Aventador Crash - Moment of Impact

skibum

Read about this earlier, with some photos, just seen this link..... ouch
Bit of a silly billy.....
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=aa6_1396309152

StompToWork

I assume you mean the guy who pulled out onto the street in front of the Lambo??

Moneymaker

Looked like the Lambo was going some speed though.

The Mazda driver may never have seen him/misjudged his speed and thought it was safe to pull out.

StompToWork

Yeah, bit of 6 of one, half dozen of the other all right. The other thing that strikes me is that an Aventador crashing sounds like a load of saucepans falling out of a press!!!

K.Flyer

Mazda driver was totally at fault pulling out like that.
If the Lambo was hammering it, it would not have stopped in the distance it did considering two of its wheels left the ground.
There goes someones NCB for a long time..

EDIT:

The Aftermath...

skibum

StompToWork wrote: »

I assume you mean the guy who pulled out onto the street in front of the Lambo??

Video of the lambo just before the impact:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_A133iyrsk


More on the daily mail site:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2593236/Lamborghini-Aventador-worth-300-000-speed-215mph-wrecked.html

DieselPowered

Being loaded onto the recovery truck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3whXKfulhcE

challengemaster

skibum wrote: »

Video of the lambo just before the impact:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_A133iyrsk

So he gave it welly from stand still, obviously wasn't taking the piss cos he slowed down almost straight away after changing to 2nd (listen). Also seemed to be tipping along at a normal pace in the crash video. That's the thing with a car like this, you bloody well hear when it's going fast. It wasn't.

Hardly what you'd consider racing a lambo, by any means.

skibum

challengemaster wrote: »

So he gave it welly from stand still, obviously wasn't taking the piss cos he slowed down almost straight away after changing to 2nd (listen). Also seemed to be tipping along at a normal pace in the crash video. That's the thing with a car like this, you bloody well hear when it's going fast. It wasn't.

Hardly what you'd consider racing a lambo, by any means.

Quote from a youtube reply in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfS8iz2NaLE

"I wonder how many people on here will blame the Mazda driver. The thing is, in the Mazda's defence, the reaction time would have been much, much greater for both drivers, had the Lambo not been speeding. However, the Mazda driver shouldn't have taken the cross on both sides of the road without checking his left before even making an assumption that it was safe. In a crowded city like London, a lot of people who drive rely on other drivers to give you the right of way, making you believe it's safe. Still, nothing can justify either's actions here, as they were both at fault, if not the Lambo driver mostly purely because speeding according to the British Highway code..."

"In Shmee's other video, you can hear someone saying "yeah, yeah he was driving way too fast". Right at the start. And from people I've spoke to who were at the scene at the time, this Lambo was going far too fast. You've got to think, the 0-60 mark on a Lambo is easily achieved in first gear. High acceleration in the lowest gear would tell me he was on his way to 60 without a doubt. (That's excluding putting his foot down increasing high revs) The collision with the parked cars probably saved his life, and thank god for innocent people passing by too."

stimpson

This is why we can't have nice things.

100% the mazdas fault, they are going to have one hell of a claim on their insurance after that.

Doesnt matter how fast the lambo was going its still the fault of the person who drives out in front of him. In any case he wasn't going very fast at all.

Kenny Logins

Legend Ugly Passport wrote: »

100% the mazdas fault, they are going to have one hell of a claim on their insurance after that.

Doesnt matter how fast the lambo was going its still the fault of the person who drives out in front of him. In any case he wasn't going very fast at all.

Is that the official verdict?

Kenny Logins

Kenny Logins wrote: »

Is that the official verdict?

Its my official verdict and any other verdict would be taking the p*ss.

Marty McFly

Have to say completely the Mazda's fault pulle out in front of the Lambo that's the be all and end all of it really.

The Lambo was probably going a bit to fast but not excessive speeding but the Mazda pulled out in front of oncoming traffic and with the noise the Lambo makes there is no way in hell you wouldn't hear that thing coming. Also has someone else said look how quick the Lamo stopped despite going airborne.

Guy:Incognito

Mazda pulled out in front of the Aventador, completely their fault.

