Manchester United Superthread 2014 Mod warning Post #1880 #2613

Rubber_Soul · 07-04-2014 06:45PM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

And I'm still not convinced on Martinez. He used to have Wigan flying for the first half of every season, then they'd go into meltdown. And he got them relegated last season.
He's done brilliantly so far, with the team that Moyes basically built, but let's see how it goes in the long term.

RANT!!! :pac::pac:

To be fair to Martinez part of his remit was to reduce wages when he took over at Wigan. In the end he was operating with a Championship clubs budget. Them going down was more to do with economic inevitability than poor management imo.

redbaron_99 · 07-04-2014 06:47PM

StarshipPooper wrote: »

To be fair to Martinez part of his remit was to reduce wages when he took over at Wigan. In the end he was operating with a Championship clubs budget. Them going down was more to do with economic inevitability than poor management imo.

Fair enough, and he did get them the FA Cup. He's not a bad manager. My post is more of a reaction to people dismissing what Moyes did for Everton - over a long period of time.

bucketybuck · 07-04-2014 06:53PM

Your Airbag wrote: »

Even before we kicked a ball this season people were losing their sh*t over Moyes doing something Fergie hasn't done in three seasons and sign a central MF.

That Fergie also ****ed it up doesn't give Moyes a pass. The club had and has a serious midfield deficiency and many fans were always going to be very vocal about that problem being addressed. Fact is, people were right to lose their sh*t, that transfer window was pathetic and some people seen it coming.

Fellaini has not been completely rubbish so far or sh*te. This is a complete simplistic and over reaction to the reality of the situation. Fellaini has been good in some games, poor in other and average in some. He was playing a lot of the season with a damaged wrist.

A lot of the season with a damaged wrist? Slight exaggeration, no? Anyway, I doubt many would agree that Felliani has been good, he has been rubbish for this club to this point. He may come good and I don't think he is being utilized correctly, but whatever the reasons he has simply not performed for us.

We all know Mata isn't a central midfielder. I think this is where the satire element of Keanes post was lost on you. Moyes is aware of the problem, he went for Cesc, Herrera and Kedhira in the summer. He obviously felt that in January wasn't a good time to get a player and it usually isn't.

Satire? Ha, good one. And frankly I am sick of hearing the old "Moyes is aware of the problem/identified the positions needed/wanted to get players in" cliche.

lordgoat · 07-04-2014 06:55PM

Fenix wrote: »

Some strike from Wilson in the u21 game. Hope he gets his debut come the end of the season.

Probably been the best thing about our season.

Lord TSC · 07-04-2014 07:00PM

onemorechance wrote: »

Long term commitment: Moyes +

Efficient transfer dealings: Moyes +

United need only 4 more points to match Liverpool's total in Rodger's year 1, and his second year has been great: Moyes +

On these notes...

Long term commitment shouldn't weigh into the debate imo; I'd happily take the job for 50 years. Doesn't mean I deserve the job.

I also don't know how anyone can say he was "effcient" in transfer dealings, at least in context of Man United; his first window was a mess, and in the second, he weakened the areas we should have been looking to strengthen.

And the third "plus" made me laugh and cry a bit; is that our expectations now? That we think it's a "pro" that Moyes took over a 1st place team and had them do as well as a 7th place team did when they changed manager?

And again, "Time =/= Automatic Improvement" despite how it's the stance so many seem to take....Moyes is not Rodgers, he's not Fergie. Giving him "time" won't be enough, hence the talk of splunking 200m on players this summer.

Headshot · 07-04-2014 07:02PM

Your Airbag wrote: »

Destroyed is not this, its not the text in red. To destroy something is to irresversable damage to such an extent that it never exists again.

UTD were relegated before. We have finshed lower than 7th before. The club has been through much harder times than this before Fergies time and excelled and has been the best time and time again.

It hasn't been a great season, its been depressing at times but your painting a picture of a club and manager than cannot bounce back. This simply isn't true. Moyes maybe able to have a great second season, if not he will get the boot.

