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Aventador Crash - Moment of Impact

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  • #32
    PrettyBoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,213 ✭✭✭PrettyBoy


    Guy filming is a moron, instead of going to see if either of the occupants are OK he just walks around slowly filming both of the cars :confused:


  • #33
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,773 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    corktina wrote: »
    The Mazda was well out of the side turn before impact. The Aventador was driving far too fast

    Honestly, I think anyone blaming the Aventador is trolling.

    It is 100% the Mazdas fault, he pulled in front of him. You cant stop instantly unless you are absolutely crawling along, there was no way the lambo could stop from a reasonable speed in the tiny amount of time he had.

    It doesn't even matter in my opinion what speed he was going once it wasn't crazy altogether as if you pull in front of a car then its your fault plain and simple. Look how fast he stopped after the crash he was most likely at or very close to the speed limit.


  • #34
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Kenny Logins wrote: »
    I'm not so sure it was completely the Mazda at fault. I think they each gambled on the other stopping, but both lost.
    The guy with the right of way wasn't gambling at all. He had right of way.


  • #35
    Caliden
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,981 ✭✭✭Caliden


    Legend Ugly Passport wrote: »
    Honestly, I think anyone blaming the Aventador is trolling.


    It's the high horse brigade out in force. They scour the Dash cam thread in the hope of finding issue with every video posted and water at the mouth when someone posts a thread about being caught speeding.

    Best thing to do is add them to your ignore list so the tripe they post is filtered out.


  • #36
    corktina
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,730 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    I didn't say the Lambo driver was to blame...I said he was driving too fast. Look how far he went past the point of impact. Assuming he saw the guy pulling out, he would have slowed a fair bit before he appeared in shot.

    There's no excuse for accusing someone of trolling for offering an opinion.


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  • #37
    dantastic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 395 ✭✭dantastic


    I have watched that video over and over. The lambo was not going that fast. He pretty much rolled to a stop.

    Of course he saw the Mazda pull out. But expected it to stop before pulling out.

    It's a bit the same as watching someone announce they are going to drink bleach - you're not going to try to stop them because you're just so sure they won't actually do it.


  • #38
    vibe666
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭vibe666


    here we go.

    301134.jpg

    bus going the opposite way obscuring the view further down the road where the lambo was coming from, BUT the mazda would have been able to see far enough down the street to the point where the bus was to assume that it would be safe to pull out if there wasn't someone coming speeding the other way in a low profile matte black stealth bomber.

    there is no doubt that the lambo was speeding, but as usual, the 2fast2furious crowd here are jumping to the defence of someone making a point (and making a video) of themselves speeding through city streets, ignoring the traffic laws designed to stop this sort of thing happening.

    of course though, there are plenty of people here who seem to think that the traffic laws are only optional if you've got a fast car and they only apply to everyone else and not them.

    the lambo was definitely speeding as he took off when he hit the mazda and didn't come to a stop until a full street away after hitting 2 other cars.


  • #39
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,518 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    How can people be sure he wasnt speeding?
    Whats the limit on that stretch of road? 30, 40?
    He was certainly going faster than that.

    Its 50:50. You can't unilaterally blame the driver pulling out if the other car is hammering it (not saying he was in this case but the point stands) Otherwise no one would ever pull out of a junction.

    Also, the reason he stopped so quickly is that he hit 3 bloody cars and his is made of tinfoil.


  • #40
    dr.fuzzenstein
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,575 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    vibe666 wrote: »
    The lambo was going too fast to stop when someone pulled out in front of him. The whole point of having lower speed limits in busy city centres is that things like that tend to happen.

    What if it had been a woman with a baby in a pushchair or a kid on a push bike?

    if there were no visible obstructions preventing them from seeing each other, the lambo driver must have seen the Mazda sitting at the junction and slowly pulling out, so he was either going too fast to stop in time, fast enough that he didn't see the Mazda until was (literally) on top of him or figured he could make through that the Mazda would eventually stop (aka a game of chicken).

    Whatever way you want to slice it, the accident wouldn't have happened if the lambo had been driving within speed limits and hadn't been speeding through city streets.

    The whole point of having rules of the road is to regulate behaviour and define who is at fault in a crash.
    The rules state right of way and by those rules, if you pull out from a side street right into the path of an oncoming car and cause a crash, you are at fault.
    The rules do not state "ah shure, when I pull out the other guy should see me coming and do an emergency brake, while I continue oblivious" or even "jaysus, he was going awful fasht, you should of heard de noise from dat car, sure he must be at fault"
    A lot of people want to blame the Lambo based on those two arguments.

    Argument "He should have seen me pull out":
    B*llocks. He should have watched out for traffic on the road that has priority over him. It's his job to watch out for traffic and pull out when safe. Especially if said traffic can be heard three blocks away.

