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20 Mar LIDL - Car Oil Suction Pump. €18

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,714 ✭✭✭Ryaner


    May sound obvious, but the usefulness of the pump is determined by its sucking power. I had a cheapish pump like this previous and after 30 minutes it had barely removed half a litre from the car.
    I now have a Pela 6000 which is a unit that contains the oil. Takes about 15 minutes to drain the car, but very little oil gets left in the sump at the end. Small enough amount that I didn't need a bucket under when removing the drain plug.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,098 ✭✭✭Johnny_Fontane


    could I use this to suck the petrol out of my mates car?

    he keeps stealing my f**king car space


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,104 ✭✭✭iPhone.


    could I use this to suck the petrol out of my mates car?

    he keeps stealing my f**king car space

    Errm.... Wouldn't that make matters even worse if he can't start his car to move out of your space? :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭deegs


    Thing is most sump plugs are magnetic so you can see any evidence of internal damage to the engine e.g. bits of metal shearing against each other. Not only will you not see this, all the crap (be it shards of sheared metal or varnish gunk type stuff) will remain on the bottom of you engine. When you put the new engine oil in you will just be mixing it with the crap and sending it all around the engine again....

    Sounds obvious... but there is a reason the sump plug is on the bottom of your car... I wouldnt use one of these, nor would I buy a car from someone who admitted using one of these... I trust 1)garage 2) person who knows what they are doing..... 876) someone who sucks used oil out of the top of a car!

    YMMV


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 810 ✭✭✭Inbox


    deegs wrote: »
    Thing is most sump plugs are magnetic so you can see any evidence of internal damage to the engine e.g. bits of metal shearing against each other. Not only will you not see this, all the crap (be it shards of sheared metal or varnish gunk type stuff) will remain on the bottom of you engine. When you put the new engine oil in you will just be mixing it with the crap and sending it all around the engine again....

    Sounds obvious... but there is a reason the sump plug is on the bottom of your car... I wouldnt use one of these, nor would I buy a car from someone who admitted using one of these... I trust 1)garage 2) person who knows what they are doing..... 876) someone who sucks used oil out of the top of a car!

    YMMV

    Have you ever heard of an oil filter?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,237 ✭✭✭✭2smiggy


    I agree about the sump plug, it's there to remove the **** that builds at the bottom , no point filling new oil in on top of remaining dirt/slit. defeats the purpose of an oil change


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,382 ✭✭✭firestarter51


    i have tried a suction pump on a mercedes and it got every drop, tried it on a peugeot 308 and it left half a litre behind


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,392 ✭✭✭Tefral


    I have to say i dont agree with these, no matter what your gonna have **** rolling around on the bottom of the sump and its gonna be the heavy carbed up oil that you should be really removing


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,056 ✭✭✭Pique


    deegs wrote: »
    Sounds obvious... but there is a reason the sump plug is on the bottom of your car... I wouldnt use one of these, nor would I buy a car from someone who admitted using one of these... I trust 1)garage 2) person who knows what they are doing..... 876) someone who sucks used oil out of the top of a car!

    YMMV

    I would say 90% of dealers and slightly less independent mechanics use one of these. They're quick, simple, clean and tidy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,936 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    A lot of people don't want to go under their car to drain the oil. The elderly, women, the incapacitated


    Do you think the elderly, women and the incapacitated will now be changing the oil on their cars because of this? :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭deegs


    Inbox wrote: »
    Have you ever heard of an oil filter?

    Don't be soft... why do you think they change both oil filter and the oil...
    The oil filter does its job but it doesnt get everything...

    Think this amazon review sums it up well (and he gave it 4/5)
    Amazon Verified Purchase
    I always chaged my oil the old fashioned way, car up in ramps and drain from the bottom. After buying a golf diesel and realising that the oil filter was on top of the engine, it was a no brainer to buy one of these and save the hassle of crawling under the car to get the job done.

    The pump works perfectly but a couple of things to point out. Make sure that before the initial use, the tube that goes into the sump has been straightened out. I neglected to do this and ended up not draining the oil completely. The other thing I have noticed is that in comparison to the oil change on my old petrol car, the new oil looks blacker when I check with dipstick. I'm not sure the reason for this as I made sure that I drained as much as I possibly could second time using this. The oil is clean, just much darker.

    I have read that this is no harm so will continue to use. I will however have it changed the old way by my mechanic intermittently just to be sure :o)

    David

    So David noticed that when changing oil with the pump it was darker than normally. This is due to the crap on the bottom of the sump David didn't get.
    He then says he will still take it to his mechanic... sheesh!
    Pique wrote: »
    I would say 90% of dealers and slightly less independent mechanics use one of these. They're quick, simple, clean and tidy.
    Any facts to back that up with? Maybe your dealers are not of a 'suitable' standard?
    Certainly any garage I've ever used have pits where access is no difficulty.
    For sure, the mechanics there would rather pop the sump and have the car empty at its own pace, than sit there with a pump sucking everything out...

