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Modern Irish slavery

  • 22-03-2014 11:37AM
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 878 ✭✭✭Montgolfier


    Am I right in saying the whole country is getting screwed on taxes.
    I probably take home 40% of what I earn, if I spend that 40% take away another 23% so that leaves 17%.
    Gov and people in the top jobs won't take a pay cut because they have huge mortgages and it wouldn't do If they couldn't pay the banks.
    It amounts to Irish slavery earning just enough to survive but not enough to change your situation.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,667 ✭✭✭Frynge


    Am I right in saying the whole country is getting screwed on taxes.
    I probably take home 40% of what I earn, if I spend that 40% take away another 23% so that leaves 17%.
    Gov and people in the top jobs won't take a pay cut because they have huge mortgages and it wouldn't do If they couldn't pay the banks.
    It amounts to Irish slavery earning just enough to survive but not enough to change your situation.

    Can I ask how exactly you only get 40% of you gross. It seems obscenely low.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭JDOC1996


    I agree with you. It's absolutely disgusting. But as per usual us Irish are just taking it up the hole. Our leaders are weak, impotent d*cks. It's really time us Irish people stand up for ourselves.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 126 ✭✭bikerjohn


    This is my Slavery!!

    So an owner walks into his factory on a Monday morning and rounds up his staff and says ok I need all you guys to work for 20% less but I want increased output .I want a large %%% of you to work in a new factory 75 miles away but you can make your own way there everyday and I will not compensate you I want all of you guys to be supervisors in 5 years time but we only got (10 positions and there is 80 of you) if not your fired.I want jimmy who started yesterday to work alongside tony for 10% less oh and finally I want you all to SMILE while this is happening ...REACTION FROM STAFF well you can all guess that one ...Except if your a Member of the Irish Defence Forces then you just take it and take it once they have drained you financially they will go after you mentally because you got no more to give .Defence Force Members have suffered most in the Public Service (FACT).DDFPAC2014


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 878 ✭✭✭Montgolfier


    Frynge wrote: »
    Can I ask how exactly you only get 40% of you gross. It seems obscenely low.

    Just utterly frustrated I work hard have a young family wife's not working so she minds the kids, we don't eat/drink out and we have feck all at the end of the month.
    Granted I didn't do my sums, I am on the higher rate of tax, and then USC, Prsi, pension (you might say the last one is a choice but is it really in this day and age.)
    On top there's Road Tax, NCT, TV licence, Property Tax, and my point is it doesn't end there, as everything you pay for has VAT 23% on it.
    The gap between the rich and poor is one of the highest in Europe according to newstalk the other day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,187 ✭✭✭relax carry on


    Just utterly frustrated I work hard have a young family wife's not working so she minds the kids, we don't eat/drink out and we have feck all at the end of the month.
    Granted I didn't do my sums, I am on the higher rate of tax, and then USC, Prsi, pension (you might say the last one is a choice but is it really in this day and age.)
    On top there's Road Tax, NCT, TV licence, Property Tax, and my point is it doesn't end there, as everything you pay for has VAT 23% on it.
    The gap between the rich and poor is one of the highest in Europe according to newstalk the other day.

    You may want to revise that statement about Vat. Everything does not have 23% vat on it. There's a standard rate of 23% on some things, a reduced rate of 13.5% on others, a second reduced rate of 9% and then a zero rate.

    http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/vat/rates/index.jsp


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,798 ✭✭✭Mr. Incognito


    Not a taxation matter

    Ranting and raving that way
    >


  • Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Solomon Ashy Martian


    I probably take home 40% of what I earn, if I spend that 40% take away another 23% so that leaves 17%. .

    Eh... no


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 114 ✭✭Joaquin223


    I probably take home 40% of what I earn, if I spend that 40% take away another 23% so that leaves 17%.
    What?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,046 ✭✭✭martinedwards


    Modern slavery is where teenaged girls are lured by the promise of a job in the west and then shot up on drugs to keep them docile and used as prostitutes.

    I think you'll find that you're paying more tax than you'd like to.

    there is a slight difference, and there are a bunch of young women who would love to offer you a swop......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 134 ✭✭Terry Gilliam Beard


    Just utterly frustrated I work hard have a young family wife's not working so she minds the kids, we don't eat/drink out and we have feck all at the end of the month.
    Do you get children's allowance at all? Tax breaks for having children? 'Free' school (paid for by whom?)? Do you use roads, or healthcare at all?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,780 ✭✭✭Frank Lee Midere


    bluewolf wrote: »
    Eh... no

    No indeed. The 40% is probably too high anyway. But even if all items cost 23% vat that can't be taken from the 60% "remainder".