    Argument "Ah shure, he was going awful fasht, bejaysus, you could hear him a mile away!"
    So decibel is the new measurement of speed now? Is that official? Strange, I must have missed that meeting.

    Blaming the Lambo is just begrudgery. And it's more like the traffic laws where optional to the driver of whatever bland Eurobox I have forgotten already.


  • #41
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,518 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »
    The whole point of having rules of the road is to regulate behaviour and define who is at fault in a crash.
    The rules state right of way and by those rules, if you pull out from a side street right into the path of an oncoming car and cause a crash, you are at fault.

    Everysingle time you pull out in the city you are pulling out in front of someone, the difference is the speed the other car is travelling; hence we have very low speed limits in these areas.


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  • #42
    dr.fuzzenstein
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,575 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    GreeBo wrote: »
    Everysingle time you pull out in the city you are pulling out in front of someone, the difference is the speed the other car is travelling; hence we have very low speed limits in these areas.

    That's fine then, from now on I'll just pull out in front of people around cities and then say "He should of seen me pulling out!".
    Try that in court and the next line will be "You're at fault for pulling out, guilty, next!"

    The Mazda pulled out, he's at fault and:
    Argument "He should have seen me pull out":
    B*llocks. He should have watched out for traffic on the road that has priority over him. It's his job to watch out for traffic and pull out when safe. Especially if said traffic can be heard three blocks away.

    Argument "Ah shure, he was going awful fasht, bejaysus, you could hear him a mile away!"
    So decibel is the new measurement of speed now? Is that official? Strange, I must have missed that meeting.

    I'll keep quoting this to any counter argument, because there isn't one. Somebody even mentioned the paint job on the Lambo. Getting a bit desperate are we?


  • #43
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,518 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »
    That's fine then, from now on I'll just pull out in front of people around cities and then say "He should of seen me pulling out!".
    Try that in court and the next line will be "You're at fault for pulling out, guilty, next!"

    The Mazda pulled out, he's at fault and:


    So at no point/speed do you think the lambo is at fault?
    What if he was doing 80?
    Do you believe in speed limits or "appropriate speed"?

    Would you deny that a speed whereby you cant stop before a car crawls out in front of you is inappropriate in a city centre location?

    Imagine its a kid on a bike, or chasing a ball. Is it the kids fault for running out and so tough that you just painted him all over the road?


    "heard three blocks away"

    So when you hear loud cars you dont make any turns or cross any lanes now?
    I call b0ll0cks on that one mate.


  • #44
    dantastic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 395 ✭✭dantastic


    dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »
    That's fine then, from now on I'll just pull out in front of people around cities and then say "He should of seen me pulling out!".
    Try that in court and the next line will be "You're at fault for pulling out, guilty, next!"

    I think that's the generally held belief tho. If someone pulls out in front of you, no matter what. Aaaaah you were going a bit fasht.

    It's the same as this one, just not a lambo involved
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=89690517&postcount=3252
    Plenty of suggestions it was the OPs fault.


  • #45
    dantastic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 395 ✭✭dantastic


    GreeBo wrote: »
    Imagine its a kid on a bike, or chasing a ball. Is it the kids fault for running out and so tough that you just painted him all over the road?

    A kid on a bike/with a ball is not operating a motor vehicle requiring a license. Bit different don't you think?


  • #46
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,518 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    dantastic wrote: »
    A kid on a bike/with a ball is not operating a motor vehicle requiring a license. Bit different don't you think?

    How is it different? Blame is blame. You say the lambo driver is 0% at fault, are you now saying that would be different if he hit a kid on a bike?:confused:


  • #47
    Marty McFly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,222 ✭✭✭✭Marty McFly


    To all those saying its 50/50 or the Lambos fault trying going to your insurance company or courts and......


    Admitting to pulling out in front of oncoming traffic which has the right of way causing an accident were by the oncoming traffic clipped the front end of my car but it was his fault and see how you get on then report back to us.

    We all know what the outcome would be anyone saying it is the Lambos fault or even 50/50 is being ridiculous. Rules of the road are rules of the road do not pull out in front of oncoming traffic unless it is safe to do so, does that look like it was safe to do so? No.


  • #48
    dr.fuzzenstein
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,575 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    GreeBo wrote: »
    So at no point/speed do you think the lambo is at fault?
    What if he was doing 80?
    Do you believe in speed limits or "appropriate speed"?

    Would you deny that a speed whereby you cant stop before a car crawls out in front of you is inappropriate in a city centre location?

    Imagine its a kid on a bike, or chasing a ball. Is it the kids fault for running out and so tough that you just painted him all over the road?


