Enda Kenny to invite British Royals to 1916 Easter Rising celebrations??

intellectual dosser · 11-04-2014 01:50PM

Should it not be Commemorations as opposed to Celebrations?

problemchimp · 11-04-2014 01:52PM

conorhal wrote: »

Rarely is maturity characterised by the desperate crawling neediness for acceptance/endorsement from the English that so many people seem to desplay. It's the same desperate 'what will the British think of us' insecurity that caused us to dispense with any celebration of our independence in the first place.
The near blanket coverage of Micky D's visit has been prime example of this too. The word 'historic' was thrown out so often that 'hystronic' would have been more apropriate.

Totally agree, it's a bit like the R.T.E. brigade asking every foriegner that's interviewed "sure what d'ya think of us, aren't we great auld' craic" It's a bit of a cringe fest.
The Queen came here, Michael went there, and Enda will probably be in opposition in 1916.

Frank Lee Midere · 11-04-2014 01:53PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I can't see Liz coming, in fact I can't see her doing any more overseas visits. I would expect Charles, Harry or Wills to come.

Era she could pop over for an hour or so.

thomil · 11-04-2014 01:54PM

Reoil wrote: »

Em, would it not be like inviting the Germans to remember all the allied soldiers who died?

Which wouldn't be too far-fetched either, as the image of Chancellor Kohl and Francois Mitterand at the Duoaumont cementary shows. Or the presence of German Chancellors at the D-Day commemorations in 2004 and later.

conorhal · 11-04-2014 01:54PM

problemchimp wrote: »

Totally agree, it's a bit like the R.T.E. brigade asking every foriegner that's interviewed "sure what d'ya think of us, aren't we great auld' craic" It's a bit of a cringe fest.
The Queen came here, Michael went there, and Enda will probably be in opposition in 1916.

Indeed. We behave like one of those needy, nightmare ex's that broke up with you, but keeps texting and calling every time she gets a bit drunk and lonely.

seamus · 11-04-2014 01:54PM

conorhal wrote: »

Rarely is maturity characterised by the desperate crawling neediness for acceptance/endorsement from the English that so many people seem to desplay. It's the same desperate 'what will the British think of us' insecurity that caused us to dispense with any celebration of our independence in the first place.
The near blanket coverage of Micky D's visit has been prime example of this too. The word 'historic' was thrown out so often that 'hystronic' would have been more apropriate.

So, what? You'd prefer that we just ignored it?

It's nothing to do with looking for "approval" from the British and everything to do with celebrating the fact that both countries have moved on from our petty squabbles over land into a place of mutual respect as sovereign nations.

Do you not feel that the first official state visit by the Irish president (and indeed by the British queen) are things we should look on and admire as an indicator of maturity in our own state?

Fratton Fred · 11-04-2014 01:56PM

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

Era she could pop over for an hour or so.

She'll be 90 then. the whole getting to stansted, checking in, rushing to get a decent seat etc will probably be too much for her.

elefant · 11-04-2014 01:57PM

seamus wrote: »

Do you not feel that the first official state visit by the Irish president (and indeed by the British queen) are things we should look on and admire as an indicator of maturity in our own state?

And surely a situation where a British monarch can come to Ireland by our invitation as our guest is exactly the kind of thing the Irish patriots of 1916 were fighting for. If anything, this could be looked on, 100 years later, as the ultimate vindication for their sacrifice.

bumper234 · 11-04-2014 01:57PM

It seems some feel that the Irish people should still be wringing their hands and constantly remembering the past when they should be shaking hands and looking towards the future.

conorhal · 11-04-2014 02:01PM

seamus wrote: »

So, what? You'd prefer that we just ignored it?

It's nothing to do with looking for "approval" from the British and everything to do with celebrating the fact that both countries have moved on from our petty squabbles over land into a place of mutual respect as sovereign nations.

Do you not feel that the first official state visit by the Irish president (and indeed by the British queen) are things we should look on and admire as an indicator of maturity in our own state?

Isn't that what THIS week was about? Invite her over for rememberance day by all means, but the 1916 celebrations should be about us.

problemchimp · 11-04-2014 02:02PM

seamus wrote: »

So, what? You'd prefer that we just ignored it?

It's nothing to do with looking for "approval" from the British and everything to do with celebrating the fact that both countries have moved on from our petty squabbles over land into a place of mutual respect as sovereign nations.

Do you not feel that the first official state visit by the Irish president (and indeed by the British queen) are things we should look on and admire as an indicator of maturity in our own state?

I think everybody knows we've moved on at this stage. We dropped our constitutional claim over the 6 counties, there is a cease fire in place (with the exception of a few knobs) and the state visiting has been done. No need for any more.

Fratton Fred · 11-04-2014 02:02PM

conorhal wrote: »

Isn't that what THIS week was about? Invite her over for rememberance day by all means, but the 1916 celebrations should be about us.

Why, what did you do in 1916?

bumper234 · 11-04-2014 02:02PM

conorhal wrote: »

Isn't that what THIS week was about? Invite her over for rememberance day by all means, but the 1916 celebrations should be about us.

No offence, But you sound like a spoiled petulant child who has just found out her cousin has been invited to her birthday party and she doesn't want her there.

conorhal · 11-04-2014 02:07PM

bumper234 wrote: »

No offence, But you sound like a spoiled petulant child who has just found out her cousin has been invited to her birthday party and she doesn't want her there.

