Fury v Chisora II

Andrew Flexing · 20-03-2014 07:01PM #1

Anyone interested in this one??

I think it could be interesting, Chisora has improved a lot since the last time they met.

Predicitons anyone? I am going to go for Fury on points

AdolfHipster · 20-03-2014 09:07PM

Interesting fight in terms of the two of them but does nothing for the division at all. Fury by UD also

FTA69 · 20-03-2014 10:46PM

pac_man wrote: »

Just seen his press conference there were he flipped the table. Talk about staged!

He's so ridiculous you just have to love him.

HigginsJ · 20-03-2014 11:00PM

A good fight for the two guys as they will both look competitive & can then claim to deserve a shot at Klitscho. It's a fight I won't have much interest in.

Chisora is clearly not a world level fighter & I suspect neither is Fury. With the fights coming up for the WBC strap Chisora-Fury is an afterthought.

Fury really irritates me but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt to get a narrow decision over Chisora.

Andrew Flexing · 20-03-2014 11:53PM

flipped a table at a press conference..??? Ill check if its on YT.

I'd much rather see somwthing like Joshua v Fury or Wilder v Shannon Briggs than this rematch.

walshb · 21-03-2014 11:48AM

Chisora is crap. I expect a focused and committed Fury to hammer him, if he can't, forget it!

FTA69 · 21-03-2014 11:55AM

Andrew Flexing wrote: »

flipped a table at a press conference..??? Ill check if its on YT.

I'd much rather see somwthing like Joshua v Fury or Wilder v Shannon Briggs than this rematch.

Fury would smash Joshua to pieces inside four rounds. The man is at the rawest stage possible for a heavyweight boxer and has only fought cans. I wish people would give him a chance to grow rather than hyping him up to ridiculous levels.

rebelomar · 21-03-2014 02:21PM

HigginsJ wrote: »

A good fight for the two guys as they will both look competitive & can then claim to deserve a shot at Klitscho. It's a fight I won't have much interest in.

Chisora is clearly not a world level fighter & I suspect neither is Fury. With the fights coming up for the WBC strap Chisora-Fury is an afterthought.

Fury really irritates me but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt to get a narrow decision over Chisora.

Yeah but what is currently world level in the HW division outside Wlad?

Povekin was dire, Haye was poor also vs Wlad. Chisora and Fury aren't maybe world class in previous eras but today are top 10 IMO

I think it's a pretty decent HW fight in 2014's standards

walshb · 21-03-2014 03:09PM

rebelomar wrote: »

Yeah but what is currently world level in the HW division outside Wlad?

Povekin was dire, Haye was poor also vs Wlad. Chisora and Fury aren't maybe world class in previous eras but today are top 10 IMO

I think it's a pretty decent HW fight in 2014's standards

Forgetting eras and standards, Chisora is dirt. An out and out plodder.

boxer.fan · 21-03-2014 04:03PM

walshb wrote: »

Forgetting eras and standards, Chisora is dirt. An out and out plodder.

Agree with this. A spoofer at heavyweight. Don't mean to make light of his achievements but hes not even a gatekeeper. I can't see him landing too much on Fury. Fury to get the stoppage 5 or 6 rounds in.

megadodge · 21-03-2014 07:27PM

boxer.fan wrote: »

Agree with this. A spoofer at heavyweight. Don't mean to make light of his achievements but hes not even a gatekeeper. I can't see him landing too much on Fury. Fury to get the stoppage 5 or 6 rounds in.

I would be surprised to see Fury stop him. Very surprised. I'll be putting money against that happening.

megadodge · 21-03-2014 07:28PM

walshb wrote: »

Forgetting eras and standards, Chisora is dirt. An out and out plodder.

If he's so bad, how come he gave Vitali such a tough fight? Was never remotely in trouble there.

megadodge · 21-03-2014 07:32PM

FTA69 wrote: »

Fury would smash Joshua to pieces inside four rounds. The man is at the rawest stage possible for a heavyweight boxer and has only fought cans. I wish people would give him a chance to grow rather than hyping him up to ridiculous levels.

He absolutely would NOT. If they were to fight right now the only early finish that is likely to happen would be Fury getting KO'd. Once it goes past the first 4-5 rounds then Fury would have to be favoured, purely on the stamina and experience factors, but he has less skill and less power and a far from stellar chin, so I really can't see how you could reach that conclusion.

walshb · 21-03-2014 09:33PM

megadodge wrote: »

If he's so bad, how come he gave Vitali such a tough fight? Was never remotely in trouble there.

