Heifer prices 2015/2016

freedominacup

Sticking to the post 2015 prediction craze that's sweeping F&F at the moment. What will dairy heifers be making next spring and the one after? Is it certain that they will be mad money? Don't the majority of the incumbents incl everyone here have a good supply of heifers for the coming years and if we do how much extra demand will there be and where will it come from? I know it seems like a no brainer that they will be very expensive but in quota times 10-12k head of an oversupply nationally could knock £200 off the value of dairy heifers and with all of these extra girls knocking around will the demand be there to soak them up?

stanflt

freedominacup wrote: »

Sticking to the post 2015 prediction craze that's sweeping F&F at the moment. What will dairy heifers be making next spring and the one after? Is it certain that they will be mad money? Don't the majority of the incumbents incl everyone here have a good supply of heifers for the coming years and if we do how much extra demand will there be and where will it come from? I know it seems like a no brainer that they will be very expensive but in quota times 10-12k head of an oversupply nationally could knock £200 off the value of dairy heifers and with all of these extra girls knocking around will the demand be there to soak them up?

Heifer prices predicted to jump 2-800 euro a head


In reality quota kept prices down
Take one of my cows for example
9000 litres delivered per year at 18cpl avg

Nearly 1800 in revenue and then you also get a calf

If she doesn't make 2200 why would I sell her

Give a man a cheap cow and he has no risk with her

Takes a lot of looking after animals to get them calving at 2 yo

bob charles

Allot will depend on our TB situation I would think, if things start going like the UK, which they seem to be around me, it will have a serious effect on price. On the supply side is that every cow will be getting sexed semen and the herd could have 75% replacement with such and not effect price. How much things cost to supply may become irrelevant with market forces, just look at the beef business

Gillespy

Rubbing my hands at the thought of bumper heifer and cow prices. Those of us with modest expansion plans will cash in.

sheebadog

Prepping here to collect also. Building up numbers hard ATM. Using 30% sexed now and will probably go 75% next year.
The plan is to build up a good production quota with the Coop and if things in dairy look like they will overheat, I'll sell the lot.
Easy enough to get back in later.

keep going

Just wondering whats going on in your area as regards post 2015, the general feeling in west cork seems to be that there will be more milk produced by incumbent suppliers but there isn't a heap of new suppliers coming.its sort of reflected in dairy stock prices in that in bulling heifers and heifer calves are not going mad all together

biddy2013

had 2 fellas ring me in the last week selling dairy stock. Calved cows and heifers, is there no market for them at the minute?

Brown Podzol

biddy2013 wrote: »

had 2 fellas ring me in the last week selling dairy stock. Calved cows and heifers, is there no market for them at the minute?

I have had four enquiries for dairy stock since Christmas, all for export to Uk. It's the price of milk at the moment and the tb situation that is creating the demand in the UK and looking ahead I think the price of milk will be the main driver of heifer price here. A strong milk price and unfettered production and we could be importing dairy stock. Personally over €2k and I would be selling the bottom end of my heifers and not making a fortune considering the cost, effort and generations of breeding in them and if they are not making this price then sexed semen to produce enough replacements for my own herd and AA bulls to clean up.

Farmer Pudsey

It will all be dependent on milk price. A strong milk price(above 35c/L) weill see strong prices for dairy heifers. A price below this down around the 30c/L will really dampen prices. The good operator will hold off at high prices and wait for realistic prices. When sexed semen is completely proven technology it will be time to get out of town The glut of heifers for the first year or two will dampen prices

milkprofit

biddy2013 wrote: »

had 2 fellas ring me in the last week selling dairy stock. Calved cows and heifers, is there no market for them at the minute?

What price i have 10 to sell

biddy2013

milkprofit wrote: »

What price i have 10 to sell

i didnt go there. Not interested at the minute

sheebadog

Cows are a strong trade in this neck of the woods.
In fact they are hard to source, I'm having to go to Holland to get some sort of a selection. Good money too.

maxxuumman

sheebadog wrote: »

Cows are a strong trade in this neck of the woods.
In fact they are hard to source, I'm having to go to Holland to get some sort of a selection. Good money too.

Is the strong trade down to milk price, or expansion for 2015.

sheebadog

maxxuumman wrote: »

Is the strong trade down to milk price, or expansion for 2015.

Both Max. All dairy around here are either getting out or getting bigger.

Price also inflates.

frazzledhome

Bulling heifers are a strong trade, if you have the right ones

moy83

sheebadog wrote: »

Both Max. All dairy around here are either getting out or getting bigger.

