Manchester United Superthread 2014 Mod warning Post #1880 #2613

redbaron_99 · 10-04-2014 06:41AM

Nuts102 wrote: »

Just to think in the last two legs we started a 40 year old winger and then a midfielder coming back off a severe illness how did it get to this. I mean seriously how was the midfield ignored for so long. I was delighted when Fellaini came in he has been poor i expect him to be better next season. People wonder why we play horrible football it's no surprise when we have no midfielder capable of creating from midfield. A lb and a two very good midfielders and we will be in great shape for next season. We really don't need a massive amount of money imo.

Contrao and Santon about 20 million.
Carvalho and Marchisio about 45 million.

This. I've been banging on about this issue for years. Many of us have. Central midfield is the weakness that we have to address. Left full also needed. even three top players in these positions and I expect to push for the title next season.

Mitch Connor · 10-04-2014 06:59AM

Can David Moyes please feck off now?

Not as a reaction to losing last night - but to he mediocre defeatest attitude, his low expectations, his excuses.

Just not fit to be a manager at any top club.

NTMK · 10-04-2014 07:23AM

goodolegill wrote: »

Yet for a man who "struggled to strike the ball", how in the world could he take all of our corners and set pieces.

Mystifying!!

he hits them with the side of his foot which doesnt affect his injured toe shooting is a diffferent story however

Lord TSC · 10-04-2014 07:45AM

Stability, to me, is about the quality of time given as opposed to the quantity of time. The fact that Moyes is willing to spend so long at the club does not prove at all that this would be a positive to the club. Stability is about more than having the one manager for a large number of years.

Stability this year would have meant showing that it was the club that was a dominate force, not just Fergie. That since we've always said no one man is bigger than the club, we would have kept on going when Fergie left and worked on challenging for everything possible. Stability would have had the new manager maintaining the aura of invincibility at Old Trafford. Stability would have been retaining the never-say-die, "We'll score when we want" attitude in the team that mean the opposition never rested back and were always waiting for that 95th minute goal.

For all people go on about stability, Moyes has been one of the least stabilizing figures United could have brought in last summer; he's managed to convince everyone the team needs a drastic overhaul (that, in itself, meaning there'll be even more turmoil next season). In a bid to not be like City and Chelsea in terms of sacking managers, he's going to have us like City and Chelsea in terms of trying to buy the league. He's gotten rid of the idea that OT is a fortress, broken record after record in the worst way. He's pushed this idea that we have to be "hard to beat"....and yet made us incredibly easy to beat.

The reality is a manager like Jose or any other top manager might only stay 2 or 3 years, but if they keep the club competitive, if they use their names to bring in top players, if they had the Top Dog mentality, they could ultimately restore more stability than Mr. Job-for-life.

Moyes is not Fergie. Nowhere close. And giving him all the time in the world will not result in automatic improvements. The idea shouldn't be to replace the greatest manager ever straight away and be arrogant enough to think we're going to do it in the first try. First try failed. Try again, and again, until we get it right and we find the perfect replacement.

buckfasterer · 10-04-2014 07:54AM

Just thinking now about Moyes post match interview and saying transfer targets and how players still want to come to OT. Why would someone like Kroos come now? The Glazers are going to have to bankroll some amount of wages now to get these big name players. How much revenue is the Champions League worth btw? It's going to be a massive hole to plug as I'm quite sure that yearly budgets factor in that money. It probably was not even given as a requirement, it was expected!

Theresalwaysone · 10-04-2014 07:55AM

NTMK wrote: »

he hits them with the side of his foot which doesnt affect his injured toe shooting is a diffferent story however

lol. Have you ever struck a ball in your life?

wrote: »

Can David Moyes please feck off now?

Not as a reaction to losing last night - but to he mediocre defeatest attitude, his low expectations, his excuses.

Just not fit to be a manager at any top club.

