Manchester United Superthread 2014 Mod warning Post #1880 #2613

08-04-2014 01:24PM

FutureGuy wrote: »

The 7 Habits of Highly-Happy Manchester United Fans
by F. Guy

1) Patience is a virtue. We are intransition with a new manager that is learning his roll. Be kind, and kindness will smile on you.

2) Atteptance is key. David Moyes will be given at least another full season. Do not dwell on this fact, and instead see it as a constant. Happiness will follow.

3) Keep a positive frame of mind. There are many good points this year, but sometimes it is easier to focus on the negatives. Negativity leads to sadness.

4) Finances are key to success. We are a healthy club, with a sound financial structure.

5) Commit to your dreams. 360 minutes separate us from European glory. A commited fan gets behind his/her team. Wishing poor results on your team reflects negatively upon youself in the eyes of others.

6) Respect your peers. We all are individuals, and we all have opinions. Respect fo one another is key.

7) Juan Mata. He is the sexiest man in the world and his presence ties everything together. If you follow these steps, then Juan may look on you as a good human being.

Post of the year

Backstreet Moyes · 08-04-2014 01:25PM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

Scholes...?

Moyes needs an experienced assistant who is not afraid to challenge him. Looking at the bench Round, Neville and Giggs just sit their.

You need a manager and an assistant with different qualities. Moyes is very good at setting up and being solid. He needs an assistant who can work on our attacking side of the game. Managers and assistants need to bring different qualities.

Look at Ferguson and Querioz at United. Querioz had us playing free flowing football and since he left we went downhill tactically. But Querioz is not a great manager because he doesn't posses other qualities that Fergie had.

If Moyes is to improve he needs to bring in a coach with tactical abilities. Moyes can sign all the players he wants but his biggest signing should be an assistant manager.

MagicIRL · 08-04-2014 01:26PM

FutureGuy wrote: »

The 7 Habits of Highly-Happy Manchester United Fans

by F. Guy

1) Patience is a virtue. We are in transition with a new manager who is learning his roll. Be kind, and kindness will smile upon you.

2) Atteptance is key. David Moyes will be given at least another full season. Do not dwell on this fact, and instead see it as a constant. Happiness will follow.

3) Keep a positive frame of mind. There are many good points this year, but sometimes it is easier to focus on the negatives. Negativity leads to sadness.

4) Finances are key to success. We are a healthy club, with a sound financial structure.

5) Commit to your dreams. 360 minutes separate us from European glory. A commited fan gets behind his/her team. Wishing poor results on your team reflects negatively upon youself in the eyes of others.

6) Respect your peers. We all are individuals, and we all have opinions. Respect for one another is key.

7) Juan Mata. He is the sexiest man in the world and his presence ties everything together. If you follow these steps, then Juan may look on you as a good human being.

Good story, some decent characters. No matagawa mentioned so 6/10

08-04-2014 01:26PM

MagicIRL wrote: »

Good story, some decent characters. No matagawa mentioned so 6/10

It really is going to stick. Next thing it's going to be on the back of everyone's Man Utd jersey!

MagicMarker · 08-04-2014 01:29PM

user2011 wrote: »

:eek::eek::eek:

Our chances just grew a bit more?

That's BS.

irishfeen · 08-04-2014 01:34PM

Manchester United ‏@ManUtd 45 mins
.@JuanMata8 is ineligible to play on Wednesday, but he’s travelling to Munich to cheer on the team. #MUFCBAYERN

Handsome Devil :pac:

bucketybuck · 08-04-2014 01:37PM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

its down to the player who is earning tens of thousands of pounds every week not to fall asleep. no manager would get evra to stay awake.
That was my point.

still scarlet for ya, bro, for making that mistake. ouch.

Lets just recap your original point shall we.

redbaron_99 wrote:

Do people actually think this is a tactic of Moyes? "right lads, I want slow zombie passing today, don't press high up the pitch, everybody take their time on the ball, no fast forward passing, and above all I want you to make horrendous mistakes at the back - especially in the final moments of the game. Good luck, lads!"

So, your point was that that the Moyes regime has:
- slow zombie passing
- doesn't press the ball
- takes their time on the ball
- no fast forward passing
- makes horrible mistakes at the back

Then you say that Moyes doesn't want any of this, but he can't do anything about it?

This may surprise you, but its actually the managers job to do something about it. Thats kinda one of the big reasons clubs have managers.

