Barcelona receive two window transfer embargo

Lennonist · 03-04-2014 05:22PM

SantryRed wrote: »

Football most definitely has a doping problem. It's a huge ****ing problem but no one cares. The Spanish government not releasing the Fuentes evidence should tell people all they need to know.

I'm not saying you're wrong, I don't actually know. However I'd imagine if football has a doping problem then it would not be possible to conceal it indefinitely. It would be leaked by some whistleblowers eventually and if there was a widespread problem then a can of worms would be opened. Also if doping is a problem in top level football then it certainly isn't confined to Barcelona. If they are doing it then most or a lot of their rivals across Europe would be as well.

If Barca are gulty as charged in this instance they should serve out the transfer ban. Still there's a lot of unfounded speculation about other matters going on in this thread, seems like a lot of posters here have it in for Barcelona as a football club for some reason and there appears to be a groupthink thing going on in relation to that club.

Tox56 · 03-04-2014 05:31PM

Jesus christ, the chip on the shoulder that some people have on this thread with regards to Barcelona is insane, with this particular nugget taking the biscuit

Andersonisgod · 03-04-2014 05:36PM

Tox56 wrote: »

Jesus christ, the chip on the shoulder that some people have on this thread with regards to Barcelona is insane, with this particular nugget taking the biscuit

Personally I think it's disgusting that we have people on this forum publicly questioning and even implying that a player's career success has been down to illegal activities. It's downright disgraceful that on a public forum they are castigating and calling into question the character of a model professional without a shred of evidence.

Mars Bar · 03-04-2014 05:37PM

There's a thread about doping elsewhere.

RasTa · 03-04-2014 05:38PM

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Personally I think it's disgusting that we have people on this forum publicly questioning and even implying that a player's career success has been down to illegal activities. It's downright disgraceful that on a public forum they are castigating and calling into question the character of a model professional without a shred of evidence.

Who are? One poster mentioned Xavi that I can see.

Any comments on Barca breaking the rules regarding 10 underage players?

Andersonisgod · 03-04-2014 05:44PM

RasTa wrote: »

Who are? One poster mentioned Xavi that I can see.

Any comments on Barca breaking the rules regarding 10 underage players?

1 person has named player without any kind of proof to back it up, the equivalent of pointing at someone in the street and accusing them of being a witch. Others have questioned the validity of the anti doping system in Spain.

No, why would I? Barcelona have been charged, the club will appeal the decision and we will find out the outcome of that appeal in the future, until we discover the outcome all else is speculative nonsense. All I will say is that I agree with Barcelona highlighting La Masia in their defence, a model institution that has produced a fine share of world class footballers and fine human beings, an institution that has helped many realise their dreams and have a better life for players and their families.

Turtwig · 03-04-2014 05:52PM

Yes but Barca's defence seems to be. Yes, ok we did break the rules but the system we provided is far better than the standards your rules expect anyway. Which may indeed be true (or it might not be), the club has a strong ethos in development of kids' skills in all facets of life but it's still an admission of guilt of sorts. Their appeal will probably be an appeal to the stupidity of FIFA's rule or something along those lines. Which may indeed be true as FIFA can be incredibly stupid, but also, they still broke the rules. Other clubs, it seems, upheld them. Does that mean Barca had an unfair advantage over its rivals?

As a side note, it would be interesting to know how many other clubs are actually breaching these rules. I suspect there's a few in Spain. Barca's only came to light because of anonymous complaints that FIFA had to follow up on. Sort of like the Rosell/Neymar mess it seems both were internal complaints.

LiamoSail · 03-04-2014 06:13PM

Tox56 wrote: »

Jesus christ, the chip on the shoulder that some people have on this thread with regards to Barcelona is insane, with this particular nugget taking the biscuit

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Personally I think it's disgusting that we have people on this forum publicly questioning and even implying that a player's career success has been down to illegal activities. It's downright disgraceful that on a public forum they are castigating and calling into question the character of a model professional without a shred of evidence.

Andersonisgod wrote: »

1 person has named player without any kind of proof to back it up, the equivalent of pointing at someone in the street and accusing them of being a witch. Others have questioned the validity of the anti doping system in Spain.

No, why would I? Barcelona have been charged, the club will appeal the decision and we will find out the outcome of that appeal in the future, until we discover the outcome all else is speculative nonsense. All I will say is that I agree with Barcelona highlighting La Masia in their defence, a model institution that has produced a fine share of world class footballers and fine human beings, an institution that has helped many realise their dreams and have a better life for players and their families.

A chip on the shoulder and disgusting? I think your reaction to my comments is some what exaggerated.

Firstly, I don't have a chip on my shoulder regarding Barcelona. I like Barcelona, and respect the cultural and political aspects of the club.

I never made an accusation that Xavi was doping, it was however implied. I'm a firm believer that doping in football is commonplace and carried out on a wide scale. On a discussion on corruption etc regarding Barcelona, the question is perfectly valid. I'm not saying Xavi is doping, merely that his unparalleled development is suspicious, and the suspicion is not based purely on his development, there's plenty of other evidence that while certainly not conclusive, at least warrants the questions that are being asked.

As I said, I've huge respect for Barcelona and the culture of the club, but I'm not going to let that blind my opinion of what I believe is a corrupt streak within the club, and this coupled with ongoing Neymar scandal serve to demonstrate that the club do operate in a manner far removed from the principals on which the institution is based

bucketybuck · 04-04-2014 12:03AM

Andersonisgod wrote: »

No, why would I?

You take every opportunity to spout off about the great Barcelona yet in this instance you suddenly have no comment? Surprise surprise.