This is the problem in a nutshell. Its all well and good to perform in a destructive manner against a superior team. Being the superior team is the hard part. Moyes doesn't have, or hasn't shown previously, his ability to be the manager to get us there.

bucketybuck · 10-04-2014 07:55AM

jane82 wrote: »

Valencia is a very important player in big games. He was excellent tonight. I dont get all the hatred. Hes a bit one footed yes but his other qualities make up for keeping him around.

You seem to forget that Valencia is a winger at Manchester United, an attacker at one of the most attacking teams in the world.

He has just two assists this season. After 25+ league games. None this calender year. In case you were wondering, he had the grand total of one goal last season!

Lets expect a little more from our wingers shall we?

NTMK · 10-04-2014 07:58AM

Theresalwaysone wrote: »

lol. Have you ever struck a ball in your life?

yes have you? because you dont seem to have a clue about how taking a shot and taking a corner are 2 different techniques

Irishcrx · 10-04-2014 08:03AM

I think given the squad we have right now we played as well as we could over the two legs and can't have many complaints. Bayern are a powerhouse and we could never match them going blow for blow , not with that team. We defended well for 3/4 over the two legs and then ran out of steam, for that 65 seconds I really did think 'Hang on here were rightly in this now' but once they upped the tempo we were out on our feet.

We can say yes it's Moyes fault , Rooney wasn't fit , tbh I think De Gea could have done better for two of them goals (Blasphemy!) but it is what it is and overall we did what we could.

As others have said there was some positives , I think Jones played very well , showed his stength and presence like we need him to do consistantly now and Kagawa is finally beginning to show what he is capable of when he gets a run of games , thought he was really sharp on and off the ball over the two legs. We needed Mata last night.

Lord TSC · 10-04-2014 08:04AM

saw this on Twitter

Irishcrx · 10-04-2014 08:07AM

NTMK wrote: »

yes have you? because you dont seem to have a clue about how taking a shot and taking a corner are 2 different techniques

To be fair they might be too differant techniques but striking it at pace with any part of your foot is going to reverberate through your whole foot and if you have a broken bone you are sure as hell going to feel it weather you are placing it , sidefooting or putting your laces through it.

I've been playing for 4-5 weeks with a badly bruised foot to see out the end of the season and have tried to adjust the way I strike the ball , but I haven't been up to scratch and it's effecting me big time.

djPSB · 10-04-2014 08:10AM

Headshot wrote: »

Osman in pole position to sign for utd

There's a chance that Everton could be in the CL though.

djPSB · 10-04-2014 08:12AM

bucketybuck wrote: »

You seem to forget that Valencia is a winger at Manchester United, an attacker at one of the most attacking teams in the world.

He has just two assists this season. After 25+ league games. None this calender year. In case you were wondering, he had the grand total of one goal last season!

Lets expect a little more from our wingers shall we?

That's where the over reliance on RVPs goals becomes apparent.

Last season flaws like this were over looked because RVP practically carried the team.

Theresalwaysone · 10-04-2014 08:15AM

NTMK wrote: »

yes have you? because you dont seem to have a clue about how taking a shot and taking a corner are 2 different techniques

Irishcrx wrote: »

To be fair they might be too differant techniques but striking it at pace with any part of your foot is going to reverberate through your whole foot and if you have a broken bone you are sure as hell going to feel it weather you are placing it , sidefooting or putting your laces through it.

I've been playing for 4-5 weeks with a badly bruised foot to see out the end of the season and have tried to adjust the way I strike the ball , but I haven't been up to scratch and it's effecting me big time.

Exactly.

NTMK · 10-04-2014 08:15AM

Irishcrx wrote: »

To be fair they might be too differant techniques but striking it at pace with any part of your foot is going to reverberate through your whole foot and if you have a broken bone you are sure as hell going to feel it weather you are placing it , sidefooting or putting your laces through it.

I've been playing for 4-5 weeks with a badly bruised foot to see out the end of the season and have tried to adjust the way I strike the ball , but I haven't been up to scratch and it's effecting me big time.