Are you for real? Vitali won every rd. He boxed the head off the plodder. Got tired hitting him. Wasn't remotely close, or tough.

gene_tunney · 21-03-2014 09:42PM

walshb wrote: »

Are you for real? Vitali won every rd. He boxed the head off the plodder. Got tired hitting him. Wasn't remotely close, or tough.

Disagree. Vitali was under pressure at times and lost a few rounds on my card if I remember correctly.

walshb · 21-03-2014 09:43PM

gene_tunney wrote: »

Disagree. Vitali was under pressure at times and lost a few rounds on my card if I remember correctly.

I must watch it again. He may have given a way a few rds with taking a break, but when he committed he was streets ahead. It wasn't at all competitive when he opened up. Anyway, that was an old and past it Vitali. The scores were 10-2 x 2 and 11-1 in rds.

gene_tunney · 21-03-2014 09:45PM

walshb wrote: »

O must watch it again. He may have given a way a few rds with taking a break, but when he committed he was streets ahead. It wasn't at all competitive when he opened up. Anyway, that was an old and past it Vitali.

I'm not sure as my memory may deceive me, but I thought I scored it 8-4 Vitali

Littlehorny · 21-03-2014 11:20PM

Didn't Vitali injure his left arm in the Chisora fight? He had no jab for a good while and beat Chisora with mostly his right.

HigginsJ · 21-03-2014 11:44PM

rebelomar wrote: »

Yeah but what is currently world level in the HW division outside Wlad?

Povekin was dire, Haye was poor also vs Wlad. Chisora and Fury aren't maybe world class in previous eras but today are top 10 IMO

I think it's a pretty decent HW fight in 2014's standards

Haye was (& will be once he returns) streets ahead of Fury & Chisora.

I agree they are top 10 ( just about) but I think it just shows the sad state of the HW division.

Apart from the obvious guys like Wilder, Perez, (& yes Joshua) who could brighten the HW division in the next couple of years.

FTA69 · 22-03-2014 10:18AM

megadodge wrote: »

He absolutely would NOT. If they were to fight right now the only early finish that is likely to happen would be Fury getting KO'd. Once it goes past the first 4-5 rounds then Fury would have to be favoured, purely on the stamina and experience factors, but he has less skill and less power and a far from stellar chin, so I really can't see how you could reach that conclusion.

Joshua isn't even ranked in the top 30 for God's sake. He has had 5 fights, all of them against tomato cans, complete nobodies. The last fella was a cruiserweight who didn't even throw a punch. So on what are we basing the fact that Joshua deserves to be put up there with people who have fought actual and proven heavyweights?

I have no doubt that he has the makings of a good pro, but he is nowhere near that level yet and if you stuck him in against anyone in the top 10 he'd be flattened.

walshb · 22-03-2014 03:17PM

FTA69 wrote: »

Joshua isn't even ranked in the top 30 for God's sake. He has had 5 fights, all of them against tomato cans, complete nobodies. The last fella was a cruiserweight who didn't even throw a punch. So on what are we basing the fact that Joshua deserves to be put up there with people who have fought actual and proven heavyweights?

I have no doubt that he has the makings of a good pro, but he is nowhere near that level yet and if you stuck him in against anyone in the top 10 he'd be flattened.

Fury is far from proven. Joshua has had many many amateur bouts as well. It stands for something. He is a big and ripped and skilled boxer. Just because he's only been a pro for 5-6 fights doesn't mean that the likes of Fury steam roll him. God forbid if Joshua lands a clean shot on Fury? Is that not possible? Tomas Adamek is ranked ring 9? You saying Joshua has little chance against a man who is a CW?

FTA69 · 22-03-2014 03:31PM

walshb wrote: »

Fury is far from proven. Joshua has had many many amateur bouts as well. It stands for something. He is a big and ripped and skilled boxer. Just because he's only been a pro for 5-6 fights doesn't mean that the likes of Fury steam roll him. God forbid if Joshua lands a clean shot on Fury? Is that not possible? Tomas Adamek is ranked ring 9? You saying Joshua has little chance against a man who is a CW?

Fury is far from the finished article but he has beaten legitimate contenders and a former cruiser weight champion. Joshua has fought nobody and his skillset still leaves a huge amount of work. Amateur boxing and pro boxing are two different things. Audrey Harrison had a super heavy gold medal too. Mark Breland was a gold medalist, Lomachenko is one of the best amateurs of his generation and he came up short recently too. Joshua has done nothing of note yet and people are hyping up to ridiculous proportions.

walshb · 22-03-2014 03:42PM

FTA69 wrote: »

Fury is far from the finished article but he has beaten legitimate contenders and a former cruiser weight champion. Joshua has fought nobody and his skillset still leaves a huge amount of work. Amateur boxing and pro boxing are two different things. Audrey Harrison had a super heavy gold medal too. Mark Breland was a gold medalist, Lomachenko is one of the best amateurs of his generation and he came up short recently too. Joshua has done nothing of note yet and people are hyping up to ridiculous proportions.