Why was someone filming a Mazda pulling out of a junction anyway?

Marty McFly

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Mazda pulled out in front of the Aventador, completely their fault.

Why was someone filming a Mazda pulling out of a junction anyway?

I'd imagine they were preparing to record the Lambo drive by as you can hear the Lambo approach before impact and just happened to be at the right place right time to catch the accident on video

Supergurrier

Mazda driver was 100% at fault lambo was only maybe going 60 in a 50 at most.

vibe666

The lambo was going too fast to stop when someone pulled out in front of him. The whole point of having lower speed limits in busy city centres is that things like that tend to happen.

What if it had been a woman with a baby in a pushchair or a kid on a push bike?

if there were no visible obstructions preventing them from seeing each other, the lambo driver must have seen the Mazda sitting at the junction and slowly pulling out, so he was either going too fast to stop in time, fast enough that he didn't see the Mazda until was (literally) on top of him or figured he could make through that the Mazda would eventually stop (aka a game of chicken).

Whatever way you want to slice it, the accident wouldn't have happened if the lambo had been driving within speed limits and hadn't been speeding through city streets.

dantastic

It doesn't look like the lambo was going 'too fast'. Check the video again, the Mazda is clipping him right on the corner - it's a straight road!
Had the Mazda turned out and the lambo would have ran in to the back of it - yea. But it didn't.
Driving that main road you would expect the other driver not to drive out in front of you so there would be no reason to brake either, the mazda was just inching out.

People just can't get over the fact that the lambo looks like it's going 100 when it's parked up.

Marty McFly

vibe666 wrote: »

The lambo was going too fast to stop when someone pulled out in front of him. The whole point of having lower speed limits in busy city centres is that things like that tend to happen.

What if it had been a woman with a baby in a pushchair or a kid on a push bike?

if there were no visible obstructions preventing them from seeing each other, the lambo driver must have seen the Mazda sitting at the junction and slowly pulling out, so he was either going too fast to stop in time, fast enough that he didn't see the Mazda until was (literally) on top of him or figured he could make through that the Mazda would eventually stop (aka a game of chicken).

Whatever way you want to slice it, the accident wouldn't have happened if the lambo had been driving within speed limits and hadn't been speeding through city streets.

Whatever way you try slice it , the Mazda pulled out in front of oncoming traffic causing the accident the Lambo had right of way.

heroics

Completely the Mazdas fault. Pulled right out in front of the lambo. Cant understand how anybody can think differently. Even if the lambo had been doing 100mph the mazda still drove straight out in front of it. If you cant judge the speed of oncoming traffic you shouldn't be driving.

L-M

Marty McFly wrote: »

Whatever way you try slice it , the Mazda pulled out in front of oncoming traffic causing the accident the Lambo had right of way.

Absolutely, to say anything otherwise is nonsense IMO.

K.Flyer

Marty McFly wrote: »

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Also has someone else said look how quick the Lamo stopped despite going airborne.

I said it my earlier post.
If you slow the video down enough you can see the two front wheels leave the ground on impact then the two right hand side wheels leave the ground.
If the wheels are off the ground it means a lot less braking power.
If he had been travelling as fast as some have implied, there most likely would have been far more damage done to both cars.

Caliden

I think people's opinion on the lambo's speed is skewed because of the sound. It may as well have no exhaust with the noise it makes.
Careless driving by the Mazda.

Watch the video without sound and cast judgement then. As someone already said, if the lambo was going >30mph (limit around town) then it would have taken much much longer for it to come to a stop.

Kenny Logins

I'm not so sure it was completely the Mazda at fault. I think they each gambled on the other stopping, but both lost. I'm sure if it was a pedestrian that stepped out the Aventador would have dropped the anchor. I don't think it's unusual in a large city for cars to pull out of side-streets like that, and you have to be prepared for it. I see this as a 50/50.

BTW, if that Lambo was RHD this wouldn't have happened at all. :pac:

Stallingrad

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Why was someone filming a Mazda pulling out of a junction anyway?