Price also inflates.

Do ye use many xbreeds over there or stick mostly to pedigree ?

sheebadog

moy83 wrote: »

Do ye use many xbreeds over there or stick mostly to pedigree ?

Xbreeding is frowned upon even the beef breeds would be pure.
However I'm trying some crosses.

mahoney_j

sheebadog wrote: »

Xbreeding is frowned upon even the beef breeds would be pure.
However I'm trying some crosses.

Down with that sort of thing!!!!.ill have no support left here soon

stanflt

mahoney_j wrote: »

Down with that sort of thing!!!!.ill have no support left here soon

Looking at bulls in the lic catelog last week would have me tempted

Big decisions ahead

frazzledhome

stanflt wrote: »

Looking at bulls in the lic catelog last week would have me tempted

Big decisions ahead

Tell ye boys, it would be some boost to ye're business'

mahoney_j

stanflt wrote: »

Looking at bulls in the lic catelog last week would have me tempted

Big decisions ahead

It'd be a massive decison all right stan,especially for a herd like yours.youve got nearly a complete package.a fertile cow that dose a high volume of milk with high kg of solids.and to think its with all high ebi Holstein freisans makes it all the better.do you not feel that if u go x breeding you will devalue your herd as stock sales will also take a hit.personaly think your going the right way as it is by dropping volume to 7500 delievered on 1.2 or 1.4 tonne of meal.

stanflt

mahoney_j wrote: »

It'd be a massive decison all right stan,especially for a herd like yours.youve got nearly a complete package.a fertile cow that dose a high volume of milk with high kg of solids.and to think its with all high ebi Holstein freisans makes it all the better.do you not feel that if u go x breeding you will devalue your herd as stock sales will also take a hit.personaly think your going the right way as it is by dropping volume to 7500 delievered on 1.2 or 1.4 tonne of meal.

Yeah I definitely won't need to cross breed
There is hols bull available next year with milk sub indexes of 127
With great breeding behind
Wink wink nudge nudge
Just off the press

mahoney_j

stanflt wrote: »

Yeah I definitely won't need to cross breed
There is hols bull available next year with milk sub indexes of 127
With great breeding behind
Wink wink nudge nudge
Just off the
Postman bought u good news this am so stan!!

stanflt

mahoney_j wrote: »

stanflt wrote: »

Yeah I definitely won't need to cross breed
There is hols bull available next year with milk sub indexes of 127
With great breeding behind
Wink wink nudge nudge
Just off the
Postman bought u good news this am so stan!!

Got a phone call

I knew on fri evening as 4 calves out of a group of 5 came back as the usual text and there was no text for this calf

Dam did 5.46 fat and 3.76 p 7200 litres and calved 330 days as a heifer

She is an flt

sheebadog

stanflt wrote: »

mahoney_j wrote: »

Got a phone call

I knew on fri evening as 4 calves out of a group of 5 came back as the usual text and there was no text for this calf

Dam did 5.46 fat and 3.76 p 7200 litres and calved 330 days as a heifer

She is an flt

I'd take a few heifers like that off of you Stan!
My solids are a disgrace. That's the reason I'm xbreeding into Swiss Brown.
Using a few Jerseys also.
BTW congrats.

Gillespy

It's a big decision for me too. Do I open it or put in straight into the bin? I really should ask LIC to stop sending me stuff.

Congrats on your bull, Stan. Goodness knows why you want to even consider crossbreeding. You've the best of both worlds.

mahoney_j

stanflt wrote: »

mahoney_j wrote: »

Got a phone call

I knew on fri evening as 4 calves out of a group of 5 came back as the usual text and there was no text for this calf

Dam did 5.46 fat and 3.76 p 7200 litres and calved 330 days as a heifer

She is an flt

Expecting results of mine back this week,hope I get a phone call and not a text!!.13 gone so far.i have one praticular pkr bull that dovea,euro gene and ncbc all sent me letters for and also got a phone call from dovea and ncbc just to check he isxstill there.fingers crossed.presume if a calf is selected they take him fairly quick.congrats also by the way!!!.what sort of ebi are we talking about

stanflt

mahoney_j wrote: »

stanflt wrote: »

Expecting results of mine back this week,hope I get a phone call and not a text!!.13 gone so far.i have one praticular pkr bull that dovea,euro gene and ncbc all sent me letters for and also got a phone call from dovea and ncbc just to check he isxstill there.fingers crossed.presume if a calf is selected they take him fairly quick.congrats also by the way!!!.what sort of ebi are we talking about

