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Aer Lingus Fleet Discusion

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    #722
    useless
    Registered Users Posts: 755 ✭✭✭useless


    Found a link:
    http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/travel/news-deals-and-holiday-inspiration-1.1715229?page=2

    Article says 1-2-1 but it's hardly an 'expert' source. Im just interested in how they fit the same number of seats into the same (or close to the same) space, while giving everyone access to an aisle. Must take a look at Virgin's configuration as mentioned in one of the posts above to see how they did it.

    Barring a lotto win, such information will make absolutely no difference to my daily grind in any case:)


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    #723
    kevinandrew
    Registered Users Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭kevinandrew


    Aer Lingus looking at 40 new short haul aircraft, will issue an RFP in the next 18 months. Also includes a 757 replacement, probably A321neo if Airbus can achieve the range.

    http://www.anna.aero/2014/03/13/30-second-interview-aer-lingus-chief-commercial-officer-stephen-kavanagh/


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    #724
    basill
    Registered Users Posts: 1,348 ✭✭✭basill


    MIA has been the rumour for the past year or so. Not sure what the other East coast destination SK is looking at. If its Philly or IAD then that would surely need one of the US operators to pull off and a codeshare to be setup as the loads wouldn't sustain the additional flights. Unless he is talking Canada in which case Halifax was on the table recently for the etops 320s.


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    #725
    MICKEYG
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    basill wrote: »
    MIA has been the rumour for the past year or so. Not sure what the other East coast destination SK is looking at. If its Philly or IAD then that would surely need one of the US operators to pull off and a codeshare to be setup as the loads wouldn't sustain the additional flights. Unless he is talking Canada in which case Halifax was on the table recently for the etops 320s.

    Miami would be perfect if they could code-share with American. It would open up the whole of the Caribbean and South and Central America. I can't imagine United would be too happy with that though (they would prefer this traffic to go through Houston).
    Miami would also link to the large cruise business which is very popular with Irish tourists.


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    #726
    GTE
    Registered Users Posts: 3,909 ✭✭✭GTE


    It is just me not paying as much attenion as possible but I had to double take at this from that 30 second interview. I will get rid of the * so you can see how I read it. :o

    Short-haul:
    Dublin to Hannover and Pula
    Shannon to Malaga and Bristol
    Cork to Newcastle

    Long-haul
    Dublin to San Francisco and Toronto
    Operated by Aer Lingus Regional :eek:

    :P


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    #727
    kub
    Registered Users Posts: 6,533 ✭✭✭kub


    bbk wrote: »
    It is just me not paying as much attenion as possible but I had to double take at this from that 30 second interview. I will get rid of the * so you can see how I read it. :o

    Long-haul
    Dublin to San Francisco and Toronto
    Operated by Aer Lingus Regional :eek:

    :P

    Only applicable when the gale force winds blow in the right direction.


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    #728
    XsApollo
    Registered Users Posts: 2,406 ✭✭✭XsApollo


    The Aer Lingus 757 in Shannon is training today by the looks of it.
    Doing go Arounds all day if anybody is interested :)


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    #729
    yer man!
    Registered Users Posts: 1,648 ✭✭✭yer man!


    XsApollo wrote: »
    The Aer Lingus 757 in Shannon is training today by the looks of it.
    Doing go Arounds all day if anybody is interested :)

    I was on that last week to Boston, not a bad aircraft, very smooth. The seats are new I think but feel a little cheap, they have a 7" touch screen in the headrests with a usb port and 3.5mm headphone jack. There are only 3 rows in business but on my flight there was only one person in there anyway. The crew seem to be mostly from Limerick too. There's no wifi or mobile phone signal on board. I got the round trip for €397 so I didn't really care about the comfort.


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    #730
    GTE
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    EI-LBR has been doing some filling in according to Flightradar.

    Filled in for an ATR from Edinburgh and then London to Edinburgh for Virgin Atlantic.

    Lucky for the aviation peeps flying those routes. Was hoping for it to happen on a recent Manchester flight for me :p

    http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ei-lbr/


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    #731
    L1011
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,899 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Wonder how they work out the financials when mainline stands in on a Regional flight. One hell of a difference in craft for that trip anyway!


