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  • #62
    OhHiMark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭OhHiMark


    kult wrote: »
    It works, that's for sure. Yeah, in your opinion it's better to put them in hotels for our taxes or set them free ok, but I am different I would punish for crimes:)

    Would you be the one to execute her?


  • #63
    kult
    Closed Accounts Posts: 372 ✭✭kult


    If she murdered somebody , planned it and was aware what she was doing then yes, but first take healthy organs out and give it to decent people who want to have good happy life... For what she did just 1 year of hard labour, so she can pay for the guards, cell , food etc.


  • #64
    OhHiMark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭OhHiMark


    kult wrote: »
    Just do exactly the same thing to her what she did to oher person and problem solved. Just remember about interest rate of 200% so she will get the lesson once for good.

    And who carries out this punishment? You're actually saying that you want to appoint someone to kick a 15 year old girl unconscious?


  • #65
    OhHiMark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭OhHiMark


    kult wrote: »
    If she murdered somebody , planned it and was aware what she was doing then yes, but first take healthy organs out and give it to decent people who want to have good happy life... For what she did just 1 year of hard labour, so she can pay for the guards, cell , food etc.

    So you specifically would kill her yourself? I don't think your bloodlust is a very good basis for a system of justice.


  • #66
    kult
    Closed Accounts Posts: 372 ✭✭kult


    As I said, if somebody murders somebody else, planned to do it etc then in other words, a death sentence yes. Killing and murdering are two separate things. Accidents happen etc but murdering is when you plan to do it and you are aware what you are doing.


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  • #67
    kult
    Closed Accounts Posts: 372 ✭✭kult


    OhHiMark wrote: »
    And who carries out this punishment? You're actually saying that you want to appoint someone to kick a 15 year old girl unconscious?

    There are plenty of professional people who would do it. Like people who perform death sentences etc. If she can do it at age of 15 then.... Also the person who was attacked can do it of wishes to proceed.


  • #68
    OhHiMark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭OhHiMark


    kult wrote: »
    As I said, if somebody murders somebody else, planned to do it etc then in other words, a death sentence yes. Killing and murdering are two separate things. Accidents happen etc but murdering is when you plan to do it and you are aware what you are doing.

    My question is, would you specifically, not society, but you carry out the execution? If not, I don't think you can ask someone else to do it.

    And what happens if you execute someone, and then evidence comes out that they were innocent? Is it worth the life of an innocent person for a draconian punishment that is demonstrably not a deterrent?


  • #69
    kult
    Closed Accounts Posts: 372 ✭✭kult


    I did in army many times. I do not have problems with that at all. Law is law. What happens then? It is 0.2% , I rather have 0.2% mistake rate than 99.8% that he or she will murder or rape again. Mistakes happen and there is never 100%. Also these days we have DNA...CCTV etc...


  • #70
    Nino Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,507 ✭✭✭Nino Brown


    OhHiMark wrote: »
    And who carries out this punishment? You're actually saying that you want to appoint someone to kick a 15 year old girl unconscious?

    I bet there's a chinese woman who'd have a go at it


  • #71
    OhHiMark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭OhHiMark


    Well that's where we differ. It's NEVER ok to kill an innocent person. That makes you just as bad as the person that you want to punish.


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  • #72
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    kult wrote: »
    It works, according to stats...In eastern europe there od 28% less youth voilence that in UK or Ireland, so it works. Bacisally criminals get exactly the same thing they did to others but with interest rate 200%. And if it does not work for the 1st, 2nd 3rd time with the same person, just kill the idiot, he will never learn in any way. Make sure first the pays for the bullet and healthy organs are taken to be given to good people who want to live good life.
    Link to said stats?


  • #73
    kult
    Closed Accounts Posts: 372 ✭✭kult


    Inonocent - I never say to kill / murder innocent person. Give an example, when I was in amry and saw a person raping child or a woman, whoever then bullet in the head. End of the story, of course if there was an order.


  • #74
    OhHiMark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭OhHiMark


    kult wrote: »
    Inonocent - I never say to kill / murder innocent person. Give an example, when I was in amry and saw a person raping child or a woman, whoever then bullet in the head. End of the story, of course if there was an order.

    You said it's ok to make a mistake and execute the 0.2% that are innocent of the crime.


  • #75
    kult
    Closed Accounts Posts: 372 ✭✭kult


    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    Link to said stats?

    If you can read russian then go to russina federal police website and compare with other countries. Or even easier, go to easter europe and see how youth respect others and how fearfull they are in front of police. You will not see what you see here. And let's say if a young guy robs or kicks someone, first the locals get him, then second round with police , then 3rd round at home. That treatment works well.


  • #76
    OhHiMark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭OhHiMark


    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    Link to said stats?

    You might be waiting a while. You can't link to made-up stats.


  • #77
    kult
    Closed Accounts Posts: 372 ✭✭kult


    OhHiMark wrote: »
    You said it's ok to make a mistake and execute the 0.2% that are innocent of the crime.

