Dole Vs. Crime

Jumboman · 21-03-2014 10:05PM

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Some of them did by being the tools willing to get a €400,000 ****box apartment in Meath during the boom thereby fueling the overheating of the property market.

Not that your point is relevant anyway.......

Yes but these people just listened to the "experts" who should have know better.

The banks should cut all celtic tiger mortgages by 50% because of their reckless lending.

shopaholic01 · 21-03-2014 10:08PM

Jumboman wrote: »

Yes but these people just listened to the "experts" who should have know better.

The banks should cut all celtic tiger mortgages by 50% because of their reckless lending.

Do you suggest that the social welfare budget is cut to fund this?

mickydoomsux · 21-03-2014 10:11PM

Jumboman wrote: »

Yes but these people just listened to the "experts" who should have know better.

The banks should cut all celtic tiger mortgages by 50% because of their reckless lending.

Or perhaps the fools who took out the mortgages should have given it some thought rather than listening to the advice of some random clown on the teevee.

A nation of victims looking for anyone to blame but themselves.

Jumboman · 21-03-2014 10:12PM

shopaholic01 wrote: »

Do you suggest that the social welfare budget is cut to fund this?

There is no need to "fund it" its just zeros on a computer.

shopaholic01 · 21-03-2014 10:13PM

Jumboman wrote: »

There is no need to "fund it" its just zeros on a computer.

Ah, foolproof so.

Toby Take a Bow · 21-03-2014 10:14PM

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Simple maths will show you otherwise. The social welfare bill is around €23 billion a year. Every year. And it has to be paid or there would be rioting in the streets.

You're confusing social welfare with dole. Unemployment benefits make up a percentage of that 23 billion figure that people. Latest figures would suggest that it costs 8 billion to service our debt, whilst a generous interpretation of 'the dole' would put that at a little under that figure.

Jumboman · 21-03-2014 10:14PM

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Or perhaps the fools who took out the mortgages should have given it some thought rather than listening to the advice of some random clown on the teevee.

A nation of victims looking for anyone to blame but themselves.

You cant blame people for following their "betters" when the media and government were all telling them to buy a house.

The average person is not a economist.

Merrion · 21-03-2014 10:18PM

Jumboman wrote: »

The average person is not a economist.

Actually they are - the problem is that the average economist is not a person.
(The economy is the sum of the hopes less the sum of the fears of the population.)

darkpagandeath · 21-03-2014 11:00PM

wexie wrote: »

What? Compared to where?

Finland ... Were the 2nd most expensive country in the EU for Alcohol and Tabaco. But don't let that stop people saying stuff is cheap here.

Mint Aero · 21-03-2014 11:11PM

goose2005 wrote: »

you should stand for election

One vote anyways, all I need is 9,057 more and I can be politish.

cereal_k1ller · 22-03-2014 12:30AM

whupdedo wrote: »

I know a few lads that are on dole while still working away and most make fairly reasonable money, but it's not like they're putting it into an offshore bank account, most are only scraping a living feeding their families and paying the mortgage, while others are pissing it up against the wall at the weekends
From what I see they are putting most or all they make every week back into the economy by spending in the local pub, shop ,buying petrol, fags and whatever else they need

I often wonder why everyone doesn't quit working and simply go on the dole , sure if it such a major boost to economic activity as some claim , its bound to work out well

Sir Arthur Daley · 22-03-2014 12:34AM

Hopefully crime will decrease now with cheque payment instead of cash at these Cash for Gold places. Every little has to help.

JayRoc · 22-03-2014 12:39AM

Jumboman wrote: »

You cant blame people for following their "betters" when the media and government were all telling them to buy a house.
.

Yes, you can. Absolutely.

I'm not an economist, god knows I can barely manage long division on a bad day.
But I didn't buy a house when people kept telling me I should because the whole thing seemed crazy. The numbers....the commitment.......

Guess who's not such a dumbarse now?

Jumboman · 22-03-2014 01:05AM

JayRoc wrote: »

Yes, you can. Absolutely.

I'm not an economist, god knows I can barely manage long division on a bad day.
But I didn't buy a house when people kept telling me I should because the whole thing seemed crazy. The numbers....the commitment.......

Guess who's not such a dumbarse now?

I didnt buy a house either because I could see prices were absolutely crazy.

But I still feel sorry for people who fell for the propaganda.

Grayson · 22-03-2014 10:51AM

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Jumboman wrote: »

I didnt buy a house either because I could see prices were absolutely crazy.

But I still feel sorry for people who fell for the propaganda.