    "heard three blocks away"

    So when you hear loud cars you dont make any turns or cross any lanes now?
    I call b0ll0cks on that one mate.

    Mazda pulled out on oncoming car, no amount of arguing will change that fact.


  • #49
    dantastic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 395 ✭✭dantastic


    GreeBo wrote: »
    How is it different? Blame is blame. You say the lambo driver is 0% at fault, are you now saying that would be different if he hit a kid on a bike?:confused:

    I expect a fellow motorist to be
    a) Familiar with the rules of the road
    b) Adhere to the rules of the road
    c) Be observant

    I expect of a kid on a bike/with a ball
    a) To run out in front of me

    Huuu-oooooooo-ge difference.


  • #50
    Caliden
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,981 ✭✭✭Caliden


    GreeBo wrote: »
    So at no point/speed do you think the lambo is at fault?
    What if he was doing 80?
    Do you believe in speed limits or "appropriate speed"?

    Would you deny that a speed whereby you cant stop before a car crawls out in front of you is inappropriate in a city centre location?

    Imagine its a kid on a bike, or chasing a ball. Is it the kids fault for running out and so tough that you just painted him all over the road?


    "heard three blocks away"

    So when you hear loud cars you dont make any turns or cross any lanes now?
    I call b0ll0cks on that one mate.

    Oh jesus....'THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!' talk about a strawman argument...


  • #51
    vibe666
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭vibe666


    if it's optional for people with fast cars to obey the speed limits in built up areas, why bother with having any speed limits at all?

    sure the mazda driver should have had a crystal ball to know that the lambo was going to come speeding down the road from behind a bus too fast to stop in front of an obstacle.

    mazda looks, sees as far as the bus and has plenty of room to pull out, possibly hears a rumbling noise in the distance but unsure where or what it is due to high buildings all around, but no oncoming traffic. starts to pull out and the lambo comes racing down the street into view and bam, accident.

    i'm not saying that the lambo should have stopped, i'm saying that if he was going so fast that he couldn't stop when someone pulled out in front of him and was going fast enough to launch himself into the air and continued on for a considerable distance even after hitting 3 other cars, then he was driving dangerously in a built up area. the fact that he was doing it on purpose because he had someone filming it makes it even worse.

    the police will come along and take the details and measurements from the accident and see that the lambo was speeding and that his speed was a factor in the accident and the severity of it. no doubt the video evidence will also be used which shows the lambo speeding as the accident happens. i'm sure the mazda will take some of the blame, but i doubt very much that he will take all of it given how fast the lambo was going.


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  • #52
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,518 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Caliden wrote: »
    Oh jesus....'THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!' talk about a strawman argument...
    dantastic wrote: »
    I expect a fellow motorist to be
    a) Familiar with the rules of the road
    b) Adhere to the rules of the road
    c) Be observant

    I expect of a kid on a bike/with a ball
    a) To run out in front of me

    Huuu-oooooooo-ge difference.

    Its not a strawman argument at all.

    The point is that the Lambo driver couldnt stop in time. He also did a little more than "clip" the front of a the car. He was airborne and took out 2 other cars. That wouldnt have happened at 30kp/h now would it?

    Likewise I'd assume that someone driving a lambo would be observant, like notice the bus obstructing his view, would know the rules of the road, like the speed limit and adhere to the rules of the road, like not speed.

    The point is, its not clear cut. If you are saying that a child pulling out would have made a difference then you are proving me own point for me.


  • #53
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,773 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    GreeBo wrote: »
    How is it different? Blame is blame. You say the lambo driver is 0% at fault, are you now saying that would be different if he hit a kid on a bike?:confused:

    Unless people are going to drive around at 3mph at all times then there is going to be a situation where it is impossible to stop if something appears in front of you.

    This car just shot out in front of the lambo, he didn't even have time to react never mind brake. If a child just appears right in front of a car then what can the car do? If he is even going 10mph you probably wont be able to stop fast enough if the child just appears in front of you.

    There is no way this will go anyway but 100% against the mazda driver. If you drive out in front of a car its 100% your fault imo regardless of speed.

    Its like claiming that if you see a car indicating into a junction and they hit you because they don't turn in that's its their fault.


  • #54
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,518 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    vibe666 wrote: »
    i'm not saying that the lambo should have stopped, i'm saying that if he was going so fast that he couldn't stop when someone pulled out in front of him and was going fast enough to launch himself into the air and continued on for a considerable distance even after hitting 3 other cars, then he was driving dangerously in a built up area.

    This.
    How anyone can say he wasnt speeding when he was fricken airborne is beyond me.