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    #732
    calibratedtool
    Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭calibratedtool


    bbk wrote: »
    EI-LBR has been doing some filling in according to Flightradar.

    Filled in for an ATR from Edinburgh and then London to Edinburgh for Virgin Atlantic.

    Lucky for the aviation peeps flying those routes. Was hoping for it to happen on a recent Manchester flight for me :p

    http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ei-lbr/

    That information is incorrect. LBR returned yesterday MST-SNN after paint. It didn't operate any other route.


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    #733
    GTE
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    calibratedtool wrote: »
    That information is incorrect. LBR returned yesterday MST-SNN after paint. It didn't operate any other route.

    Had a feeling, so I wonder how the recognition systems could make that type of error.


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    #734
    Rabbitt
    Registered Users Posts: 116 ✭✭Rabbitt


    lxflyer wrote: »
    The A330 is on lease to Novair for flights from Scandinavia to the Caribbean.

    Much lower demand during the winter between Shannon and the US - hence a 757 is far more appropriate.

    Does that fly as aer lingus and in EI colours


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    #735
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users Posts: 17,579 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    The aircraft remains in full Aer Lingus colours, with EI flight deck crew.


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    #736
    basill
    Registered Users Posts: 1,348 ✭✭✭basill


    Technically its "some" AL flight crew on secondment to ASL.


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    #737
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users Posts: 17,579 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    basill wrote: »
    Technically its "some" AL flight crew on secondment to ASL.

    I'm assuming he's asking about the A330 leased to Novair (and not the 757).

    ASL aren't involved in the A330 lease and hence my comment that it has EI flight crew.


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    #738
    delthedriver
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,958 ✭✭✭delthedriver


    The Aer Lingus 757 operating on Shannon Boston is cramped claustrophobic and narrow for Trans Atlantic Crossings, It is like travelling in a Ryanair plane for 6.5 hours


    There is only a centre aisle and cabin crew of 4. There is no room to move about in flight. Cabin crew work in cramped conditions , pushing their carts up and down the aisle.


    Passengers who need to use the bathrooms, the three of which are at the middle of the plane have to negotiate their way down the aisle against the oncoming steward pushing their cart.


    As there are only 4 flight attendants, they are working long hours, flat out without a break in order to look after their passengers. This cannot be good for the cabin crew nor passengers. Dread to think what could happen if either a member of cabin crew or passenger should take ill mid flight.


    This new arrangement of ASL operating flights on behalf of AER Lingus , with some of the cabin crew also contracted to Aer Lingus is unacceptable.


    Christoph Muller , Aer Lingus CEO needs to relook at this new arrangement. If this is his best offering for the Shannon routes he needs to treat his passengers with the respect and loyalty they have shown Aer Lingus. My guess he is trying to run down the Shannon route while at the same time trying to please Minister Varadkar and Government by offering something out of Shannon


    I will not be flying 757 out of Shannon again. My wife was ill during our stay in the US and could not face travelling back on the same plane. As a result we upgraded to business class and were extremely well looked after by Senior Cabin Crew , Ms Lesley Murphy, It was obvious Ms . Murphy was a Real Aer Lingus staff member. Her professionalism certainly showed her apart from the new look budget bin operation which is operating on Shannon Boston Route.


    By the way the 757 I understand will also operate on Shannon New York and Dublin Torronto!


    For one I will be making alternative arrangements. The 757 is nothing more than cattle class


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    #739
    L1011
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    Good luck finding non 757 ops out of Shannon... Unless all you want to go to is Toronto in summer.


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    #740
    delthedriver
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,958 ✭✭✭delthedriver


    MYOB wrote: »
    Good luck finding non 757 ops out of Shannon... Unless all you want to go to is Toronto in summer.



    You misread my txt. I never suggested 757's from Shannon to Toronto


    Rather I said 757 from Dublin to Toronto.


    I have already checked Air Canada are flying to Toronto from Dublin during the summer. Why would I take a 757?


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    #741
    highlydebased
    Registered Users Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭highlydebased


    delthedriver wrote: »
    You misread my txt. I never suggested 757's from Shannon to Toronto


    Rather I said 757 from Dublin to Toronto.


    I have already checked Air Canada are flying to Toronto from Dublin during the summer. Why would I take a 757?

