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Dole Vs. Crime

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  • #32
    gw80
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭gw80


    Hootanany wrote: »
    Most crime is commited by people on the dole.

    Yea but the biggest crimes are commited by people in suits:cool:


  • #33
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,478 ✭✭✭wexie


    Jonny Blaze wrote: »

    But when I contrast that to the following information from the Irish Penal Reform Trust (http://www.iprt.ie/prison-facts-2) regarding the expenditure on keeping prisoners incarcerated per year:
    The average cost of imprisonment per prisoner was €65,404 in 2012, not including education spend; it was €65,359in 2011;

    Does that include dole they get while incarcerated?


  • #34
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,478 ✭✭✭wexie


    Tigerandahalf wrote: »
    Food is still very cheap in this country. So is booze....

    What? Compared to where?


  • #35
    Hootanany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,479 ✭✭✭Hootanany


    BillyMitchel wrote: »
    How does one break down the cost of a prisoner per-year?

    Serious question!

    Prison warders overtime.


  • #36
    Aint Eazy Being Cheezy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,634 ✭✭✭Aint Eazy Being Cheezy


    wexie wrote: »
    Does that include dole they get while incarcerated?

    They don't receive that. They get a daily allowance, but it's a fraction of their weekly sw payment.


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  • #37
    Hootanany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,479 ✭✭✭Hootanany


    Duracell Bunny wrote: »
    How can you be so sure?

    If I was a career criminal and prolific at it, I wouldn't claim the dole because I'd have to provide a fixed address, and be at a certain place at a certain time.

    So have you any genuine sources, or are you just spouting bs?

    Do you not read the papers "Unemployed Father of 1" add numbers where applicable.


  • #38
    Potatoeman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,087 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    Tigerandahalf wrote: »
    At the moment there just isn't enough jobs out there. Add to that the cost of renting, commuting and childcare and you see a group of people who are just trapped unless the salary from the job is high enough.
    You have a lot of graduates in Ireland today who will never earn a graduate wage or progress in that direction. Colleges have churned out graduates and many of these people now want a certain type of job to fit their qualification.
    The dole for young people is small at around 100 eur. I am quite surprised that we have not had more social unrest. People seem very docile about the whole thing.
    This country is still very safe. You can walk down most streets without any issue. Food is still very cheap in this country. So is booze so not much to protest about. If we were to see significant food price increases it would be a different story.

    Young people dont vote. This is why oaps will keep medicle cards and pensions no matter what their income level is, while dole payments for young people are cut.


  • #39
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,478 ✭✭✭wexie


    Duracell Bunny wrote: »
    They don't receive that. They get a daily allowance, but it's a fraction of their weekly sw payment.

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/jail-scam-prisoners-claiming-welfare-while-behind-bars-26744506.html

    they shouldn't receive it, doesn't mean they don't though....
    (Although to be fair it think the blame for that lies with the depts of social protection and justice.)


  • #40
    Turtyturd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭Turtyturd


    BillyMitchel wrote: »
    How does one break down the cost of a prisoner per-year?

    Serious question!

    You get the total costs of running a prison for a year and divide it by the number of prisoners.

    The reality is that there is no major saving on the costs of an individual being in or out of prison, because if they are not in prison someone else will be. The only real savings come from stuff like dental/doctor visits which vary by person.


  • #41
    Aint Eazy Being Cheezy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,634 ✭✭✭Aint Eazy Being Cheezy


    Hootanany wrote: »
    Do you not read the papers "Unemployed Father of 1" add numbers where applicable.

    Here we feckin go


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  • #42
    Pingi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 618 ✭✭✭Pingi


    I just dont like those who claim the dole and look down on other peoples jobs minimum wage/service industry etc, especially when they are not qualified or experienced themselfs. Those in need of help or those who are bone lazy and honest dont bother me.


  • #43
    Jonny Blaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 753 ✭✭✭Jonny Blaze


    wexie wrote: »
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/jail-scam-prisoners-claiming-welfare-while-behind-bars-26744506.html

    they shouldn't receive it, doesn't mean they don't though....
    (Although to be fair it think the blame for that lies with the depts of social protection and justice.)

    That's fairly shocking in fairness!


  • #44
    Toby Take a Bow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,732 ✭✭✭Toby Take a Bow


    Hootanany wrote: »
    Do you not read the papers "Unemployed Father of 1" add numbers where applicable.

    How to determine income and its effect on crime? Occasional reading of articles in newspapers and 'add numbers where applicable'. I think it's safe to say that now the National Statistics Office is redundant.


