Can a woman rape a man?

Chazz Michael Michaels · 09-04-2014 06:02PM

Is raping your wife ok?

Well, allow me to quote Saudi law. Therefore its clearly ok.

GarIT · 09-04-2014 06:05PM

Mr.McLovin wrote: »

well that's half my answer...

now the mechanics of it, nah I'm not sure its physically possible to force a man into an erection if the laws were changed anyways, hard to know really (no pun intended)

A sneeky finger up the stinker and trust me you won't have a choice it will be up end of discussion, doctors even use that for medical exams.

Rape is defined here http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rape?s=t

A woman can rape a man. In Ireland they cannot be charged with it.

Chazz Michael Michaels · 09-04-2014 06:06PM

GarIT wrote: »

A sneeky finger up the stinker and trust me you won't have a choice it will be up end of discussion, doctors even use that for medical exams.

Rape is defined here http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rape?s=t

A woman can rape a man. In Ireland they cannot be charged with it.

Thank you. Well put.

GarIT · 09-04-2014 06:08PM

I also believe a male being assaulted with a dildo anally would be rape by definition, but not a crime under Irish law.

Two other points, a man doesn't need to be erect for intercourse and if a man was forced to do the work at knifepoint or gunpoint by definition it would be rape by definition but by law it would not be.

J_E · 09-04-2014 06:11PM

I would consider any direct sexual act without consent rape, regardless of what the law says.

hatrickpatrick · 09-04-2014 06:17PM

The definition of rape is one of the most appallingly badly written laws there is. Rape should mean intercourse of any kind where any party does not consent, end of story. Penetration is irrelevant - if you're being made to have sex that you haven't consented to, you're being raped.

In that context, a man or a woman can rape a man or a woman - if any of them don't consent.

kowloon · 09-04-2014 06:19PM

Forgetting the rape part... stabbings, multiple stabbings.

hatrickpatrick · 09-04-2014 06:19PM

Chazz Michael Michaels wrote: »

You do realise how stupid this post is, right?

To be fair it's not the post that's stupid but the law.

Femme_Fatale · 09-04-2014 06:22PM

Rape is forcing someone to have sex against their will - gender doesn't matter. The law doesn't recognise this though.

Maphisto · 09-04-2014 06:23PM

GarIT wrote: »

I also believe a male being assaulted with a dildo anally would be rape by definition, but not a crime under Irish law.

Surely in the example you give there is assault, sexual assault and possibly wounding involved - all covered by statute.

Otherwise we'd all be reaching for the dildos at closing time and the Garda couldn't touch us, unless similarly armed

orangesoda · 09-04-2014 06:26PM

If it was an auld heffer trying to ride you i suppose but i can't imagine getting erect in that situation and so intercourse wouldn't be possible, if an attractive woman was being rough with me i would imagine i would find it a major turn on (with no weapons though)

R P McMurphy · 09-04-2014 06:28PM

In Rescue Me, Dennis Leary got raped by his ex when she spiked him with rohypnol and viagra so I guess that is possible

kowloon · 09-04-2014 06:29PM

The law in Romania must be worse than ours.

GarIT · 09-04-2014 06:29PM

Maphisto wrote: »

Surely in the example you give there is assault, sexual assault and possibly wounding involved - all covered by statute.

Otherwise we'd all be reaching for the dildos at closing time and the Garda couldn't touch us, unless similarly armed

I meant not the crime of rape and two years possibly suspended is nothing on 10 years.

Chazz Michael Michaels · 09-04-2014 06:29PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

To be fair it's not the post that's stupid but the law.

Its both. The question is fairly universal and the attempted answer was to quote the law of some backwater.

Like I said, is it ok to rape your wife? Well, Saudi thinks its grand, so it must be ok. Case closed.

J_E · 09-04-2014 06:30PM

orangesoda wrote: »

If it was an auld heffer trying to ride you i suppose but i can't imagine getting erect in that situation and so intercourse wouldn't be possible, if an attractive woman was being rough with me i would imagine i would find it a major turn on

If you were spiked with viagra though? I know that sounds funny but it's not uncommon.

Daveysil15 · 09-04-2014 06:31PM

orangesoda wrote: »

If it was an auld heffer trying to ride you i suppose but i can't imagine getting erect in that situation and so intercourse wouldn't be possible, if an attractive woman was being rough with me i would imagine i would find it a major turn on

There was a actually a U.S marine who was raped by a pregnant woman after she drugged him.

Maphisto · 09-04-2014 06:31PM

GarIT wrote: »

I meant not the crime of rape and two years possibly suspended is nothing on 10 years.

Yes the definition of the offence of rape here is out of date and inadequate.

Medusa22 · 09-04-2014 06:32PM

I'm of the opinion (and people will disagree) that a woman can rape a man if she drugs him and has sex with him or threatens him physically with a weapon and has sex with him or if she penetrates him with an object or a strap on. In other circumstances, I don't think it is rape.

Friend Computer · 09-04-2014 06:34PM

Chazz Michael Michaels wrote: »

Its both. The question is fairly universal and the attempted answer was to quote the law of some backwater.