    You said it is ok to keep and pay for 99.8% murderers and rapist. Great, you know what? I rather stick to my 0.2% mistake that 99.8% of risk I have to pay for and fear for.


  • #78
    kult
    Closed Accounts Posts: 372 ✭✭kult


    OhHiMark wrote: »
    You might be waiting a while. You can't link to made-up stats.

    If you only learnt few languages then you might be a bit richer in knowledge but ok...


  • #79
    OhHiMark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭OhHiMark


    kult wrote: »
    You said it is ok to keep and pay for 99.8% murderers and rapist. Great, you know what? I rather stick to my 0.2% mistake that 99.8% of risk I have to pay for and fear for.

    There, you think it's ok to kill innocent people.

    And the thing is, it costs more to execute someone than it does to keep them in prison for life.


  • #80
    kult
    Closed Accounts Posts: 372 ✭✭kult


    OhHiMark wrote: »
    There, you think it's ok to kill innocent people.

    And the thing is, it costs more to execute someone than it does to keep them in prison for life.


    Nah, you are trying to tell me that a bullet in the head and the executor costs more than 25 years in jail hahaha. Here, ok sell his organs, now we are quits and some good people wil lstay alive. Problem solved. If you want to keep him alive pay for him, I will rather pay for the bullet. Anither thing they can work for cell, food, shower etc why should we pay for them, we did not do anything wrong...


  • #81
    OhHiMark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭OhHiMark


    kult wrote: »
    Nah, you are trying to tell me that a bullet in the head and the executor costs more than 25 years in jail hahaha. Here, ok sell his organs, now we are quits and some good people wil lstay alive. Problem solved. If you want to keep him alive pay for him, I will rather pay for the bullet. Anither thing they can work for cell, food, shower etc why should we pay for them, we did not do anything wrong...

    Ah so basically you want the justice system in Ireland to be you walking around with a gun shooting people who you feel deserve it. Why didn't you just say so?


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  • #82
    kult
    Closed Accounts Posts: 372 ✭✭kult


    Btw I believe you would keep Mr Breivik alive who killed 77 people because of 0.2 % and feed him and take care of him. Great, if Hitler was alive they you would keep him alive too because of 0.2%.


  • #83
    kult
    Closed Accounts Posts: 372 ✭✭kult


    OhHiMark wrote: »
    Ah so basically you want the justice system in Ireland to be you walking around with a gun shooting people who you feel deserve it. Why didn't you just say so?


    No, you take me wrong. Justice system where somebody breaks into my house I have right to protect my family and shoot him on the spot. My house, my rules I did not invite a robber during the night.


  • #84
    OhHiMark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭OhHiMark


    When were we talking about someone breaking into your house? We're talking about capital punishment. Please stick to the topic.


  • #85
    kult
    Closed Accounts Posts: 372 ✭✭kult


    If somebody murders someone then death sentence. DNA, CCTV and all provided, which is easy in 2014:)


  • #86
    OhHiMark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭OhHiMark


    Hopefully you're done changing the subject now and you can respond to this point:
    OhHiMark wrote: »
    There, you think it's ok to kill innocent people.

    And the thing is, it costs more to execute someone than it does to keep them in prison for life.


  • #87
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    kult wrote: »
    It works, according to stats...In eastern europe there od 28% less youth voilence that in UK or Ireland, so it works. Bacisally criminals get exactly the same thing they did to others but with interest rate 200%. And if it does not work for the 1st, 2nd 3rd time with the same person, just kill the idiot, he will never learn in any way. Make sure first the pays for the bullet and healthy organs are taken to be given to good people who want to live good life.

    Stats dont count if you don't name a specific jurisdiction (whcih country??), don't name a specific policy or - let's face it - make the numbers up yourself.

    Back to the story: a bit confused - it says she was released without (something) but that a file was beign prepared for the DPP - sure ly this means it's not over yet and she could still be prosecuted?

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #88
    kult
    Closed Accounts Posts: 372 ✭✭kult


    Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »
    Stats dont count if you don't name a specific jurisdiction (whcih country??), don't name a specific policy or - let's face it - make the numbers up yourself....
    The easiest one Metropolian Police in Moscow Stats 2011. Use google translator. Not only russia, but the eastern block seems to have low youth crime level comparing to the west. DIfferent laws and different "treatments" I believe...


  • #89
    kult
    Closed Accounts Posts: 372 ✭✭kult


    She should not be released at all. She should be in a work camp right now working hard to pay for the file preparation and people involved. Why should we , normal good people pay for her? Now she has a chance to ack again while released...


  • #90
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    kult wrote: »
    The easiest one Metropolian Police in Moscow Stats 2011. Use google translator. Not only russia, but the eastern block seems to have low youth crime level comparing to the west. DIfferent laws and different "treatments" I believe...

    Eh... no. If you quote a figure, you link to the source containing that figure. Or we assume you made it up. You also have to state which policies you're referring and to establish causation if you want your point to stand.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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  • #91
    OhHiMark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭OhHiMark


    Let me ask you kult, do you believe in rehabilitation as a concept?


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