  • #45
    taytothief
    Closed Accounts Posts: 450 ✭✭taytothief


    Some people just like to steal stuff...


  • #46
    Hootanany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,479 ✭✭✭Hootanany


    Toby Take a Bow wrote: »
    How to determine income and its effect on crime? Occasional reading of articles in newspapers and 'add numbers where applicable'. I think it's safe to say that now the National Statistics Office is redundant.

    WHAAA


  • #47
    Mint Aero
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭Mint Aero


    I don't give a f*ck about other people. Couldn't give a sh*t if they got 9 million a year on the dole. I earn my crust and that's all that matters to me. I love me. Me me me me.


  • #48
    The Diabolical Monocle
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭The Diabolical Monocle


    gw80 wrote: »
    Yea but the biggest crimes are commited by people in suits:cool:

    People whos names we're not allowed to know.


  • #49
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,478 ✭✭✭wexie


    Jonny Blaze wrote: »
    That's fairly shocking in fairness!

    Which bit though? The fact prisoners have been receiving dole while locked up or the fact that the responsibility to notify the department of social protection lies with the prisoners themselves? Like the turkeys voting for Christmas....
    THOUSANDS of prisoners have been illegally claiming millions of euro in social welfare because their benefits are not automatically cut off when they are sent to jail.
    It is up to prisoners to notify the department when they are sent to prison because it is illegal for them to claim welfare


  • #50
    Hootanany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,479 ✭✭✭Hootanany


    wexie wrote: »
    Which bit though? The fact prisoners have been receiving dole while locked up or the fact that the responsibility to notify the department of social protection lies with the prisoners themselves? Like the turkeys voting for Christmas....

    Un effing real i suppose the unions would look for a extra payment for the PS TO IMPLEMENT common sense.


  • #51
    kowloon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,187 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    Can I not do drive by shootings while I'm out looking for work?! People these days can't multitask.


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  • #52
    whupdedo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,513 ✭✭✭whupdedo


    I know a few lads that are on dole while still working away and most make fairly reasonable money, but it's not like they're putting it into an offshore bank account, most are only scraping a living feeding their families and paying the mortgage, while others are pissing it up against the wall at the weekends
    From what I see they are putting most or all they make every week back into the economy by spending in the local pub, shop ,buying petrol, fags and whatever else they need


  • #53
    Jumboman
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,292 ✭✭✭Jumboman


    The bankers have done more damage to the country than people on the dole will ever do.


  • #54
    whupdedo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,513 ✭✭✭whupdedo


    Jumboman wrote: »
    The bankers have done more damage to the country than people on the dole will ever do.

    Ya your right :rolleyes: time to change the strings on that violin your passing around :pac:


  • #55
    goose2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,798 ✭✭✭goose2005


    Mint Aero wrote: »
    I don't give a f*ck about other people. Couldn't give a sh*t if they got 9 million a year on the dole. I earn my crust and that's all that matters to me. I love me. Me me me me.

    you should stand for election


  • #56
    Clandestine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,466 ✭✭✭Clandestine


    I'm against the welfare state. I'm for private charity, I think it'd be more efficient, cost effective and fair


  • #57
    Jonny Blaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 753 ✭✭✭Jonny Blaze


    Clandestine wrote: »
    I'm against the welfare state. I'm for private charity, I think it'd be more efficient, cost effective and fair

    Even if it resulted in more crime and associated expense?


  • #58
    Jumboman
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,292 ✭✭✭Jumboman


    Clandestine wrote: »
    I'm against the welfare state. I'm for private charity, I think it'd be more efficient, cost effective and fair


    How would that work ?


  • #59
    mickydoomsux
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,287 ✭✭✭mickydoomsux


    Jumboman wrote: »
    The bankers have done more damage to the country than people on the dole will ever do.

    Simple maths will show you otherwise. The social welfare bill is around €23 billion a year. Every year. And it has to be paid or there would be rioting in the streets.


  • #60
    Jumboman
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,292 ✭✭✭Jumboman


    mickydoomsux wrote: »
    Simple maths will show you otherwise. The social welfare bill is around €23 billion a year. Every year. And it has to be paid or there would be rioting in the streets.

    The people on the dole didnt cause the property bubble.


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  • #61
    mickydoomsux
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,287 ✭✭✭mickydoomsux


    Jumboman wrote: »
    The people on the dole didnt cause the property bubble.

    Some of them did by being the tools willing to get a €400,000 ****box apartment in Meath during the boom thereby fueling the overheating of the property market.

    Not that your point is relevant anyway.......


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