Mazdas are pretty rare in that part of London.

djimi

Kenny Logins wrote: »

I'm not so sure it was completely the Mazda at fault. I think they each gambled on the other stopping, but both lost. I'm sure if it was a pedestrian that stepped out the Aventador would have dropped the anchor. I don't think it's unusual in a large city for cars to pull out of side-streets like that, and you have to be prepared for it. I see this as a 50/50.

BTW, if that Lambo was RHD this wouldn't have happened at all. :pac:

Lambo on main road, Mazda pulling out of side road into its path. I really dont see how this would be 50/50?

Caliden

Kenny Logins wrote: »

I'm not so sure it was completely the Mazda at fault. I think they each gambled on the other stopping, but both lost. I'm sure if it was a pedestrian that stepped out the Aventador would have dropped the anchor. I don't think it's unusual in a large city for cars to pull out of side-streets like that, and you have to be prepared for it. I see this as a 50/50.

BTW, if that Lambo was RHD this wouldn't have happened at all. :pac:

Be prepared for people to not yield and pull out onto a main road in front of moving traffic?!...

Oh......first of April....got ya!

corktina

The Mazda was well out of the side turn before impact. The Aventador was driving far too fast

corktina

Supergurrier wrote: »

Mazda driver was 100% at fault lambo was only maybe going 60 in a 50 at most.

60 in a 50 and the other guy 100% to blame? I don't think so.... (you mean 40 in a 30 anyway)

PrettyBoy

Mazda driver is at fault, Lambo doesn't appear to be speeding in the video anyway.

It's very like this crash, Aventador driving straight ahead when a car just pulls out in front of it's path.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6plhU5ucoM

PrettyBoy

Guy filming is a moron, instead of going to see if either of the occupants are OK he just walks around slowly filming both of the cars

corktina

corktina wrote: »

The Mazda was well out of the side turn before impact. The Aventador was driving far too fast

Honestly, I think anyone blaming the Aventador is trolling.

It is 100% the Mazdas fault, he pulled in front of him. You cant stop instantly unless you are absolutely crawling along, there was no way the lambo could stop from a reasonable speed in the tiny amount of time he had.

It doesn't even matter in my opinion what speed he was going once it wasn't crazy altogether as if you pull in front of a car then its your fault plain and simple. Look how fast he stopped after the crash he was most likely at or very close to the speed limit.

Guy:Incognito

Kenny Logins wrote: »

I'm not so sure it was completely the Mazda at fault. I think they each gambled on the other stopping, but both lost.

The guy with the right of way wasn't gambling at all. He had right of way.

Caliden

Legend Ugly Passport wrote: »

Honestly, I think anyone blaming the Aventador is trolling.

It's the high horse brigade out in force. They scour the Dash cam thread in the hope of finding issue with every video posted and water at the mouth when someone posts a thread about being caught speeding.

Best thing to do is add them to your ignore list so the tripe they post is filtered out.

corktina

I didn't say the Lambo driver was to blame...I said he was driving too fast. Look how far he went past the point of impact. Assuming he saw the guy pulling out, he would have slowed a fair bit before he appeared in shot.

There's no excuse for accusing someone of trolling for offering an opinion.

dantastic

I have watched that video over and over. The lambo was not going that fast. He pretty much rolled to a stop.

Of course he saw the Mazda pull out. But expected it to stop before pulling out.

It's a bit the same as watching someone announce they are going to drink bleach - you're not going to try to stop them because you're just so sure they won't actually do it.

vibe666

here we go.



bus going the opposite way obscuring the view further down the road where the lambo was coming from, BUT the mazda would have been able to see far enough down the street to the point where the bus was to assume that it would be safe to pull out if there wasn't someone coming speeding the other way in a low profile matte black stealth bomber.

there is no doubt that the lambo was speeding, but as usual, the 2fast2furious crowd here are jumping to the defence of someone making a point (and making a video) of themselves speeding through city streets, ignoring the traffic laws designed to stop this sort of thing happening.

of course though, there are plenty of people here who seem to think that the traffic laws are only optional if you've got a fast car and they only apply to everyone else and not them.

the lambo was definitely speeding as he took off when he hit the mazda and didn't come to a stop until a full street away after hitting 2 other cars.