SeantheMan · 04-04-2014 12:52AM

LiamoSail wrote: »

I'm not saying Xavi is doping, merely that his unparalleled development is suspicious, and the suspicion is not based purely on his development, there's plenty of other evidence that while certainly not conclusive, at least warrants the questions that are being asked.

Why is his development in any way suspicious ?
He would probably have been in the Barca team even earlier than he always, except that the ICON that was Pep Guardiola was ahead of him.
He was given his debut in a Cup Final at 18...I think that shows he was skilled as a kid even back then, the signs were there back then of the player he would become

You should watch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PODAYLUpTrI

when you get the chance

WallyGUFC · 04-04-2014 01:21AM

bucketybuck wrote: »

You take every opportunity to spout off about the great Barcelona yet in this instance you suddenly have no comment? Surprise surprise.

Barcelona can't do any wrong don't you know. Saviours of football apparently.

Timmyctc · 04-04-2014 02:40AM

WallyGUFC wrote: »

Barcelona can't do any wrong don't you know. Saviours of football apparently.

I thought you were out tonight?

dfx- · 04-04-2014 12:41PM

Tox56 wrote: »

Jesus christ, the chip on the shoulder that some people have on this thread with regards to Barcelona is insane, with this particular nugget taking the biscuit

It was a notably quiet, calm matchthread against Atletico, compared to higher profile Barcelona matchthreads.

Turtwig · 04-04-2014 02:05PM

dfx- wrote: »

It was a notably quiet, calm matchthread against Atletico, compared to higher profile Barcelona matchthreads.

Game was a cracker too. Pity more people didn't watch it.

LuckyLloyd · 04-04-2014 02:15PM

Jernal wrote: »

Game was a cracker too. Pity more people didn't watch it.

Was a pretty good game going on elsewhere to be fair...

MisterAnarchy · 04-04-2014 03:16PM

Anyway I think this transfer ban might be a good thing ,Barcelona's transfers in the last few years have been nothing short of atrocious ,a monumental waste of money .

Andersonisgod · 04-04-2014 03:24PM

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Anyway I think this transfer ban might be a good thing ,Barcelona's transfers in the last few years have been nothing short of atrocious ,a monumental waste of money .

No. Neymar will prove to be a star in the long term and he has contributed with key goals this season. Sanchez provides a different option and is enjoying probably his best season yet at Barcelona. Alba was a terrific buy, at a bargain price, he is top quality. Song provides decent cover and is versatile. Fabregas has undoubted quality and belongs at Barcelona.

MisterAnarchy · 04-04-2014 03:50PM

Andersonisgod wrote: »

No. Neymar will prove to be a star in the long term and he has contributed with key goals this season. Sanchez provides a different option and is enjoying probably his best season yet at Barcelona. Alba was a terrific buy, at a bargain price, he is top quality. Song provides decent cover and is versatile. Fabregas has undoubted quality and belongs at Barcelona.

Neymar cost almost 100m euro ,maybe more ,he has had a poor season and while he will improve ,he wasnt really needed,a decent centre back was far more necessary.

What about the money wasted on Ibrahimovich and Chygrynskiy ,1 season each at a loss of at least 40m plus Eto .

Caceres,bought for 16.5m ,sold for 3m.

Hleb bought for 15m ,barely played for Barcelona,released for nothing.

Keirrison,bought for 14m ,hasnt kicked a ball for Barcelona.

Henrique,bought for 8m,released for nothing,didnt kick a ball for Barcelona.

Milito ,bought for 20m ,played 48 matches for the club over 4 seasons riddled with injuries,released for nothing.

David Villa ,bought for 40m euro ,sold for 3m,3 years later.
He served the club well but never should have been sold for so little.

There are many more examples of the waste going on in the transfer department and when I hear the club being linked with the likes of David "Liability" Luiz a transfer ban is no harm.

Nerdlingr · 23-04-2014 11:15AM

I see the ban has been suspended pending Barca's appeal. They're free to sign who they like this summer. Quelle suprise!

keano_afc · 23-04-2014 11:20AM

I for one am shocked.

Agueroooo · 23-04-2014 11:34AM

It lasted three weeks :pac:

Dolph Starbeam · 23-04-2014 11:36AM

Was always going to happen. No surprise at all.

gimmick · 23-04-2014 11:38AM

Justice tbh.

Though I am sure Barca will be paying quite the premium on any centre halves they are after.

dan1895 · 23-04-2014 11:39AM

Shocking. I need to lie down to recover from the surprise of this.

Iang87 · 23-04-2014 11:44AM

is this not the same as any other situation in football that while an appeal is pending you're not punished

Skylinehead · 23-04-2014 11:47AM

gimmick wrote: »

Justice tbh.

Justice? It's standard procedure while the punishment is being appealed.

NTMK · 23-04-2014 11:48AM

Iang87 wrote: »

is this not the same as any other situation in football that while an appeal is pending you're not punished

yep im just suprissed that there wasnt a 10-day appeal window attached to it and their wont be a further penalty for barca if they're found to be wasting time

either way it will be interesting to see what BS barca spin

RasTa · 23-04-2014 11:50AM

Yeah any club would have appealed this so not surprised.

cson · 23-04-2014 11:52AM

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Fabregas has undoubted quality and belongs at Barcelona.

This sort of 'belongs' **** gets my goat tbh. He belonged to Arsenal until your lot decided that he had Barcelona DNA and essentially tapped him up in full public view. A ****ing Barcelona shirt was forced over his head during the World Cup celebrations while he was still contracted to another club.

Barcelona is a club with shocking etiquette when it comes to transfers, a pretty poor strike rate when it comes to successful transfers and real holier than thou attitude which they use to seek to elevate themselves to something above the law.

miralize · 23-04-2014 12:16PM

Theres no point in denying we got off lucky

Barcelona receive two window transfer embargo

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