04-2014 02:11PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

Whats air-flow like in your shed? Any herds i"ve seen that house all year round have excellent air-flow/ventilation systems in their cubicle sheds really helps to reduce the disease burden

The yard sits on top of a pretty exposed hill so it is nearly always windy there, all the cow sheds have high roofs,space sheeted,raised ridge boards,and vent sheeted on the gables. All that being said there still does be the odd cob web knocking about "esp over the cameras :mad:"

blackdog1 · 13-04-2014 02:24PM

loveta wrote: »

The yard sits on top of a pretty exposed hill so it is nearly always windy there, all the cow sheds have high roofs,space sheeted,raised ridge boards,and vent sheeted on the gables. All that being said there still does be the odd cob web knocking about "esp over the cameras :mad:"

Are they fresh calvers getting ecoli?. I had this problem. There was a cow sucking in the dry cows...needless to say she's not there now. Also was advised to keep air holes in cluster free. They tend to get blocked.

loveta · 13-04-2014 02:32PM

blackdog1 wrote: »

Are they fresh calvers getting ecoli?. I had this problem. There was a cow sucking in the dry cows...needless to say she's not there now. Also was advised to keep air holes in cluster free. They tend to get blocked.

Yes some were but had two a couple of weeks ago that were october/november calvers but it only seems to become a issue when the weather gets mild

visatorro · 13-04-2014 07:15PM

Our vet is recommending sampling each cow to see which dry cow antibiotic would work best. And in some cases just use a seal. Must see if it can be Through the milk recording. Found the only cure for cow with high scc for a few months is the hook.

frazzledhome · 13-04-2014 08:40PM

frazzledhome wrote: »

Found 3 this with CMT. One was an offender from last year so she'll be going for a drive tomorrow.

Recording on Tues will tell all. It's dropping all week so making progress

Took out 2 more this pm, also going for a drive

Greengrass1 · 13-04-2014 08:44PM

frazzledhome wrote: »

Took out 2 more this pm, also going for a drive

Oh the thoughts. Remember bringing the finest of cows to the factory

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