Burt Macklin · 08-04-2014 01:38PM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

MATAGAWA!! = Win

This gif gets funnier the more I look at it

08-04-2014 01:39PM

Burt Macklin wrote: »

That gif never gets old :P

bangkok · 08-04-2014 01:39PM

irishfeen wrote: »

Manchester United ‏@ManUtd 45 mins
.@JuanMata8 is ineligible to play on Wednesday, but he’s travelling to Munich to cheer on the team. #MUFCBAYERN

Handsome Devil :pac:

he is being sent over for the charm offensive to coax Toni Kroos into signing for united

redbaron_99 · 08-04-2014 01:40PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Lets just recap your original point shall we.
So, your point was that that the Moyes regime has:
- slow zombie passing
- doesn't press the ball
- takes their time on the ball
- no fast forward passing
- makes horrible mistakes at the back

Then you say that Moyes doesn't want any of this, but he can't do anything about it?

This may surprise you, but its actually the managers job to do something about it. Thats kinda one of the big reasons clubs have managers.

Its also a manager's job to ship out players who won't or can't do it. And I'm sure more than a handful will be out the door in the summer, and rightfully so.

keane2097 · 08-04-2014 01:41PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Either I wasn't clear, or you misunderstood.

When I said they had a fearful 'how do we stop them' approach it wasn't a question the players were asking themselves as they went on to the pitch - it was about the general approach to how Moyes set up his team and tactically drilled them - fearful of the opponent and concentrating on stopping them rather than hurting them.

Would you describe Mourinho's approach as drastically dissimilar to this besides the "fearful" adjective that's thrown in there?

As the Guardian would have it, Mourinho's style is

one that does not engage high up the pitch but prefers to sit deep and thwart the opposition, looking to play reactively, and at that José Mourinho remains a master.

Considering most people seem to think Jose would be a massive step up, can you really say that the defensive, reactive school of management is not right for a top club?

It seems to me like an argument fabricated to show that Moyes is incapable of being good enough, rather than one to show he hasn't been good enough. Rings false.

bucketybuck · 08-04-2014 01:43PM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

Its also a manager's job to ship out players who won't or can't do it.

Now you are getting the hang of it!!!

user2011 · 08-04-2014 01:45PM

MagicMarker wrote: »

That's BS.

Yeah

Gone now.

Would've been fun though if we won because something to do with the ref :pac:

Hococop · 08-04-2014 01:47PM

bangkok wrote: »

he is being sent over for the charm offensive to coax Toni Kroos into signing for united

With him we would get half their team

Mitch Connor · 08-04-2014 01:47PM

keane2097 wrote: »

Would you describe Mourinho's approach as drastically dissimilar to this besides the "fearful" adjective that's thrown in there?

As the Guardian would have it, Mourinho's style is

Considering most people seem to think Jose would be a massive step up, can you really say that the defensive, reactive school of management is not right for a top club?

It seems to me like an argument fabricated to show that Moyes is incapable of being good enough, rather than one to show he hasn't been good enough. Rings false.

my personal opinion is that Mourinho has show better ability to set his side up to attack the opposition than Moyes has, even if both start with a defensive mindset. I would also say I don't think Mourinho is as conservative and defensive in nature as Moyes has proven to be over his career.

redbaron_99 · 08-04-2014 01:48PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Now you are getting the hang of it!!!

He will soon enough. And I suspect the gang that needs to go know full well they're getting the bullet, and have performed like dead men walking all season.

keane2097 · 08-04-2014 01:56PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

my personal opinion is that Mourinho has show better ability to set his side up to attack the opposition than Moyes has, even if both start with a defensive mindset. I would also say I don't think Mourinho is as conservative and defensive in nature as Moyes has proven to be over his career.

But you can't argue that Mourinho doesn't spend most of his tactical build up to big games working on nullifying the oppositions' strengths? His players laud him for it after every big win.

Mitch Connor · 08-04-2014 01:59PM

keane2097 wrote: »

But you can't argue that Mourinho doesn't spend most of his tactical build up to big games working on nullifying the oppositions' strengths? His players laud him for it after every big win.

fair point - but I would also say Mourinho has show he can work the offensive side of the game too.

