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Heifer prices 2015/2016

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  • #52
    Gillespy
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    EBI not including type is its major flaw. How we thought we knew better than almost every country in the world to have an index that ignored even basic type is beyond me.


  • #53
    Greengrass1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    Gillespy wrote: »
    EBI not including type is its major flaw. How we thought we knew better than almost every country in the world to have an index that ignored even basic type is beyond me.

    Yes but but I prefers a cow that goes incalf over a good looking one.
    Seamus Hughes was there and he said 10 yrs ago when ebi started getting big the herds well known for type didn't believe in it and now they are using ebi and there is bulls from those herds coming through now.
    He also said once the big fertility issues in Irish herds is sorted out then the ebi will be based more on feet legs mastitis and overall type


  • #54
    milkprofit
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    stanflt wrote: »
    Had 4 out today

    Avg 1930 with one only making 1380

    It was a tough sale

    Where
    Can u describe hfs.


  • #55
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,447 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    Yes but but I prefers a cow that goes incalf over a good looking one.
    Seamus Hughes was there and he said 10 yrs ago when ebi started getting big the herds well known for type didn't believe in it and now they are using ebi and there is bulls from those herds coming through now.
    He also said once the big fertility issues in Irish herds is sorted out then the ebi will be based more on feet legs mastitis and overall type

    Type is a lot more than a good looking cow gg.my highest ebi cow last year was an absolute screw of a yolk,bad feet and legs,poor udder and brutal teat placement .only milked a shade over 1000 gallons at 3.95 fat and 3.52 protein.she is now burgers.ebi wasn't here 10 years ago it was rbi


  • #56
    stanflt
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    milkprofit wrote: »
    Where
    Can u describe hfs.


    carnaross
    taafe auctions on facebook has the catelog

    gio 2140 162ebi
    llk 1920 190ebi
    s902 2280 167ebi
    hrj 1380 85ebi


  • #57
    Henwin
    Registered Users Posts: 630 ✭✭✭Henwin


    we have a batch of pedigree holstein heifers for sale in d next few weeks, they are well fed, off gud milking dams. They are all a year old or thereabouts. Their EBI isn't great though under 100 mostly.
    What do ye think they shud make at a guess,


  • #58
    stanflt
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    mahoney_j wrote: »
    Type is a lot more than a good looking cow gg.my highest ebi cow last year was an absolute screw of a yolk,bad feet and legs,poor udder and brutal teat placement .only milked a shade over 1000 gallons at 3.95 fat and 3.52 protein.she is now burgers.ebi wasn't here 10 years ago it was rbi



    i now someone who won the bank of ireland award for the top rbi herd in the country

    i think theres a pic of him hanging in the kitchen


  • #59
    stanflt
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    Milked out wrote: »
    stanflt wrote: »

    He is an ABO out of a DEU cow whos' dam is out of NEL, (Galtee Noel). His Milk sub index is 137, 267 kg milk, 20 kg fat, 21 kg protein. The Dam is a good cow in fairness, calved every oct for the last 4 years. avg completed lactations of 7541kg, 579kg f+p, 297days, The type of cow you don't notice really, milks fine, goes back in calf with little fuss. Classeified vg85


    thats a great cow imo
    good solid type and great milk and fertility
    whens he available


  • #60
    Greengrass1
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    mahoney_j wrote: »
    Type is a lot more than a good looking cow gg.my highest ebi cow last year was an absolute screw of a yolk,bad feet and legs,poor udder and brutal teat placement .only milked a shade over 1000 gallons at 3.95 fat and 3.52 protein.she is now burgers.ebi wasn't here 10 years ago it was rbi

    I never said it was. Have you any more cows from that bull?
    Maybe it was just a bad cross?
    Your in a unique position where you can be picky with bulls you pick and cows you keep.
    Fertility is the number one in my book. If ye don't have that then that's Where ye start.
    Mine us only 84 here so want to rise it alot


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  • #61
    blackdog1
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    Henwin wrote: »
    we have a batch of pedigree holstein heifers for sale in d next few weeks, they are well fed, off gud milking dams. They are all a year old or thereabouts. Their EBI isn't great though under 100 mostly.
    What do ye think they shud make at a guess,

    I put heifers in donedeal last year when there was no market for them supposedly. Got 30 calls in a day just based on pictures. No one wanted to know about ebi. Had them sold the next day for 1600. Farmer looked at my heifers and cows that was it. Good stock sells. Breeding heifers I would say 900-1000 unless you have stock like stan and mahoney


  • #62
    Henwin
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    blackdog1 wrote: »
    I put heifers in donedeal last year when there was no market for them supposedly. Got 30 calls in a day just based on pictures. No one wanted to know about ebi. Had them sold the next day for 1600. Farmer looked at my heifers and cows that was it. Good stock sells. Breeding heifers I would say 900-1000 unless you have stock like stan and mahoney

    cool, thanks. ill let u know how they get on


  • #63
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,447 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    I never said it was. Have you any more cows from that bull?
    Maybe it was just a bad cross?
    Your in a unique position where you can be picky with bulls you pick and cows you keep.
    Fertility is the number one in my book. If ye don't have that then that's Where ye start.
    Mine us only 84 here so want to rise it alot