One thing for sure is that UTD are not destroyed in any way shape or form or anything close to it.

You are getting worked up over 1 word. Moyes has destroyed this season for us then, that better?

If Moyes doesnt get the boot this season, why would you expect him to get the boot next season? If the board are willing to give Moyes time after what rubbish we saw this season, they'll keep him for more mediocre seasons to come I bet

bradlente · 07-04-2014 07:10PM

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

I also don't know how anyone can say he was "effcient" in transfer dealings, at least in context of Man United; his first window was a mess, and in the second, he weakened the areas we should have been looking to strengthen.

Howso?

07-04-2014 07:11PM

As bad as Moyes has been, you're only 2 wins from being in the mix from top 4.

Surely he can improve that much next year?

If Utd want to challenge for the title next season though they need to let him go.

redbaron_99 · 07-04-2014 07:14PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

As bad as Moyes has been, you're only 2 wins from being in the mix from top 4.

Surely he can improve that much next year?

If Utd want to challenge for the title next season though they need to let him go.

And what club do you support?

Lord TSC · 07-04-2014 07:17PM

bradlente wrote: »

Howso?

Going into the window, we needed a central midfielder and a left back.

Moyes let Anderson and Fabio leave the team; while neither are good enough for the first team, or even second in Anderson's case, it doesn't change the fact he weakened the two areas we needed to strengthen, or at least keep variety in.

We went in needing to be UP a CM and LB. We exited the window down a player in each position.

07-04-2014 07:17PM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

And what club do you support?

What does that matter?

You agree or disagree with my point?

redbaron_99 · 07-04-2014 07:18PM

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Going into the window, we needed a central midfielder and a left back.

Moyes let Anderson and Fabio leave the team; while neither are good enough for the first team, or even second in Anderson's case, it doesn't change the fact he weakened the two areas we needed to strengthen, or at least keep variety in.

We went in needing to be UP a CM and LB. We exited the window down a player in each position.

Wasn't Fabio a right full?

Mikeyt086 · 07-04-2014 07:20PM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

And what club do you support?

rarnes1 wrote: »

What does that matter?

You agree or disagree with my point?

redbaron_99 · 07-04-2014 07:22PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

What does that matter?

You agree or disagree with my point?

You can take it that I disagree

Lord TSC · 07-04-2014 07:23PM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

Wasn't Fabio a right full?

I think primarily a left back, sometimes a right back...which makes it even more criminal he was sold without a replacement coming in...

redbaron_99 · 07-04-2014 07:24PM

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

I think primarily a left back, sometimes a right back...which makes it even more criminal he was sold without a replacement coming in...

He's a right full. Right footed. Strangely, just like his twin brother.

07-04-2014 07:25PM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

You can take it that I disagree

So you think he could have Utd challenging for the league next season?

Fair enough. I just don't think he's up to it tbh.

redbaron_99 · 07-04-2014 07:28PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

So you think he could have Utd challenging for the league next season?

Fair enough. I just don't think he's up to it tbh.

Yes I do.
Fair enough. We shall have to agree to disagree.
Who do you support? Out of interest

07-04-2014 07:30PM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

Yes I do.
Fair enough. We shall have to agree to disagree.
Who do you support? Out of interest

Raith Rovers

Your Airbag · 07-04-2014 07:31PM

Headshot wrote: »

You are getting worked up over 1 word. Moyes has destroyed this season for us then, that better?

If Moyes doesnt get the boot this season, why would you expect him to get the boot next season? If the board are willing to give Moyes time after what rubbish we saw this season, they'll keep him for more mediocre seasons to come I bet

I never got worked up, that was you with aggressive posts. Now that you have corrected your use of words I can say yes its been a bad season, I never said otherwise. It still doesn't change my view that I'd give him one more season and things can get better.