    As I said, YMMV

    Edit: the reason you see good review on the product is they are reviewing "ease of use" and for that they are giving it the thumbs up.
    The damage done to a car wont be seen for 10's of 1000's of miles... when David is wondering why his 5 year old golf needs new engine.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,638 ✭✭✭moodrater


    For those that like to keep their cars and service 2-3 times more frequently than the manufacturers recommendation these make sense. Lots of new vehicles have stupidly long oil change intervals - the manufacturer doesn't want your engine to last forever. My van is supposedly 40kkm and has a collossal longlife 2 stage filter. As I like to keep my vehicles for at least 300+kkm I change the oil every 12-14kkm while the oil is still in good condition, vacuum oil every second change.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭pippip


    deegs wrote: »

    Any facts to back that up with? Maybe your dealers are not of a 'suitable' standard?
    Certainly any garage I've ever used have pits where access is no difficulty.
    For sure, the mechanics there would rather pop the sump and have the car empty at its own pace, than sit there with a pump sucking everything out...

    Just cause they have pits doesn't mean they use them for draining oil.

    Advance Pitstop use them along with all the other tyre places as they need the ramps for tyre and exhaust jobs.

    Very common in all types of garages, many cars need undertrays etc removed which are just a pain


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,788 ✭✭✭Vikings


    deegs wrote: »
    The damage done to a car wont be seen for 10's of 1000's of miles... when David is wondering why his 5 year old golf needs new engine.

    If the pump removed 80-90% of the oil from your engine and you changed the filter and put 80-90% new fresh oil back in, do you really think the small amount of old oil left in the engine is going to cause damage?

    Bearing in mind if you changed the oil regularly this way and only removed 80-90% of the old oil each time, I can't see there being any problems.

    With that said, I'll still stick to the old fashioned way because I can't imagine a pump costing less than €20 will last long enough to get more than a few uses out of it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,098 ✭✭✭Johnny_Fontane


    speaking of oil changes, can anyone recommend a (near D3) garage for an oil change (using good oil?)

    a bit OT i know.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭ldxo15wus6fpgm


    Vikings wrote: »
    If the pump removed 80-90% of the oil from your engine and you changed the filter and put 80-90% new fresh oil back in, do you really think the small amount of old oil left in the engine is going to cause damage?

    Bearing in mind if you changed the oil regularly this way and only removed 80-90% of the old oil each time, I can't see there being any problems.

    With that said, I'll still stick to the old fashioned way because I can't imagine a pump costing less than €20 will last long enough to get more than a few uses out of it.

    Possibly.
    You could end up with a build up of really nasty oil at the bottom of the sump. Plus bear in mind that you're not only changing the oil because it's full of carbon, it also breaks down and thins out considerably from use. Not good to have too thin oil in the sump, especially if you push your car hard.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,056 ✭✭✭Pique


    Some cars don't have sump plugs nowadays.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,638 ✭✭✭moodrater


    Vikings wrote: »
    I can't imagine a pump costing less than €20 will last long enough to get more than a few uses out of it.

    Conrad electronics have been selling them for years on amazon as mannesmann pump, (lidl ones is slighty different moulding but if you look at the inset pictures its the same as the mannesmann) now selling on their own site, don't forget the 3 year lidl warranty. I've loaned mine out and the only people that complained about it haven't heated up the oil so its too viscous or the end pickup hose is against the bottom/side of the sump and blocked.:rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,638 ✭✭✭moodrater


    Possibly.
    You could end up with a build up of really nasty oil at the bottom of the sump. Plus bear in mind that you're not only changing the oil because it's full of carbon, it also breaks down and thins out considerably from use. Not good to have too thin oil in the sump, especially if you push your car hard.

    You'll never get all the oil out of an engine and theres only few percent of a difference between vacuum and draining once you orient the pickup tube correctly. If you have sludge it will stay in the sump with the plug removed too unless you use an engine flush solvent to try to dissolve it or drop the sump and clean it. With the vacuum pump you'll find out about sludge quick enough as it will block the tiny uptake tube and nothing will comeout.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,883 ✭✭✭pa990


    might be a bit awkward to use on a bmw or merc, with the battery being in the boot


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,734 ✭✭✭zarquon


    pa990 wrote: »
    might be a bit awkward to use on a bmw or merc, with the battery being in the boot

    There will be jump terminals in the engine bay connected to the battery so that is a moot point.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭T-Maxx


    deegs wrote: »
    So David noticed that when changing oil with the pump it was darker than normally. This is due to the crap on the bottom of the sump David didn't get.