Like I said, is it ok to rape your wife? Well, Saudi thinks its grand, so it must be ok. Case closed.

You mean the country this site is based in, most of its users are from and the perspective from which many discussions take place?

kiffer · 09-04-2014 06:35PM

efb wrote: »

Rape under section 4 .

4.—(1) In this Act “rape under section 4 ” means a sexual assault that includes—

(a) penetration (however slight) of the anus or mouth by the penis, or

(b) penetration (however slight) of the vagina by any object held or manipulated by another person.

(2) A person guilty of rape under section 4 shall be liable on conviction on indictment to imprisonment for life.

(3) Rape under section 4 shall be a felony.

... wait... it doesn't include penetration of the vagina by the penis? Oh that's just section 4... what does the rest of statute say?

Does it make clear which genitals are whose?

it says "penetration of THE anus by THE penis" not "penitration of the victim's anus by the attackers penis".

Could a skilled law talking guy make that argument?
Probably not.

Legally, in Ireland, a woman can not rape a man...
morally speaking though I'm sure they can.
Legal definitions are not the same as actual definitions.

Daveysil15 · 09-04-2014 06:37PM

How many other countries have this crazy law?

Chazz Michael Michaels · 09-04-2014 06:40PM

Daveysil15 wrote: »

How many other countries have this crazy law?

You should see some Arabic countries...

Cauchy · 09-04-2014 06:40PM

seamus wrote: »

What's stupid about it?

From a legal perspective in Ireland, a woman cannot rape a man.

I have argued in the past that the law could be interpreted to mean that involuntary penetration by a man could be considered rape, but apparently the courts take a different tack, and a woman cannot legally be charged with rape against a man, in Ireland.

Which reflects a common attitude which considers rape to be something only men are capable of, whereas women only commit the lesser crime of sexual assault, and rarely at that.

The OP didn't ask if a woman can legally rape a man in Ireland nor even if a woman can rape a man in Ireland, he asked if a woman can rape a man and the answer is a simple yes.

eeeee · 09-04-2014 06:42PM

It's absolutely shocking and shameful that legally a woman cannot rape a man. Of course a woman can rape a man. Any forces or non consensual sexual act is rape. All other arguments to the contrary are null and void in my opinion.

What a sexist and archaic piece of legislation. Needs to be changed asap.

Yamanoto · 09-04-2014 06:43PM

orangesoda wrote: »

If it was an auld heffer trying to ride you i suppose but i can't imagine getting erect in that situation and so intercourse wouldn't be possible...)

An erection doesn't necessarily require some form of arousal, it can be a physical response to stimulus.

09-04-2014 06:44PM

Mr.McLovin wrote: »

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2600488/Sex-crazed-Angelina-Jolie-lookalike-given-suspended-sentence-forcing-taxi-driver-sex-twice-stabbing-not-manage-time.html

yes yes I know its the daily mail but serious question can a woman rape a man?

I know she could force him to so certain sexual acts but I think serious stage fright would kick in despite if she actually looked like angelia jolie (which in this article she clearly does not!)

"She stabbed him more than half a dozen stab times"

Who proof reads this drivel??

Pro Hoc Vice · 09-04-2014 06:50PM

Chazz Michael Michaels wrote: »

Its both. The question is fairly universal and the attempted answer was to quote the law of some backwater.

Like I said, is it ok to rape your wife? Well, Saudi thinks its grand, so it must be ok. Case closed.

Rape in history was only a crime committed against women in fact until recently rape was in fact a crime against the man who owned the women hence why in many countries a husband could not rape his wife.

While legally a man in Ireland can not be raped by a women, he can of course be sexually assaulted by a women.

Does this statement of the law make Ireland a backwater no it just how the irish legal system have defined certain actions, in a certain legal context. There are good arguments why rape is only against women, or in fact rape under section 4 could be male on male or in fact female on female but not for some reason female on male. There of of course many good arguments that the law should reflect the reality than a women could in fact rape a man.

Pro Hoc Vice · 09-04-2014 06:55PM

kiffer wrote: »

... wait... it doesn't include penetration of the vagina by the penis? Oh that's just section 4... what does the rest of statute say?

Does it make clear which genitals are whose?

it says "penetration of THE anus by THE penis" not "penitration of the victim's anus by the attackers penis".

Could a skilled law talking guy make that argument?
Probably not.

Legally, in Ireland, a woman can not rape a man...
morally speaking though I'm sure they can.
Legal definitions are not the same as actual definitions.

A women in such situation would be charged with sexual assault. It is safe to say that Ireland's law on sex is woefully inadequate, with many many serious issues. A perfect example if a 16 year old boy has sex with his 16 year old girlfriend in which the both agree he commits an offence in Irish law while she does not, even if he is 15 and she is 16 he still commits the offence.

Daveysil15 · 09-04-2014 07:04PM

Chazz Michael Michaels wrote: »

You should see some Arabic countries...

Well obviously, but in the western world?

Can a woman rape a man?

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