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Milk Price- Please read Mod note in post #1

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  • #902
    kevthegaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,084 ✭✭✭kevthegaff


    Mine is hovering around 400:mad:, testing the cuprits next week and drying off 8-10, not worth passing from cow to cow. Protein 3.47 and fat 3.90 which im content with


  • #903
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,792 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    kevthegaff wrote: »
    Mine is hovering around 400:mad:, testing the cuprits next week and drying off 8-10, not worth passing from cow to cow. Protein 3.47 and fat 3.90 which im content with
    what the scc limit in your co-op 400 is crazy


  • #904
    kevthegaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,084 ✭✭✭kevthegaff


    400 is the limit here. i know acting monday morning tests back and they be going to the factory in september! Nothing worst than cell count problems, ill be following suit with moloney with a new fancy machine in 3 years!


  • #905
    Mulumpy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 817 ✭✭✭Mulumpy


    Very important to keep rotating dry cow tubes too.


  • #906
    whitebriar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭whitebriar


    frazzledhome wrote: »
    325 will drop to 300 next year
    It is still 350 in Glanbia.
    You will get a text alert if it is within 25 of the limit,for information purposes.
    Approximately 400 suppliers were being fined every month last year,which is worth millions to GII's bottom line...quietly out of the farmers pockets,handy money to pay directors bonuses...
    Incredible really.


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  • #907
    frazzledhome
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭frazzledhome


    whitebriar wrote: »
    It is still 350 in Glanbia.
    You will get a text alert if it is within 25 of the limit,for information purposes.
    Approximately 400 suppliers were being fined every month last year,which is worth millions to GII's bottom line...quietly out of the farmers pockets,handy money to pay directors bonuses...
    Incredible really.

    Briar, I'm 99.9% its 325 since April 1st.

    Directors of all companies get bonus'

    I have no problem with lower threshold, just finding it hard this spring. Our aim is sub 120, will get there next mth. Haven't ever paid a fine yet but damn close this mth. Luckily we get tested everyday so a great chance to keep an eye on it


  • #908
    whitebriar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭whitebriar


    frazzledhome wrote: »
    Briar, I'm 99.9% its 325 since April 1st.

    Directors of all companies get bonus'

    I have no problem with lower threshold, just finding it hard this spring. Our aim is sub 120, will get there next mth. Haven't ever paid a fine yet but damn close this mth. Luckily we get tested everyday so a great chance to keep an eye on it
    You may be right,but there's certainly been no notification of any change.lowering has been flagged alright.
    It would be nice if the rather substantial fine pool was given as a bonus to those sub 200k which is where they want it to be it seems.
    Here's for wishfull thinking.


  • #909
    Greengrass1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    whitebriar wrote: »
    It is still 350 in Glanbia.
    You will get a text alert if it is within 25 of the limit,for information purposes.
    Approximately 400 suppliers were being fined every month last year,which is worth millions to GII's bottom line...quietly out of the farmers pockets,handy money to pay directors bonuses...
    Incredible really.

    That's not true.
    If milk has high SCC they can't make baby powder from it so they have make a lower margins product from it.
    Milk has to be below 200 SCC before it can be used for baby powder.

    They can get rid of thermodurics or TBC but not SCC in milk


  • #910
    Timmaay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Timmaay


    And scc fines are penny's in comparison to tbc fines, which tend to be alot more random!


  • #911
    mf240
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,890 ✭✭✭mf240


    Ya high scc milk is not as useful to them,

    Your losing production with high scc cows too as they are below par.

    Scc here usually around 150 170 but spikes an odd time an it's usually a case of mastitis.

    No wash or dip here cows in cups on cups off cows out.

    Must make more of an effort. In future.

    In fairness a bonus for sub 200 scc milk funded by fines from high scc milk is not a half bad idea.


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  • #912
    frazzledhome
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭frazzledhome


    mf240 wrote: »
    Ya high scc milk is not as useful to them,

    Your losing production with high scc cows too as they are below par.

    Scc here usually around 150 170 but spikes an odd time an it's usually a case of mastitis.