    I'd say it's more to do with the fact that he went from petrol to diesel.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭deegs


    T-Maxx wrote: »
    I'd say it's more to do with the fact that he went from petrol to diesel.
    Not really, if your fuel is mixing with your oil in the main engine you are in trouble.
    Otherwise bearings and their oil should be similar enough.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 660 ✭✭✭Scrappy600


    pa990 wrote: »
    might be a bit awkward to use on a bmw or merc, with the battery being in the boot

    and dont you know aswell, some fool is gonna use it to drain oil with the engine running to save the battery from being run down by the pump........


  • Registered Users Posts: 549 ✭✭✭PCDub


    dont think it'd do the oil strainer in the sump much good, can see that getting blocked up with all the crap left and oil pressure dropping over time.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,255 ✭✭✭Yawns


    Meh

    I change the oil in the car regularly. More frequently than needed going by the car manual. I swap between using a suck pump and getting underneath and opening sump so best of both worlds.


  • Registered Users Posts: 325 ✭✭tvc15


    I can't see a tube fitting down the dipstick holder, how thin are these things?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 660 ✭✭✭Scrappy600


    tvc15 wrote: »
    I can't see a tube fitting down the dipstick holder, how thin are these things?

    Oil filler cap.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,060 ✭✭✭Kenny Logins


    Scrappy600 wrote: »
    Oil filler cap.....

    Rockers.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,473 ✭✭✭Notch000


    Scrappy600 wrote: »
    and dont you know aswell, some fool is gonna use it to drain oil with the engine running to save the battery from being run down by the pump........

    took me a while to get it, but i finally see what you mean !!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 660 ✭✭✭Scrappy600


    Rockers.

    Touche. Never used one. Male blonde moment


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,523 ✭✭✭An Ri rua


    Pique wrote: »
    I would say 90% of dealers and slightly less independent mechanics use one of these. They're quick, simple, clean and tidy.

    I use indy mechanics and I won't let them do this. Its lazy, its part of our short-term culture re cars and maintenance and it quite simply doesn't do the job. I sold premium-brand lubes for years and know what I'm talking about.

    You could filter the oil you've taken out and put it back in and it would be a much better bet for your engine than the end-result of draining oil from the top and leaving metal contaminants in the engine to re-contaminate the fresh oil. Oil simply does not break down (within the manufacturer intervals(although they're pushing it lately, to satisfy fleet owners, not you and me)) and is useful far beyond the service intervals given. The reason you change it IS to remove the contaminants. Someone else said 'oil filter'. That's only half the equation.

    ps while I'm at it, most Irish people HAVE NOT A CLUE about oil changes and neither do most mechanics. Mileage is only one criteria. Extreme operating conditions is the other. Short runs and cold driving should mean oil changes twice as often. Almost all that wear and tear happens while the engine is warming up. A simple and life-lengthening regime for any car. Its why I drive a 220K Xantia HDi (took it from 70k, and JUST changed from 1st clutch!) that will run right through 400K if its looked after. Most Irish drivers, and also most so-called mechanics, work by the book and HAVE NOT A CLUE about oil changes. Very few skilled tradesmen around who keep old cars on the road for people. We've just got so used to driving (and fixing) cars less than 10 years old. I would look to more frugal and less car-consumptive people like the mainland Europeans or the States. We get nervous when a car goes over 100k whereas all of that is a myth if you take even a few minutes a month to CARE about your car.

    edit: if the sump nut hasn't been changed, your oil hasn't really been changed either. Laziness is a curse.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭T-Maxx


    At a pump rate of 200ml per minute I'd say it's sucking it up through a very small diameter hose - small enough to fit in the dipstick opening.


  • Registered Users Posts: 295 ✭✭eoinfitzokk


    I might have a repurpose for this little pump to pump oil from shallow boreholes. Is it a peristaltic pump?
    The housing shape suggests so. Good Peristaltic pumps are expensive like the solinst 410 at 1000 euro.
    Does anybody know what the suction lift is? The hose looks to be 2m long.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 586 ✭✭✭lowelife


    An Ri rua wrote: »
    I sold premium-brand lubes for years and know what I'm talking about.

    *giggles like a school girl*


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭T-Maxx


    I might have a repurpose for this little pump to pump oil from shallow boreholes. Is it a peristaltic pump?
    The housing shape suggests so. Good Peristaltic pumps are expensive like the solinst 410 at 1000 euro.
    Does anybody know what the suction lift is? The hose looks to be 2m long.