You feel it but the power youre putting into the shot is very different you dont need a lot of power to take a corner/crossing set piece but rooneys 2(?) attempts he had he needed to put his foot though it he couldnt

it hurts like hell ive had to move positions because i cant strike a ball due to a permanent knee injury crossing/set pieces are fine for me though

Maximus Alexander · 10-04-2014 08:17AM

I can't argue with Moyes' tactics over the two legs, he had it spot on as far as I can see which is a nice change. His team selection last night has me frustrated though. At the very minimum, Rooney should not have been on the pitch if he couldn't take a shot with his dodgy toe and Evra should not have been there given Buttner's performance in the first leg and with Evra... being Evra.

Francie Barrett · 10-04-2014 08:17AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Just not fit to be a manager at any top club.

so he's managing at about his level? :pac:

Ernest Oreo · 10-04-2014 08:21AM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

I can't argue with Moyes' tactics over the two legs, he had it spot on as far as I can see which is a nice change. His team selection last night has me frustrated though. At the very minimum, Rooney should not have been on the pitch if he couldn't take a shot with his dodgy toe and Evra should not have been there given Buttner's performance in the first leg and with Evra... being Evra.

agreed
fair play to moyes - but i still dont think hes the man for the job.
rooney was crocked clearly which was a shame
Bayern are at the back of two long campaigns - they are there for the taking imo. Real or possibly even chelsea for me. it would be super to see athletico go all the way..

what a strike for Pat Evra. such a beaut. a nice send off for the lad.
its a shame he had a hand in pretty much all goals.

Augmerson · 10-04-2014 08:22AM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

I can't argue with Moyes' tactics over the two legs, he had it spot on as far as I can see which is a nice change. His team selection last night has me frustrated though. At the very minimum, Rooney should not have been on the pitch if he couldn't take a shot with his dodgy toe and Evra should not have been there given Buttner's performance in the first leg and with Evra... being Evra.

True but leave out the 300,000 a week player and lose the match and people are saying wtf Moyes why didn't you play Rooney?

Irishcrx · 10-04-2014 08:22AM

NTMK wrote: »

You feel it but the power youre putting into the shot is very different you dont need a lot of power to take a corner/crossing set piece but rooneys 2(?) attempts he had he needed to put his foot though it he couldnt

it hurts like hell ive had to move positions because i cant strike a ball due to a permanent knee injury crossing/set pieces are fine for me though

Maybe I've got my wires crossed, I'm agreeing with you on Rooney , he needed to hit them two shots with power and couldn't that was the issue , he tried to place them instead which was the wrong position.

Depends on the injury you have really, he didn't seem to have an issue with the corners alright but I'm sure psycholgically the injury was effecting his overall game as it would anyones , it's always on your mind.

Lord TSC · 10-04-2014 08:30AM

Augmerson wrote: »

True but leave out the 300,000 a week player and lose the match and people are saying wtf Moyes why didn't you play Rooney?

And then maybe Moyes could grow a backbone and respond "Cause he was hurt. RVP wasn't playing either. If you're hurt, you're hurt, and if it's better for the team that an able bodied player is playing, then you should be on the bench".

As opposed to being ****ing terrified about what the fans will think about a perfectly logical problem.

Blatter · 10-04-2014 08:37AM

Didn't he leave RvP on in a game a few months ago contrary to medical advice because 'we needed a goal'? IIRC after that game, he talked about the media and how they would've criticised him had he taken RvP off.

Mitch Connor · 10-04-2014 08:41AM

Blatter wrote: »

Didn't he leave RvP on in a game a few months ago contrary to medical advice because 'we needed a goal'? IIRC after that game, he talked about the media and how they would've criticised him had he taken RvP off.

Newcaslte game.

As big a critic as I am of Moyes - I still contend his comment 'What would people have said...' was not his actual reason for leaving RVP on, and that he was trying to be a bit funny.