If i ever buy a house I'll make sure I can make the repayments easily. The latest figures show that most of the mortgages that are in arrears belong to people who are in full time employment. It's not that the mortgage holder lost their job, it's that they simply over extended.

whupdedo · 22-03-2014 11:51AM

Grayson wrote: »

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If i ever buy a house I'll make sure I can make the repayments easily. The latest figures show that most of the mortgages that are in arrears belong to people who are in full time employment. It's not that the mortgage holder lost their job, it's that they simply over extended.

True, but a lot of people who bought have had their wages cut also, if you have 2 married civil servants with a big mortgage who had been able to afford their mortgage before the recession they have seen their income drop considerably, so what was affordable 8 years ago is probably a struggle today and add that in with all the extra charges and taxes making it harder on the normal working Joes

whupdedo · 22-03-2014 11:53AM

cereal_k1ller wrote: »

I often wonder why everyone doesn't quit working and simply go on the dole , sure if it such a major boost to economic activity as some claim , its bound to work out well

Ya that's right :rolleyes:

PopePalpatine · 22-03-2014 12:23PM

Clandestine wrote: »

I'm against the welfare state. I'm for private charity, I think it'd be more efficient, cost effective and fair

Have you paid any attention at all to what's happening to CRC? Replacing social welfare with private charity seems like a return to the bad old days of the early 20th century (and before).

gugleguy · 22-03-2014 12:26PM

See where Czar Nicholas II 's charitable policy in Imperial Russia got him.

KwackerJack · 22-03-2014 12:31PM

I dunno..once a thief always a thief. Dole or not they still orb.

Bankers, politicians, business me that earn hundreds and millions still rob!!

whupdedo · 22-03-2014 01:46PM

KwackerJack wrote: »

I dunno..once a thief always a thief. Dole or not they still orb.

Bankers, politicians, business me that earn hundreds and millions still rob!!

That's a simplistic way of viewing things, like it or not business men and politicians and bankers may make mistakes but without them where would industry, commerce, trade agreements and a whole lot of jobs come from, we would all be walking around leaderless and jobless without them

Jumboman · 22-03-2014 06:42PM

whupdedo wrote: »

That's a simplistic way of viewing things, like it or not business men and politicians and bankers may make mistakes but without them where would industry, commerce, trade agreements and a whole lot of jobs come from, we would all be walking around leaderless and jobless without them

Most of the major business men in Ireland are just stroke pullers we would be better off without them.

whupdedo · 22-03-2014 06:44PM

Jumboman wrote: »

Most of the major business men in Ireland are just stroke pullers we would be better off without them.

And what would happen all their employees who get paid every Friday, put them on the dole?

wexie · 22-03-2014 06:49PM

Jumboman wrote: »

Most of the major business men in Ireland are just stroke pullers we would be better off without them.

Yeah, lets get all the large IT companies, chemical companies and financials to leave the country, we'll have the economy fixed in no time :rolleyes:

darkpagandeath · 22-03-2014 06:50PM

whupdedo wrote: »

And what would happen all their employees who get paid every Friday, put them on the dole?

The bad ones have left/fled and are trying to go bankrupt in different jurisdictions so they can come back. And get on the gravy train once it starts up again. And all the developers got out before things went south and living it up outside Ireland.

Jumboman · 22-03-2014 06:51PM

wexie wrote: »

Yeah, lets get all the large IT companies, chemical companies and financials to leave the country, we'll have the economy fixed in no time :rolleyes:

I'm talking about our home grown "business men".

Jumboman · 22-03-2014 06:53PM

whupdedo wrote: »

And what would happen all their employees who get paid every Friday, put them on the dole?

If the business is viable then someone else can run it.

whupdedo · 22-03-2014 06:58PM

Jumboman wrote: »

If the business is viable then someone else can run it.

A businessman perhaps ? Don't talk nonsense.

Jumboman · 22-03-2014 07:00PM

whupdedo wrote: »

A businessman perhaps ? Don't talk nonsense.

Yes one that is not a corrupt chancer.

Boskowski · 22-03-2014 07:03PM

whupdedo wrote: »

I know a few lads that are on dole while still working away and most make fairly reasonable money, but it's not like they're putting it into an offshore bank account, most are only scraping a living feeding their families and paying the mortgage, while others are pissing it up against the wall at the weekends
From what I see they are putting most or all they make every week back into the economy by spending in the local pub, shop ,buying petrol, fags and whatever else they need

Great bunch of lads really is what you're saying?

Dole Vs. Crime

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