    No wash or dip here cows in cups on cups off cows out.

    Must make more of an effort. In future.

    In fairness a bonus for sub 200 scc milk funded by fines from high scc milk is not a half bad idea.

    Would it work for one group of farmers paying penalties to provide bonus for others?

    Agree bonus should be in place


  • #913
    whitebriar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭whitebriar


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    That's not true.
    If milk has high SCC they can't make baby powder from it so they have make a lower margins product from it.
    Milk has to be below 200 SCC before it can be used for baby powder.

    They can get rid of thermodurics or TBC but not SCC in milk
    I accept that,I think the average Scc in Glanbia was 250000 last year though , so on that basis,they couldn't or shouldn't be making any milk available for baby formula at all ever to date.
    Ergo,the fines are profit to them currently.


  • #914
    mf240
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,890 ✭✭✭mf240


    frazzledhome wrote: »
    Would it work for one group of farmers paying penalties to provide bonus for others?

    Possibly not the right way to fund it but less stick and more carrot would be nice.

    But the way they fund the seasonality bonuses for spring milk in Feb and Nov is 2 million into the pot plus whatever they take of those that over supply in June. a very sneaky way of pushing milking out to the shoulders IMO and something I would like to see clarified before any contracts are signed.


  • #915
    sheebadog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,246 ✭✭✭sheebadog


    whitebriar wrote: »
    You may be right,but there's certainly been no notification of any change.lowering has been flagged alright.
    It would be nice if the rather substantial fine pool was given as a bonus to those sub 200k which is where they want it to be it seems.
    Here's for wishfull thinking.

    Now there's a good idea!


  • #916
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,792 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    frazzledhome wrote: »
    Briar, I'm 99.9% its 325 since April 1st.

    Directors of all companies get bonus'

    I have no problem with lower threshold, just finding it hard this spring. Our aim is sub 120, will get there next mth. Haven't ever paid a fine yet but damn close this mth. Luckily we get tested everyday so a great chance to keep an eye on it
    just looked on agrilink my 326 is not red, non conforming results are red hth


  • #917
    sheebadog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,246 ✭✭✭sheebadog


    What are the fines for being over the limit on scc?
    Was talking to an elderly man during the week and he has been over 400k scc for 3 months. 18c/l of a fine!!


  • #918
    frazzledhome
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭frazzledhome


    whelan2 wrote: »
    just looked on agrilink my 326 is not red, non conforming results are red hth

    Just checked 325 is limit since April 1, 100% sure


  • #919
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,792 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    frazzledhome wrote: »
    Just checked 325 is limit since April 1, 100% sure
    so why is it not red?


  • #920
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    I think the way clusters are taken off too has abig part to play.
    I hate when the father comes into parlour and starts taking off clusters, he just tanks them off and I try tell him but ye can't change his ways.
    I shut off vaccum and pull one cup off when vac has dropped a bit.
    I have more cases of mastitis since I started taking over milking but I have a much lower SCC.
    He was always in a hurry too so that's a factor too.
    Never enough time to do everything and too tired to do it better

    Proably won't like to hear it gg but that's why cluster removers are also a good idea...gizmos like that are a good idea IMO as it spares you a job instead of tearing up and down the bit.stops cows been over milked as well which is also a cause of high scc.

    Scc has to be one of the most fursturating things to deal with when milking.you think your getting on top of it and then it pops up in another cow.huge cost due to lost production and cost of tubes etc.threw everything at it in 2012 when I was in trouble but in the end after months of using terexine and injections and studying milk records I just culled the worst offenders and gave some of the young cows an extended dry peroid with cepravin and sealers and slowly the following spring I got on top of it.averaged about 180 last year down from 340 in 2012 and so far this year 82


  • #921
    Greengrass1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    mahoney_j wrote: »
    Proably won't like to hear it gg but that's why cluster removers are also a good idea...gizmos like that are a good idea IMO as it spares you a job instead of tearing up and down the bit.stops cows been over milked as well which is also a cause of high scc.