You disagree and I can see why. I have no problem with someone wanting him out.

redbaron_99 · 07-04-2014 07:32PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Raith Rovers

Ah, but you're not. You're a Liverpool fan.

RichFTW · 07-04-2014 07:35PM

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Going into the window, we needed a central midfielder and a left back.

Moyes let Anderson and Fabio leave the team; while neither are good enough for the first team, or even second in Anderson's case, it doesn't change the fact he weakened the two areas we needed to strengthen, or at least keep variety in.

We went in needing to be UP a CM and LB. We exited the window down a player in each position.

You can't seriously be blaming Moyes for letting them go! They were both useless and of no benefit to the team considering Buttner & Cleverly could provide better back-up in those positions. Does Fabio even get his game for QPR? As for Anderson, I'm still in shock that someone has tried to defend keeping him at the club!

Lord TSC · 07-04-2014 07:35PM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

He's a right full. Right footed. Strangely, just like his twin brother.

United site has him listed as Left Back
http://www.manutd.com/en/Players-And-Staff/First-Team/Fabio.aspx

Transfermarkt as left back, who can play right
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/fabio/profil/spieler_61891.html

RichFTW wrote: »

You can't seriously be blaming Moyes for letting them go! They were both useless and of no benefit to the team considering Buttner & Cleverly could provide better back-up in those positions. Does Fabio even get his game for QPR? As for Anderson, I'm still in shock that someone has tried to defend keeping him at the club!

I wouldn't have a problem with letting players go if we had brought people in to replace them; THAT was my point. Not that either was good enough for the team, but that they were better than nothing as expanded squad options at the very least. This, remember, was in reply to the idea he had efficent transfer windows.

bradlente · 07-04-2014 07:36PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Raith Rovers

Great win yesterday.

redbaron_99 · 07-04-2014 07:37PM

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

United site has him listed as Left Back
http://www.manutd.com/en/Players-And-Staff/First-Team/Fabio.aspx

Transfermarkt as left back, who can play right
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/fabio/profil/spieler_61891.html

I don't care what it says. The guy is a right full. Watch him play at Cardiff if you doubt me.

Average-Ro · 07-04-2014 07:38PM

Is there anyone in the reserve/youth team that might make a step up next year?

Similar to what Januzaj did this year. Don't follow the youths that closely so I'm hoping someone better informed can take a stab at answering:)

redbaron_99 · 07-04-2014 07:39PM

Average-Ro wrote: »

Is there anyone in the reserve/youth team that might make a step up next year?

Similar to what Januzaj did this year. Don't follow the youths that closely so I'm hoping someone better informed can take a stab at answering:)

Wilson would be the stand out.
Janko might be capable of it. Scholes seems to think he can.

Headshot · 07-04-2014 07:40PM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

I don't care what it says. The guy is a right full. Watch him play at Cardiff if you doubt me.

He was a LB when he came to the club, played LB with Flum youths. Thats his best position

bradlente · 07-04-2014 07:40PM

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Going into the window, we needed a central midfielder and a left back.

Moyes let Anderson and Fabio leave the team; while neither are good enough for the first team, or even second in Anderson's case, it doesn't change the fact he weakened the two areas we needed to strengthen, or at least keep variety in.

We went in needing to be UP a CM and LB. We exited the window down a player in each position.

They were never getting in the team this season,better they get games somewhere else so they can either a) prove their worth or b) find another club easier and keep their value up more than if they were bench-warming.I doubt having overpaid squad players moping about the training ground because they're getting no games is good for squad harmony either.

Quandary · 07-04-2014 07:41PM

This squad is more than good enough to be comfortably in the top 4. We have spent £65m on reinforcements already this season. The tactics, team selections and substitutions have at times been baffling. People might say the players have under performed, and this is true, but when 90% of your players have underperformed in 90% of the matches this season then the fault lies at the managers door.

Moyes has done practically nothing to show he is capable of doing the job.

If we don't get top 4 he needs to be sacked IMO. No other club in the world would put up with such a poor season so why should we?

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