    VAT is added to the retail price. If an item would have cost 100 it costs 123 after tax. Of the sticker price then 18.6% is VAT.

    If you spend all your income on VAT products you pay another 18.6% tax on the rest of your income. Nobody does.

    The rest of the stuff - extra costs for health, property, eventually water does add up though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,780 ✭✭✭Frank Lee Midere


    Do you get children's allowance at all? Tax breaks for having children? 'Free' school (paid for by whom?)? Do you use roads, or healthcare at all?

    Surely the guy on the top end of the tax breaks is paying for all this, and more.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,851 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    Do you get children's allowance at all? Tax breaks for having children? 'Free' school (paid for by whom?)? Do you use roads, or healthcare at all?

    So that means that the income is not taxed and he act spend it on what he chooses?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,790 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Just utterly frustrated I work hard have a young family wife's not working so she minds the kids, we don't eat/drink out and we have feck all at the end of the month.
    Granted I didn't do my sums, I am on the higher rate of tax, and then USC, Prsi, pension (you might say the last one is a choice but is it really in this day and age.)
    On top there's Road Tax, NCT, TV licence, Property Tax, and my point is it doesn't end there, as everything you pay for has VAT 23% on it.
    The gap between the rich and poor is one of the highest in Europe according to newstalk the other day.

    Newstalk is owned by Denis O'Brien. Was it him that said it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 540 ✭✭✭OttoPilot


    I think I'm right in saying tax rates were much higher back in the 70s and 80s. My Granddad was an engineer and I remember him always complaining that the top rate of tax was above 50%! So I'd say current marginal tax rates aren't too bad in comparison seeing as they were at their lowest around 05/06.

    The point of taxes is to pool people's money together for the greater social good. If there was no taxes you would have to pay extortionate hospital fees for privately built and run hospitals, education would be more expensive, who would pay for your roads too? You would, just at a higher price than the government does.

    Yeah maybe taxes are too high atm because of bailing out banks, but that is what the electorate voted for when they voted for FG, FF, Greens and Labour


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,339 ✭✭✭Artful_Badger


    earning just enough to survive but not enough to change your situation.

    Welcome to human existence. This is the life of the vast majority of people who have lived or ever will live on this planet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 134 ✭✭Terry Gilliam Beard


    So that means that the income is not taxed and he act spend it on what he chooses?
    No - but he's claiming he's a slave. You agree?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    Do you get children's allowance at all? Tax breaks for having children? 'Free' school (paid for by whom?)? Do you use roads, or healthcare at all?

    Education isn't free.
    The roads are tolled, motor tax is among the highest in Europe.
    A recent visit to my gp, then referred me to a and easy, followed by a prescription ended up costing me the guts of €200.

    How do you reckon they're all free :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 134 ✭✭Terry Gilliam Beard


    Education isn't free.
    The roads are tolled, motor tax is among the highest in Europe.
    A recent visit to my gp, then referred me to a and easy, followed by a prescription ended up costing me the guts of €200.

    How do you reckon they're all free :confused:
    None of them are free - they are paid for with our taxes.

    Do people still not realise this? :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    None of them are free - they are paid for with our taxes.

    Do people still not realise this? :confused:

    I'm sorry, I thought you were implying that they were free. I may have read your post wrong.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,346 ✭✭✭No Pants


    OttoPilot wrote: »
    I think I'm right in saying tax rates were much higher back in the 70s and 80s. My Granddad was an engineer and I remember him always complaining that the top rate of tax was above 50%! So I'd say current marginal tax rates aren't too bad in comparison seeing as they were at their lowest around 05/06.
    I think the top rate of tax in the 80s was 65%.


  • Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm guessing maths was never your strong suit


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    Count yourself lucky OP.

    I'm self employed and have to spend twice as much as I earn every year in order to break even.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,346 ✭✭✭No Pants


    So other than the OP being wrong about absolutely everything, what have we learned from this thread so far?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,369 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    I'm self employed and have to spend twice as much as I earn every year in order to break even.

    Did I fall into fookin Maths Wonderland with this thread?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7 star_man


    thought this was going to be about travellers luring homeless folk into bondage


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 134 ✭✭Terry Gilliam Beard


    star_man wrote: »
    thought this was going to be about travellers luring homeless folk into bondage
    Nah, it's about a guy paying taxes in a democracy to support public services and infrastructure.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    No Pants wrote: »
    So other than the OP being wrong about absolutely everything, what have we learned from this thread so far?

    That maths education is poor in this country.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,744 ✭✭✭diomed


    The OP should take his routine ---> Stand-Up Comedy and Improv


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 450 ✭✭taytothief


    I love it, a guy complains about obscene levels of tax in this country, and everyone attacks him. Boards.ie


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