    At this price I'm getting one. I'll test it out (with water) and let you know. There might be something in the manual as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,523 ✭✭✭An Ri rua


    lowelife wrote: »
    *giggles like a school girl*

    With my extensive lube experience, and your deep giggling affectation, we could have a lot of fun. PM me :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭keithclancy


    An Ri rua wrote: »
    I use indy mechanics and I won't let them do this. Its lazy, its part of our short-term culture re cars and maintenance and it quite simply doesn't do the job. I sold premium-brand lubes for years and know what I'm talking about.

    You could filter the oil you've taken out and put it back in and it would be a much better bet for your engine than the end-result of draining oil from the top and leaving metal contaminants in the engine to re-contaminate the fresh oil. Oil simply does not break down (within the manufacturer intervals(although they're pushing it lately, to satisfy fleet owners, not you and me)) and is useful far beyond the service intervals given. The reason you change it IS to remove the contaminants. Someone else said 'oil filter'. That's only half the equation.

    ps while I'm at it, most Irish people HAVE NOT A CLUE about oil changes and neither do most mechanics. Mileage is only one criteria. Extreme operating conditions is the other. Short runs and cold driving should mean oil changes twice as often. Almost all that wear and tear happens while the engine is warming up. A simple and life-lengthening regime for any car. Its why I drive a 220K Xantia HDi (took it from 70k, and JUST changed from 1st clutch!) that will run right through 400K if its looked after. Most Irish drivers, and also most so-called mechanics, work by the book and HAVE NOT A CLUE about oil changes. Very few skilled tradesmen around who keep old cars on the road for people. We've just got so used to driving (and fixing) cars less than 10 years old. I would look to more frugal and less car-consumptive people like the mainland Europeans or the States. We get nervous when a car goes over 100k whereas all of that is a myth if you take even a few minutes a month to CARE about your car.

    edit: if the sump nut hasn't been changed, your oil hasn't really been changed either. Laziness is a curse.

    The metal contaminants in the engine are captured by a magnet in the oil pan anyway:
    transmission%20magnet%20catching%20filings.jpg

    Some cars can only have the oil changed via suction from the Dip stick (e.g. Smart Car)

    Saying that I always change it from the sump plug, this way seems a bit messy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,071 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    Pique wrote: »
    I would say 90% of dealers and slightly less independent mechanics use one of these. They're quick, simple, clean and tidy.

    Garages charge by the hour, if they can get the work completed in less time then they make more profit. So of course they'll use the quick method as if there is crap left behind it means more work for them. Also it's fairly easy to damage the sump or plug when removing/fitting and since a lot of regular service work is done by the less experienced staff there's less risk to the garage by not removing the plug.

    If a car doesn't have a sump plug by design then the suction pump has to be used, if it has a plug it's there for a reason.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    Sold out in all Lidl branches.

    Not your ornery onager



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  • Registered Users Posts: 295 ✭✭eoinfitzokk


    I might have a repurpose for this little pump to pump oil from shallow boreholes. Is it a peristaltic pump?
    The housing shape suggests so. Good Peristaltic pumps are expensive like the solinst 410 at 1000 euro.
    Does anybody know what the suction lift is? The hose looks to be 2m long.


    any info on the instructions in relation to the suction depth?!


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,920 ✭✭✭billy few mates


    Could this pump be used for removing diesel/petrol from a tank that's been accidentally filled with the wrong fuel type....?


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 124 ✭✭Dark sun


    Could this pump be used for removing diesel/petrol from a tank that's been accidentally filled with the wrong fuel type....?

    Yeah it says it can be used for oil and diesel doesn't mention petrol, maybe petrol could do some damage to some of the seals in the pump, not sure. Or because it's an electric pump and petrol won't mix well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,808 ✭✭✭take everything


    Feck it.
    Missed this.
    Anyone selling theirs :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭Neil_Sedaka


    T-Maxx wrote: »
    At this price I'm getting one. I'll test it out (with water) and let you know. There might be something in the manual as well.

    I could be wrong, but I think it can only be used for oil and diesel as the liquid being pumped lubes the motor - I Think!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭T-Maxx


    Didn't get one either. Seems they had very few and it went like hot cakes.

    BTW if it is a peristaltic pump it'll pump pretty much any liquid.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭Quatre Mains


    Slightly off topic but does anyone know any Lidl in Dublin that still has axle stands left? Tried Coolock last night and no joy (the pump was gone by then too)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 243 ✭✭Stillnotworking


    There were a few left in Ashbourne on Friday, didn't spot any in Finglas. Now has anyone found any stores with the oil pump / slump pump in Dublin or the North east.

    Thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,679 ✭✭✭MAJJ


    Rathfarnam on grange road Lidlington had lots of axle stands last night. Good luck


  • Registered Users Posts: 164 ✭✭joe199


    Anyone no if the oil is any good there selling?


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