But he's a big HW with a punch and skill. It's not that crazy to think that he could beat Fury or some others even at this stage.

BTW, Breland made it to the top. If you are saying Joshua gets flattened then you are implying that his chin won't be up to it when it's tagged? Does this not imply that no matter how much he goes on he will always get flattened? I don't think experience will put much resistance on his chin. It may make him cuter and more rugged, but can he take the clean shots?

Really, there's probably only one way he loses now to these guys, and that's getting knocked out. Sure, he could loses on points, but you aren't saying this. You think he gets flattened.

Do you think an improved skill-set means that in future fights his chin won't get tested? That he won't get flattened? It can happen now, tomorrow or in years to come.

walshb · 22-03-2014 03:48PM

FTA69 wrote: »

Lomachenko is one of the best amateurs of his generation and he came up short recently too. Joshua has done nothing of note yet and people are hyping up to ridiculous proportions.

Lomachenko almost won. He was not close to getting flattened. Different scenario to what you are saying as regards Joshua.

megadodge · 22-03-2014 10:59PM

walshb wrote: »

Are you for real? Vitali won every rd. He boxed the head off the plodder. Got tired hitting him. Wasn't remotely close, or tough.

Chisora certainly did have his moments and made Vitali look very ordinary at times. Vitali certainly won, but he was made work all the way. Not bad for a piece of "dirt".

megadodge · 22-03-2014 11:09PM

FTA69 wrote: »

Joshua isn't even ranked in the top 30 for God's sake. He has had 5 fights, all of them against tomato cans, complete nobodies. The last fella was a cruiserweight who didn't even throw a punch. So on what are we basing the fact that Joshua deserves to be put up there with people who have fought actual and proven heavyweights?

I have no doubt that he has the makings of a good pro, but he is nowhere near that level yet and if you stuck him in against anyone in the top 10 he'd be flattened.

You're missing the point completely. If Joshua fought Fury right now, his best chance of winning would be early. He hits very hard, has very good fundamentals and Fury doesn't have a great chin. On the other hand, Fury would be looking at taking it past the early rounds when Joshua would be at his most dangerous. I suspect Fury would just jab and move for 5-6 rounds, then start opening up when/if Joshua starts tiring. In other words the chances of him even trying to "blast Joshua out of it in under 4 rounds" and giving his opponent his best chance of victory are unlikely.

Although, Fury is mad enough to try it.

barney4001 · 23-03-2014 09:18AM

Odlandier Solis
Tony Thompson

be good to see how Fury might fare against these two ,doubt if it ever happen though

boxer.fan · 23-03-2014 11:29AM

pac_man wrote: »

I'm surprised that Fury is held in such high regard on this forum. He's very erratic and then only time i was ever impressed was his performance against Martin Rogan.

IMO Fury deserves to be in that position. He has the height, reach & power to be a menace to everyone in the division. More importantly he appears to have decent recovery ability when caught cold. If Price had any durability in his chin he would be held in the same regard.

walshb · 23-03-2014 01:03PM

megadodge wrote: »

Chisora certainly did have his moments and made Vitali look very ordinary at times. Vitali certainly won, but he was made work all the way. Not bad for a piece of "dirt".

What moments? The ones where Vitali was resting and easing off? Chisora is at best a decent plodder.

megadodge · 23-03-2014 08:03PM

walshb wrote: »

What moments? The ones where Vitali was resting and easing off? Chisora is at best a decent plodder.

So you think going 12 rounds with a world champion of Vitali Klitchko's ability (who has been championed on this very forum as the best ever by some - not me) is nothing?

In 47 fights only 4 men have gone the distance with Vitali. Chisora is one. I think that makes him more than a decent plodder.

walshb · 23-03-2014 08:48PM

megadodge wrote: »

So you think going 12 rounds with a world champion of Vitali Klitchko's ability (who has been championed on this very forum as the best ever by some - not me) is nothing?

In 47 fights only 4 men have gone the distance with Vitali. Chisora is one. I think that makes him more than a decent plodder.

Ok, so now it's gone from giving Vitali a very tough fight to going the distance with him? He went the distance with a man who is past his best, yet still enough in him to win very comfortably. He dominated Chisora. You seem to think that Chisora gave him a tough fight, "he gave Vitali such a tough fight." He did not.

No matter what way I look at Chisora to me he's not all that impressive.

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