Well the bitch did ruin the last one :pac:

Will it be a sign of maturity to show that we've gotten over the whole 'bloody sunday thing' if we invite the Para's to march in the parade?

I like to celebrate important occasions with the people that mean something to me. You sound like the kind or person that invites Hello and every z-list cleleb to their birthday party and gets huffy when Drico and Amy don't RSVP, thus ruining your special day.

problemchimp · 11-04-2014 02:08PM

bumper234 wrote: »

No offence, But you sound like a spoiled petulant child who has just found out her cousin has been invited to her birthday party and she doesn't want her there.

No offence, but that is a really stupid post in my opinion

twowheelsgood · 11-04-2014 02:09PM

I think it is quite obvious that Enda is well, acting the b*llox here, or hedging his bets anyway.

There will be a general election a couple of months before Easter 2016. If he wins another term, well he'll be happy out. If he loses he will have a good laugh at FF + SF (probably) having, as one of their first duties, to welcome her majesty.

Go Enda!!

doolox · 11-04-2014 02:10PM

The events of 1916 are in our distant past just like the "glorious failure" of the Alomo for the Texans in forging their separate identity from the Mexicans in 1836.

Just as the defeat of the Texans at the Alomo galvanised public opinion and led to eventual freedom and victory at the battle of San Jacinto the GPO seige and surrender led to galvanising Irish public opinion and the war of independence in 1922. Just as the Texans say "remember the Alomo" we Irish could say "remember the GPO" as a critical turning point and galvanising moment in Irish history.

My guess is that some minor member of the Royal Family and some British Government reps will attend in a low key way. At this point in time the security forces and civilians who died may be remembered as well as the soldiers of the Irish Volunteers and the Irish Citizens Army who died.

bumper234 · 11-04-2014 02:11PM

conorhal wrote: »

Well the bitch did ruin the last one :pac:

Will it be a sign of maturity to show that we've gotten over the whole 'bloody sunday thing' if we invite the Para's to march in the parade?

I like to celebrate important occasions with the people that mean something to me. You sound like the kind or person that invites Hello and every z-list cleleb to their birthday party and gets huffy when Drico and Amy don't RSVP, thus ruining your special day.

Geryy Adams and Martin McGuinness after the Brighton bombing?

We could sling atrocities at each other all day long but this is about the moving on in the future not dragging up the past and wringing hands about it at every mention of the Royals.

bumper234 · 11-04-2014 02:11PM

problemchimp wrote: »

No offence, but that is a really stupid post in my opinion

None taken.

conorhal · 11-04-2014 02:11PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Why, what did you do in 1916?

Your Grandma!

seamus · 11-04-2014 02:12PM

conorhal wrote: »

Isn't that what THIS week was about? Invite her over for rememberance day by all means, but the 1916 celebrations should be about us.

But....they will be?

How does inviting the Queen for the 1916 remembrance make it any less about us? If we invite the President of France, does this make it less about us?

bear1 · 11-04-2014 02:14PM

conorhal wrote: »

Well the bitch did ruin the last one :pac:

Will it be a sign of maturity to show that we've gotten over the whole 'bloody sunday thing' if we invite the Para's to march in the parade?

I like to celebrate important occasions with the people that mean something to me. You sound like the kind or person that invites Hello and every z-list cleleb to their birthday party and gets huffy when Drico and Amy don't RSVP, thus ruining your special day.

Bloody Sunday didn't take part in the Republic though. There's a difference.

Fratton Fred · 11-04-2014 02:15PM

conorhal wrote: »

Your Grandma!

Peado.

bear1 · 11-04-2014 02:15PM

conorhal wrote: »

Your Grandma!

:rolleyes:

conorhal · 11-04-2014 02:16PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Geryy Adams and Martin McGuinness after the Brighton bombing?

We could sling atrocities at each other all day long but this is about the moving on in the future not dragging up the past and wringing hands about it at every mention of the Royals.

What about them?

This is not about moving on, it's about looking back and celebrating our past. The Queen shouldn't even factor into this, and the fact that she does clearly indicates a total lack of maturity.

conorhal · 11-04-2014 02:16PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Peado.

They were, eh, different times......

Davarus Walrus · 11-04-2014 02:16PM

The more astute business person will take the opportunity to buy up all the Celtic jerseys and medallion rings in Dublin, so he/she can sell them for a profit at the inevitable protest.

I presume the invitation has already been accepted and details agreed. Diplomatic protocol and all that.

pojfexcsc · 11-04-2014 02:17PM

bear1 wrote: »

Bloody Sunday didn't take part in the Republic though. There's a difference.

**** sake it happened to innocent men and boys who are Irish as me and anyone else born here, stop the apologist nonsense.

bear1 · 11-04-2014 02:17PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Why, what did you do in 1916?

conorhal wrote: »

Your Grandma!

conorhal wrote: »

What about them?

This is not about moving on, it's about looking back and celebrating our past. The Queen shouldn't even factor into this, and the fact that she does clearly indicates a total lack of maturity.

Yeah, speaking of which....

Fratton Fred · 11-04-2014 02:17PM

conorhal wrote: »

What about them?

This is not about moving on, it's about looking back and celebrating our past. The Queen shouldn't even factor into this, and the fact that she does clearly indicates a total lack of maturity.

I would expect invites sent to several heads of state, not just her Maj.

Enda Kenny to invite British Royals to 1916 Easter Rising celebrations??

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