GreeBo

How can people be sure he wasnt speeding?
Whats the limit on that stretch of road? 30, 40?
He was certainly going faster than that.

Its 50:50. You can't unilaterally blame the driver pulling out if the other car is hammering it (not saying he was in this case but the point stands) Otherwise no one would ever pull out of a junction.

Also, the reason he stopped so quickly is that he hit 3 bloody cars and his is made of tinfoil.

dr.fuzzenstein

vibe666 wrote: »

The lambo was going too fast to stop when someone pulled out in front of him. The whole point of having lower speed limits in busy city centres is that things like that tend to happen.

What if it had been a woman with a baby in a pushchair or a kid on a push bike?

if there were no visible obstructions preventing them from seeing each other, the lambo driver must have seen the Mazda sitting at the junction and slowly pulling out, so he was either going too fast to stop in time, fast enough that he didn't see the Mazda until was (literally) on top of him or figured he could make through that the Mazda would eventually stop (aka a game of chicken).

Whatever way you want to slice it, the accident wouldn't have happened if the lambo had been driving within speed limits and hadn't been speeding through city streets.

The whole point of having rules of the road is to regulate behaviour and define who is at fault in a crash.
The rules state right of way and by those rules, if you pull out from a side street right into the path of an oncoming car and cause a crash, you are at fault.
The rules do not state "ah shure, when I pull out the other guy should see me coming and do an emergency brake, while I continue oblivious" or even "jaysus, he was going awful fasht, you should of heard de noise from dat car, sure he must be at fault"
A lot of people want to blame the Lambo based on those two arguments.

Argument "He should have seen me pull out":
B*llocks. He should have watched out for traffic on the road that has priority over him. It's his job to watch out for traffic and pull out when safe. Especially if said traffic can be heard three blocks away.

Argument "Ah shure, he was going awful fasht, bejaysus, you could hear him a mile away!"
So decibel is the new measurement of speed now? Is that official? Strange, I must have missed that meeting.

Blaming the Lambo is just begrudgery. And it's more like the traffic laws where optional to the driver of whatever bland Eurobox I have forgotten already.

GreeBo

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

The whole point of having rules of the road is to regulate behaviour and define who is at fault in a crash.
The rules state right of way and by those rules, if you pull out from a side street right into the path of an oncoming car and cause a crash, you are at fault.

Everysingle time you pull out in the city you are pulling out in front of someone, the difference is the speed the other car is travelling; hence we have very low speed limits in these areas.

dr.fuzzenstein

GreeBo wrote: »

Everysingle time you pull out in the city you are pulling out in front of someone, the difference is the speed the other car is travelling; hence we have very low speed limits in these areas.

That's fine then, from now on I'll just pull out in front of people around cities and then say "He should of seen me pulling out!".
Try that in court and the next line will be "You're at fault for pulling out, guilty, next!"

The Mazda pulled out, he's at fault and:

Argument "He should have seen me pull out":
B*llocks. He should have watched out for traffic on the road that has priority over him. It's his job to watch out for traffic and pull out when safe. Especially if said traffic can be heard three blocks away.

Argument "Ah shure, he was going awful fasht, bejaysus, you could hear him a mile away!"
So decibel is the new measurement of speed now? Is that official? Strange, I must have missed that meeting.

I'll keep quoting this to any counter argument, because there isn't one. Somebody even mentioned the paint job on the Lambo. Getting a bit desperate are we?

GreeBo

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

That's fine then, from now on I'll just pull out in front of people around cities and then say "He should of seen me pulling out!".
Try that in court and the next line will be "You're at fault for pulling out, guilty, next!"

The Mazda pulled out, he's at fault and:

So at no point/speed do you think the lambo is at fault?
What if he was doing 80?
Do you believe in speed limits or "appropriate speed"?

Would you deny that a speed whereby you cant stop before a car crawls out in front of you is inappropriate in a city centre location?

Imagine its a kid on a bike, or chasing a ball. Is it the kids fault for running out and so tough that you just painted him all over the road?


"heard three blocks away"

So when you hear loud cars you dont make any turns or cross any lanes now?
I call b0ll0cks on that one mate.

dantastic

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

That's fine then, from now on I'll just pull out in front of people around cities and then say "He should of seen me pulling out!".
Try that in court and the next line will be "You're at fault for pulling out, guilty, next!"