    Scc has to be one of the most fursturating things to deal with when milking.you think your getting on top of it and then it pops up in another cow.huge cost due to lost production and cost of tubes etc.threw everything at it in 2012 when I was in trouble but in the end after months of using terexine and injections and studying milk records I just culled the worst offenders and gave some of the young cows an extended dry peroid with cepravin and sealers and slowly the following spring I got on top of it.averaged about 180 last year down from 340 in 2012 and so far this year 82

    I will some day but I'll spend the money on roadways first and grass.
    I've nothing against removers. But they add alot if cost to a parlour when buying


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  • #922
    Injuryprone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,053 ✭✭✭Injuryprone


    whelan2 wrote: »
    so why is it not red?

    Is it not the average for the month that counts and not each individual test?? Don't know as I don't supply Glanbia but it's the monthly average that counts in DG.


  • #923
    frazzledhome
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭frazzledhome


    Injuryprone wrote: »
    Is it not the average for the month that counts and not each individual test?? Don't know as I don't supply Glanbia but it's the monthly average that counts in DG.

    Monthly average


  • #924
    frazzledhome
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭frazzledhome


    mahoney_j wrote: »
    Proably won't like to hear it gg but that's why cluster removers are also a good idea...gizmos like that are a good idea IMO as it spares you a job instead of tearing up and down the bit.stops cows been over milked as well which is also a cause of high scc.

    Scc has to be one of the most fursturating things to deal with when milking.you think your getting on top of it and then it pops up in another cow.huge cost due to lost production and cost of tubes etc.threw everything at it in 2012 when I was in trouble but in the end after months of using terexine and injections and studying milk records I just culled the worst offenders and gave some of the young cows an extended dry peroid with cepravin and sealers and slowly the following spring I got on top of it.averaged about 180 last year down from 340 in 2012 and so far this year 82

    Did you have ACRs in 2012?


  • #925
    Timmaay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Timmaay


    frazzledhome wrote: »
    Did you have ACRs in 2012?

    Are high yielding HOs like yours Mahoney more prone to SCC problems also, more likely to be leaking milk I would have thought?


  • #926
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    frazzledhome wrote: »
    Did you have ACRs in 2012?

    Yep first year in new parlour,no issues really with parlour bar a few things at start up.it was a problem that was festering for years ,that and the bad weather in that year brought it to a head I think.


  • #927
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    Timmaay wrote: »
    Are high yielding HOs like yours Mahoney more prone to SCC problems also, more likely to be leaking milk I would have thought?
    From looking at last years records Tim I'd say no .most ofcthe cows doing over say 8 k Ltrs were under 150 k.


  • #928
    frazzledhome
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭frazzledhome


    mahoney_j wrote: »
    Yep first year in new parlour,no issues really with parlour bar a few things at start up.it was a problem that was festering for years ,that and the bad weather in that year brought it to a head I think.

    Found 3 this with CMT. One was an offender from last year so she'll be going for a drive tomorrow.

    Recording on Tues will tell all. It's dropping all week so making progress


  • #929
    frazzledhome
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭frazzledhome


    whitebriar wrote: »
    I accept that,I think the average Scc in Glanbia was 250000 last year though , so on that basis,they couldn't or shouldn't be making any milk available for baby formula at all ever to date.
    Ergo,the fines are profit to them currently.

    Average 250k so loads of milk went in sub 200. That's the group I want to be in every month of the year. While I'd love a bonus I'll strive for it regardless


  • #930
    mf240
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,890 ✭✭✭mf240


    Frazzle

    Do you you know you selieum status if this is low a bit extra will boost the immune system and will be a big help to sub clinical offenders.

    I'm a great believer in minerals.


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  • #931
    frazzledhome
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭frazzledhome


    mf240 wrote: »
    Frazzle

    Do you you know you selieum status if this is low a bit extra will boost the immune system and will be a big help to sub clinical offenders.

    I'm a great believer in minerals.

    I actually don't. We feed mins to drys and mins in cow nuts in the parlour.

    Tell me more, vet coming to blood cows and heifers I've sold on Tues could do some milkers aswell


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