MagicIRL · 10-04-2014 08:43AM

It was clear that Rooney wasn't fit from the moment he scuffed his chance on goal. That's when Hernandez should've been readied and brought on.

Evra (even with his goal) was shocking. How Buttner can sit by and watch that fool play LB week in, week out is beyond me. He was directly responsible for two of those Bayern goals and you could just see by how much ball Robben had as opposed to the first leg against Buttner that it wasn't going to end well.

Then we get to the substitutions, Fletcher off for Hernandez, moving Rooney into midfield despite him being an awful midfield player against arguably one of the best midfields in the world and taking off Welbeck's pace for Januzaj who doesn't have the same sort of speed despite much more technical ability.

Tactics wise I think Moyes got it spot on. Decision wise, he was poor. Overall I think I would rate the game as a 6/10 for United which, honestly, is not good enough.

I'm resigned to the fact that Moyes will be in charge of the club until Christmas (in my opinion), but I can't see the club climbing the European ladder with him at the helm.

Blatter · 10-04-2014 08:45AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Newcaslte game.

As big a critic as I am of Moyes - I still contend his comment 'What would people have said...' was not his actual reason for leaving RVP on, and that he was trying to be a bit funny.

Yeah probably, but the fact that he mentioned it at all indicated that it could well have been playing on his mind. We'll never know for sure.

Rubber_Soul · 10-04-2014 08:46AM

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

And then maybe Moyes could grow a backbone and respond "Cause he was hurt. RVP wasn't playing either. If you're hurt, you're hurt, and if it's better for the team that an able bodied player is playing, then you should be on the bench".

As opposed to being ****ing terrified about what the fans will think about a perfectly logical problem.

Were you as critical with Fergie when he did the exact same thing with Rooney vs Bayern in 2011?

Ernest Oreo · 10-04-2014 08:48AM

MagicIRL wrote: »

Tactics wise I think Moyes got it spot on. Decision wise, he was poor. Overall I think I would rate the game as a 6/10 for United which, honestly, is not good enough.

I'm resigned to the fact that Moyes will be in charge of the club until Christmas (in my opinion), but I can't see the club climbing the European ladder with him at the helm.

agreed on both counts above.
the setup by Moyes was good. but again he wasnt able to evolve with the flow of the game and was pretty clueless as it progressed thru the various stages.
its like someone does the homework for him. then it comes to the exam and on the day hes left scratching his arse.

as for 'climbing the european ladder'

what european ladder??
its the domestic ladder that concerns me...

NTMK · 10-04-2014 08:48AM

MagicIRL wrote: »

I'm resigned to the fact that Moyes will be in charge of the club until Christmas (in my opinion), but I can't see the club climbing the European ladder with him at the helm.

im hoping that in 3 games time we will at least know where the club stand on him as that will be when the performance clauses will be triggered

Crimson King · 10-04-2014 08:48AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Can David Moyes please feck off now?

Not as a reaction to losing last night - but to he mediocre defeatest attitude, his low expectations, his excuses.

Just not fit to be a manager at any top club.

Genuinly I am surprised I have not seen the headlines 'leaving by mutual consent at the end of the season' this morning. Unless the man is given unprecedented funds in the Summer there is going to be no improvement in the clubs way of playing football.

By the way, Fletcher is finished as a top level player, hate to say it and I admire his courage but he is not up to it. He is anther player I see going this Summer, and will have to be replaced. Carrick too was not at the races but is good enough to try and recreate his form from last year.

MagicIRL · 10-04-2014 08:50AM

Ernest Oreo wrote: »

as for 'climbing the european ladder'
what european ladder??
its the domestic ladder that concerns me...

He knows the league. I reckon he'll be a top 4 manager easily if given time but I can't see him winning anything if you catch me?

Liverpool are playing some fine ball. Chelsea have the José factor and City have bankrolled the team. Arsenal, Everton and Spurs will fight United for 4th and 5th for the forseeable future in my opinion.

Manchester United Superthread 2014 Mod warning Post #1880 #2613

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