The defensive side cannot be neglected - but I feel moyes' default approach focuses on it too much, and that he hasn't shown an ability to work on the offensive side of the game, and hasn't shown evidence of setting up a side to dominate the opposition.

keane2097 · 08-04-2014 02:06PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

fair point - but I would also say Mourinho has show he can work the offensive side of the game too.

The defensive side cannot be neglected - but I feel moyes' default approach focuses on it too much, and that he hasn't shown an ability to work on the offensive side of the game, and hasn't shown evidence of setting up a side to dominate the opposition.

Yeah I mean obviously there's a balance that must be struck but the idea that a defensive, reactive manager is a priori incapable of managing a top club is patently nonsense - Mourinho is the archetype defensive, reactive manager and is the pick of many as best in the world.

I do think a manager with that style taking over a club which hasn't historically had it would be more likely to spend most of his time working on that in his first season rather than on attacking strategy. Not saying that's what Moyes has done or that he's done it well if it is, but I don't think first season at a new club as a reactive manager concentrating on defence can be construed as incapacity to coach attack.

EDIT: Just in case anyone doubts my assertion that Mourinho is the type to change his tactics to nullify the opposition, here's Terry after the City game:

When asked if the result told the story of a Mourinho masterclass, Terry said: "Very much so. This is where he comes into his own.

"We spent a couple of days working on their strengths and weaknesses.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11668/9149448/premier-league-chelseas-john-terry-says-it-was-important-to-show-man-city-can-be-beaten

Son Of A Vidic · 08-04-2014 02:32PM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Post of the year

I second that motion.

RichFTW · 08-04-2014 02:34PM

David May & Jonathan Greening make the list for united but no Anderson! Oh well, something for Cleverley to keep him motivated anyway.

Ernest Oreo · 08-04-2014 02:44PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

I'm startled that people don't see the difference between Rodgers joining and revitalizing a struggling and deflated Liverpool with comparatively low expectations and Moyes joining a squad of players with nothing left to prove, reigning champions coming down off a high of a quarter of a century of unparalleled success under one of the greatest managers the game has seen.

I'm not taking anything away from Rodgers, he has done a spectacular job, but every time I see someone compare the two challenges my head comes into swift contact with the keyboard.

Liverpool has a better starting 11 than us now
their defence is as shaky as ours
SAS is more prolific than Rooney / RVP
and their midfield is much more structured than ours
granted they dont have a rooney, mata or shinji - but their system doesnt need that.

Headshot · 08-04-2014 02:51PM

Ernest Oreo wrote: »

Liverpool has a better starting 11 than us now
their defence is as shaky as ours
SAS is more prolific than Rooney / RVP
and their midfield is much more structured than ours
granted they dont have a rooney, mata or shinji - but their system doesnt need that.

Get out

Whatsisname · 08-04-2014 02:53PM

Liverpools squad is not better than ours. Not even close to.

Ernest Oreo · 08-04-2014 02:54PM

Headshot wrote: »

Get out

Very hard to argue that they dont.
as i said, they are an effective unit this year - if one dimensional (with the exception of the odd bit of brilliance from suarez)
they dont have any world class players, excluding suarez
but 11 v 11 they are a much better outfit than united right now
sad but true

bangkok · 08-04-2014 02:54PM

Ernest Oreo wrote: »

Liverpool has a better starting 11 than us now
their defence is as shaky as ours
SAS is more prolific than Rooney / RVP
and their midfield is much more structured than ours
granted they dont have a rooney, mata or shinji - but their system doesnt need that.

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Ernest Oreo · 08-04-2014 02:54PM

Whatsisname wrote: »

Liverpools squad is not better than ours. Not even close to.

the point is in relation to the starting 11
squad is a different argument

bullvine · 08-04-2014 02:57PM

There 11 is not better than United's, we top them in almost every position bar Suarez and the fact they have a good manager.

Headshot · 08-04-2014 02:57PM

Ernest Oreo wrote: »

Very hard to argue that they dont.
as i said, they are an effective unit this year - if one dimensional (with the exception of the odd bit of brilliance from suarez)
they dont have any world class players, excluding suarez
but 11 v 11 they are a much better outfit than united right now
sad but true

We have a miles better team than Liverpool. I wouldnt swap any of our players for theirs and that includes the cannibal. The only reasons why Liverpool are where they are is they have team unity, better manager, style of play and no Europe.

That's why it makes it makes me cross that we are in ****ing 6-7 position because of just majority of the blame goes on one man.

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