    Everyone should be picky with the bulls they use,fertility is key yes but u could end up with a massively fertile cow with a small volume of milk which is now why the ai companies are looking for bulls with high milk sub index.ebi is delievering but occasionally it can throw up a bad one,equally I have 3 cows with very low ebi bred by lord Lilly who constantly bring super stock and go in calf every year doing large volumes of milk and solids


  • #64
    Greengrass1
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    mahoney_j wrote: »
    Everyone should be picky with the bulls they use,fertility is key yes but u could end up with a massively fertile cow with a small volume of milk which is now why the ai companies are looking for bulls with high milk sub index.ebi is delievering but occasionally it can throw up a bad one,equally I have 3 cows with very low ebi bred by lord Lilly who constantly bring super stock and go in calf every year doing large volumes of milk and solids

    Yes but if you look at the bulls in the book there is very little wrong with them in type wise unless you are being very picky.
    Equally I have cows low on fert that are hard got back in calf. Ye do have to pick and choose your cows though on what bulls you use on them.


  • #65
    Gillespy
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    Even type bulls used incorrectly used can throw poorly structured cows. More likely to happen with EBI as it simply doesn't matter. It actually rewards poor type. There aren't too many bulls over €250 that have reasonable type. The dam and the generations of breeding gone into here is going to have to do a lot of work to protect some of these bulls. Nice that the guys that played their game have realized it's a bit more than breeding by numbers.


  • #66
    stanflt
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    Gillespy wrote: »
    Even type bulls used incorrectly used can throw poorly structured cows. More likely to happen with EBI as it simply doesn't matter. It actually rewards poor type. There aren't too many bulls over €250 that have reasonable type. The dam and the generations of breeding gone into here is going to have to do a lot of work to protect some of these bulls. Nice that the guys that played their game have realized it's a bit more than breeding by numbers.



    What would you do with an smr bull that is 297 Ebi. Milk sub index of 101 and had a type figure of 1.7uddet 1.9 f&l and 1.67 overall


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  • #67
    stanflt
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    mahoney_j wrote: »
    stanflt wrote: »

    Expecting results of mine back this week,hope I get a phone call and not a text!!.13 gone so far.i have one praticular pkr bull that dovea,euro gene and ncbc all sent me letters for and also got a phone call from dovea and ncbc just to check he isxstill there.fingers crossed.presume if a calf is selected they take him fairly quick.congrats also by the way!!!.what sort of ebi are we talking about


    good luck tomorrow


  • #68
    mahoney_j
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    stanflt wrote: »
    mahoney_j wrote: »


    good luck tomorrow

    Thanks stan,sent off 2 on Tuesday got a text from ncbc today saying that they are only testing obe of them due to them exceeding there genotyping target.anyway fingers crossed!!


  • #69
    mahoney_j
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    stanflt wrote: »
    What would you do with an smr bull that is 297 Ebi. Milk sub index of 101 and had a type figure of 1.7uddet 1.9 f&l and 1.67 overall

    Bit of research to be done to improve on that!!


  • #70
    stanflt
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    mahoney_j wrote: »
    Bit of research to be done to improve on that!!


    ncbc didnt want him


  • #71
    mahoney_j
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    mahoney_j wrote: »
    stanflt wrote: »

    Thanks stan,sent off 2 on Tuesday got a text from ncbc today saying that they are only testing obe of them due to them exceeding there genotyping target.anyway fingers crossed!!

    Got the feckin text ,first batch of 6 tested didn't want any if them.ebi ranging 362,337,328,325,300 and 236.ah well maby next week.7 more awaiting results.gen evaluation reports to follow.


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  • #72
    stanflt
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    mahoney_j wrote: »
    mahoney_j wrote: »

    Got the feckin text ,first batch of 6 tested didn't want any if them.ebi ranging 362,337,328,325,300 and 236.ah well maby next week.7 more awaiting results.gen evaluation reports to follow.


    There serious ebis that I could only dream of- your fertility must be excellent

    I think the bulls have to be over 200 kg of milk this year because of the re evaluation coming in August


  • #73
    Milked out
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    stanflt wrote: »
    Milked out wrote: »


    thats a great cow imo
    good solid type and great milk and fertility
    whens he available


    Hopefully straws will be out in jan, he'd be 14 months at the end of dec, all going well.


  • #74
    stanflt
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    Got another phone call

    Calf is out of a lovely hva from An flt grand dam


  • #75
    mahoney_j
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    stanflt wrote: »
    Got another phone call

    Calf is out of a lovely hva from An flt grand dam

    Congrats again!!.question if ncbc reject a calf could I approach dovea or lic or would they have access to the report to view??.ncbc are testing all mine even though I got letters from dovea and lic for some


  • #76
    stanflt
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    mahoney_j wrote: »
    Congrats again!!.question if ncbc reject a calf could I approach dovea or lic or would they have access to the report to view??.ncbc are testing all mine even though I got letters from dovea and lic for some

    I would offer calves to other companies all they can say is no

    Next evaluation is out in April
    Your calves could go up


  • #77
    Milked out
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    stanflt wrote: »
    Got another phone call

    Calf is out of a lovely hva from An flt grand dam

    Well done, your on a roll this year. Did FLTs' dam have many daughters or is she still knocking about herself?


  • #78
    Sam Kade
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,313 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    No mad prices for dairy stock in Corrin today maiden heifers average wt 314 kg average price €703 calves first 3 made €230-260 rest unsold @ €150


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