I think that's the generally held belief tho. If someone pulls out in front of you, no matter what. Aaaaah you were going a bit fasht.

It's the same as this one, just not a lambo involved
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=89690517&postcount=3252
Plenty of suggestions it was the OPs fault.

dantastic

GreeBo wrote: »

Imagine its a kid on a bike, or chasing a ball. Is it the kids fault for running out and so tough that you just painted him all over the road?

A kid on a bike/with a ball is not operating a motor vehicle requiring a license. Bit different don't you think?

GreeBo

dantastic wrote: »

A kid on a bike/with a ball is not operating a motor vehicle requiring a license. Bit different don't you think?

How is it different? Blame is blame. You say the lambo driver is 0% at fault, are you now saying that would be different if he hit a kid on a bike?

Marty McFly

To all those saying its 50/50 or the Lambos fault trying going to your insurance company or courts and......


Admitting to pulling out in front of oncoming traffic which has the right of way causing an accident were by the oncoming traffic clipped the front end of my car but it was his fault and see how you get on then report back to us.

We all know what the outcome would be anyone saying it is the Lambos fault or even 50/50 is being ridiculous. Rules of the road are rules of the road do not pull out in front of oncoming traffic unless it is safe to do so, does that look like it was safe to do so? No.

dr.fuzzenstein

GreeBo wrote: »

So at no point/speed do you think the lambo is at fault?
What if he was doing 80?
Do you believe in speed limits or "appropriate speed"?

Would you deny that a speed whereby you cant stop before a car crawls out in front of you is inappropriate in a city centre location?

Imagine its a kid on a bike, or chasing a ball. Is it the kids fault for running out and so tough that you just painted him all over the road?


"heard three blocks away"

So when you hear loud cars you dont make any turns or cross any lanes now?
I call b0ll0cks on that one mate.

Mazda pulled out on oncoming car, no amount of arguing will change that fact.

dantastic

GreeBo wrote: »

How is it different? Blame is blame. You say the lambo driver is 0% at fault, are you now saying that would be different if he hit a kid on a bike?

I expect a fellow motorist to be
a) Familiar with the rules of the road
b) Adhere to the rules of the road
c) Be observant

I expect of a kid on a bike/with a ball
a) To run out in front of me

Huuu-oooooooo-ge difference.

Caliden

GreeBo wrote: »

So at no point/speed do you think the lambo is at fault?
What if he was doing 80?
Do you believe in speed limits or "appropriate speed"?

Would you deny that a speed whereby you cant stop before a car crawls out in front of you is inappropriate in a city centre location?

Imagine its a kid on a bike, or chasing a ball. Is it the kids fault for running out and so tough that you just painted him all over the road?


"heard three blocks away"

So when you hear loud cars you dont make any turns or cross any lanes now?
I call b0ll0cks on that one mate.

Oh jesus....'THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!' talk about a strawman argument...

vibe666

if it's optional for people with fast cars to obey the speed limits in built up areas, why bother with having any speed limits at all?

sure the mazda driver should have had a crystal ball to know that the lambo was going to come speeding down the road from behind a bus too fast to stop in front of an obstacle.

mazda looks, sees as far as the bus and has plenty of room to pull out, possibly hears a rumbling noise in the distance but unsure where or what it is due to high buildings all around, but no oncoming traffic. starts to pull out and the lambo comes racing down the street into view and bam, accident.

i'm not saying that the lambo should have stopped, i'm saying that if he was going so fast that he couldn't stop when someone pulled out in front of him and was going fast enough to launch himself into the air and continued on for a considerable distance even after hitting 3 other cars, then he was driving dangerously in a built up area. the fact that he was doing it on purpose because he had someone filming it makes it even worse.

the police will come along and take the details and measurements from the accident and see that the lambo was speeding and that his speed was a factor in the accident and the severity of it. no doubt the video evidence will also be used which shows the lambo speeding as the accident happens. i'm sure the mazda will take some of the blame, but i doubt very much that he will take all of it given how fast the lambo was going.