  • #55
    Marty McFly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,222 ✭✭✭✭Marty McFly


    vibe666 wrote: »
    if it's optional for people with fast cars to obey the speed limits in built up areas, why bother with having any speed limits at all?

    sure the mazda driver should have had a crystal ball to know that the lambo was going to come speeding down the road from behind a bus too fast to stop in front of an obstacle.

    mazda looks, sees as far as the bus and has plenty of room to pull out, possibly hears a rumbling noise in the distance but unsure where or what it is due to high buildings all around, but no oncoming traffic. starts to pull out and the lambo comes racing down the street into view and bam, accident.

    i'm not saying that the lambo should have stopped, i'm saying that if he was going so fast that he couldn't stop when someone pulled out in front of him and was going fast enough to launch himself into the air and continued on for a considerable distance even after hitting 3 other cars, then he was driving dangerously in a built up area. the fact that he was doing it on purpose because he had someone filming it makes it even worse.

    the police will come along and take the details and measurements from the accident and see that the lambo was speeding and that his speed was a factor in the accident and the severity of it. no doubt the video evidence will also be used which shows the lambo speeding as the accident happens. i'm sure the mazda will take some of the blame, but i doubt very much that he will take all of it given how fast the lambo was going.


    See the first and most important flaw in your argument is...

    ok well I pulled out there was a bus obscuring my view and couldn't see much but thought it was ok, judge so you despite not being able to see if the road was clear you made the assumption it was? Then progressed out into oncoming traffic?

    If the bus is obscuring your view guess what? You wait until it isn't before making leaps of faith.


  • #56
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,518 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Legend Ugly Passport wrote: »
    Unless people are going to drive around at 3mph at all times then there is going to be a situation where it is impossible to stop if something appears in front of you.

    This car just shot out in front of the lambo, he didn't even have time to react never mind brake. If a child just appears right in front of a car then what can the car do? If he is even going 10mph you probably wont be able to stop fast enough if the child just appears in front of you.

    Yeah, so they may have had a tip rather than what they did have, a Michael Bay movie scene.

    Also he didnt "just appear" he was at the junction and pulled out. I wonder where the Lambo driver was looking at the time...the camera perhaps?


  • #57
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,518 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Marty McFly wrote: »
    See the first and most important flaw in your argument is...

    ok well I pulled out there was a bus obscuring my view and couldn't see much but thought it was ok, judge so you despite not being able to see if the road was clear you made the assumption it was? Then progressed out into oncoming traffic?

    If the bus is obscuring your view guess what? You wait until it isn't before making leaps of faith.

    The bus wasnt obscuring his view, he could see far enough to pull out, assuming batman wasnt driving up the road towards him.


  • #58
    Marty McFly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,222 ✭✭✭✭Marty McFly


    GreeBo wrote: »
    The bus wasnt obscuring his view, he could see far enough to pull out, assuming batman wasnt driving up the road towards him.


    Well one person said the bus was you say it wasn't either way Mazda is in the wrong that's a fact. Rules of the road are rules of the road. Aventador had right of way Mazda shouldn't have pulled out its quite simple really.

    You can argue it all you want say what if had been a child etc the rules are the rules Mazda shouldn't have been were it was was when the accident occured.


  • #59
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,773 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    GreeBo wrote: »
    Yeah, so they may have had a tip rather than what they did have, a Michael Bay movie scene.

    Also he didnt "just appear" he was at the junction and pulled out. I wonder where the Lambo driver was looking at the time...the camera perhaps?

    The car leaving the ground is a very poor indication of his speed, the front of a Lamborghini is very light as its engine is in the rear and its also has a very different body shape to a normal car. All you need is for the two cars to meet in a certain way and it will lift it off the ground even at slow speed.

    If he was travelling very fast the crash would have been much worse. The airbags didn't even deploy in the Lamborghini.

    EDIT: Looking at the video again, the reason the Lamborghini launched was that it connected with the wheel of the mazda which was sticking out due to turning. The rotation of the wheel would have the effect of launching the Lamborghini.


  • #60
    vibe666
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭vibe666


    dantastic wrote: »
    I expect a fellow motorist to be
    a) Familiar with the rules of the road
    b) Adhere to the rules of the road
    c) Be observant
    you mean the same rules of the road which would require the lambo driver NOT to be speeding and paying due care and attention to other road users, instead of showboating for the camera?

    the excessive speed of the lambo was a contributing factor to the accident, if he hadn't been driving at excessive speed in a busy built up area with a bus obscuring his view and the view of the mazda, there is a very good chance the accident would never have happened therefore he has to take a portion of the blame.


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  • #61
    Henry Ford III
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 18,070 Mod ✭✭✭✭Henry Ford III


    Based on the video it's very difficult to even estimate the speed of the Lambo.

    Big repair bill is however assured.


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