    No- the only alternative to flying on a 757 ex SNN is to fly to Toronto on an A330 operated by Air Transat. That's what MYOB is on about.


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    #742
    L1011
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    delthedriver wrote: »
    You misread my txt. I never suggested 757's from Shannon to Toronto

    I rather think you're the one doing the misreading here.

    The only non-757 transatlantic service from Shannon is the Air Transat service to Toronto in the summer. No matter what "alternative arrangement" you make, unless you either drive to Dublin or transfer via somewhere else, you're getting a 757.

    The 757 is the only reason Shannon can even have the breadth of transatlantic services it has.


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    #743
    orionm_73
    Registered Users Posts: 351 ✭✭orionm_73


    This new arrangement of ASL operating flights on behalf of AER Lingus , with some of the cabin crew also contracted to Aer Lingus is unacceptable.
    It was obvious Ms . Murphy was a Real Aer Lingus staff member.

    All of the cabin crew on the B757 flights are Aer Lingus crew. None have been contracted to Aer Lingus from ASL or anywhere else.


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    #744
    Nonoperational
    Registered Users Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭Nonoperational


    What a rant. I dare say I sense some vested interest.


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    #745
    delthedriver
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,958 ✭✭✭delthedriver


    MYOB wrote: »
    I rather think you're the one doing the misreading here.

    The only non-757 transatlantic service from Shannon is the Air Transat service to Toronto in the summer. No matter what "alternative arrangement" you make, unless you either drive to Dublin or transfer via somewhere else, you're getting a 757.

    The 757 is the only reason Shannon can even have the breadth of transatlantic services it has.



    Thank you for clarifying re Transat. Were never a consideration imho.


    However I have no issue flying to Dublin and connecting with my preferred options.


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    #746
    delthedriver
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,958 ✭✭✭delthedriver


    orionm_73 wrote: »
    All of the cabin crew on the B757 flights are Aer Lingus crew. None have been contracted to Aer Lingus from ASL or anywhere else.



    To clarify the majority of cabin crew on the 757 operated by ASL are contracted temporary employees from Aer Lingus Ireland. The remainder are Aer Lingus staff


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    #747
    delthedriver
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,958 ✭✭✭delthedriver


    Nonoperational wrote: »
    What a rant. I dare say I sense some vested interest.



    Who is ranting?


    I have no vested interest in Aer Lingus .


    As a customer I can choose which carrier I prefer to travel with.


    If I decide to avoid a particular airliner I may make alternative arrangements.


    What is wrong with that?


    Who here has a vested interest? If anyone has a vested interest , please feel free to say so. Everyone is entitled to their opinion!


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    #748
    Daidy2011
    Registered Users Posts: 109 ✭✭Daidy2011


    delthedriver wrote: »
    Thank you for clarifying re Transat. Were never a consideration imho.


    However I have no issue flying to Dublin and connecting with my preferred options.

    Only one flaw in your argument - you cannot fly from SNN to DUB to connect with your preferred option.


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    #749
    orionm_73
    Registered Users Posts: 351 ✭✭orionm_73


    To clarify the majority of cabin crew on the 757 operated by ASL are contracted temporary employees from Aer Lingus Ireland. The remainder are Aer Lingus staff

    They are still Aer Lingus employees. All cabin crew start their employment on temporary contracts. And no, the majority of crew on 757 operations are not temporary. They are the same crew based in SNN that were there before the 757 arrived plus one small group of temps recruited as more crew were needed.


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    #750
    Tenger
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    delthedriver wrote: »
    The Aer Lingus 757 operating on Shannon Boston is cramped claustrophobic and narrow for Trans Atlantic Crossings, It is like travelling in a Ryanair plane for 6.5 hours......

    Well the B757 is pretty much just a stretched B737. Galley size and cabin width are pretty much similar.

    However the lower operating costs of the B757 allows EI to offer more seats per week from SNN and to start the DUB-Toronto route (which could be upgrade to an A330 in 12-18 months if successful)


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    #751
    robbieVan
    Registered Users Posts: 97 ✭✭robbieVan


    I would love to hear how the switch was from an EI A320 Driver who jumped to the right hand seat of the 757, find out how both compare to each other and compare the technologies of each plane, 757 is probably a little more manual of an operation when hand flying


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