Over 300 but the milk sub index is 127 which is one of the highest yet

Milked out

mahoney_j wrote: »

stanflt wrote: »

Expecting results of mine back this week,hope I get a phone call and not a text!!.13 gone so far.i have one praticular pkr bull that dovea,euro gene and ncbc all sent me letters for and also got a phone call from dovea and ncbc just to check he isxstill there.fingers crossed.presume if a calf is selected they take him fairly quick.congrats also by the way!!!.what sort of ebi are we talking about

Once the genomic results come back the right way they will take two bloods from the calf and dam and test those for ibr in the calf and johnes in the dam,not sure wat else, may take about 3 weeks. They seem to be really looking for production to go with the fertility side

stanflt

Milked out wrote: »

mahoney_j wrote: »

Once the genomic results come back the right way they will take two bloods from the calf and dam and test those for ibr in the calf and johnes in the dam,not sure wat else, may take about 3 weeks. They seem to be really looking for production to go with the fertility side

Jersey like solids with hols production

Milked out

stanflt wrote: »

Milked out wrote: »

Jersey like solids with hols production

Munster bought one of our autumn bulls, and talking to the man that called to us he reckoned high yielding high solids bulls is what fellas will be looking for once milking blocks are fully stocked, Its what a lot a lads are looking for already. Do you reckon the current crop of genomic bulls will stay for a number of years or will there always be the new bulls coming?

stanflt

Milked out wrote: »

stanflt wrote: »

Munster bought one of our autumn bulls, and talking to the man that called to us he reckoned high yielding high solids bulls is what fellas will be looking for once milking blocks are fully stocked, Its what a lot a lads are looking for already. Do you reckon the current crop of genomic bulls will stay for a number of years or will there always be the new bulls coming?

What is his sire stack and what kind of milk- would love to use him

Milked out

stanflt wrote: »

Milked out wrote: »

What is his sire stack and what kind of milk- would love to use him

He is an ABO out of a DEU cow whos' dam is out of NEL, (Galtee Noel). His Milk sub index is 137, 267 kg milk, 20 kg fat, 21 kg protein. The Dam is a good cow in fairness, calved every oct for the last 4 years. avg completed lactations of 7541kg, 579kg f+p, 297days, The type of cow you don't notice really, milks fine, goes back in calf with little fuss. Classeified vg85

keep going

Heard of a deal today 45 je cross bulling heifers 915 a piece heading to wales

Milked out

915 for maidens, thats fair going alrite. the export market is keeping prices ticking over at the moment i'd say, if the uk makes inroads on its tb problem it will surely just boil down to domestic conditions in any given year, milk price and weather/ feed issues

Sam Kade

keep going wrote: »

Heard of a deal today 45 je cross bulling heifers 915 a piece heading to wales

Was that the farmer buying direct? Can't see an exporter paying that price.

Deepsouthwest

stanflt wrote: »

Looking at bulls in the lic catelog last week would have me tempted

Big decisions ahead

Certainly don't mean to be down on LIC, as I've been using them for yrs, but the health sub index on a lot of their bulls is definitely a concern for me, esp their friesan bulls. Apparently the weightings for EBI are to be changed again nxt yr, with much for emphasis being put on health. Plenty guys never look beyond milk and fertility sub index and I think we need to be careful

frazzledhome

keep going wrote: »

Heard of a deal today 45 je cross bulling heifers 915 a piece heading to wales

This would not be an unusual price usually run at around a grand for maidens

moy83

frazzledhome wrote: »

This would not be an unusual price usually run at around a grand for maidens

Can you send incalf cows or heifers over to the uk ? How close to calving can they travel do you know ?

frazzledhome

moy83 wrote: »

Can you send incalf cows or heifers over to the uk ? How close to calving can they travel do you know ?

Yes, I do it all the time. If they look like calving within 2-3 wks ie very sprung up Dept will not allow travel. You'd know yourself by looking at them before they leave the yard

Greengrass1

Fathers friend bought 18 fresh calvedd cows/heifers in kilkenny mart thus week.
Said bulling heifers only making 500 and some not even getting a bid

Sam Kade

frazzledhome wrote: »

This would not be an unusual price usually run at around a grand for maidens

Any maiden heifer going that price would want some breeding behind her, and definitely not jex. You can buy calved jex heifers for 1000.

Sam Kade

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Fathers friend bought 18 fresh calvedd cows/heifers in kilkenny mart thus week.
Said bulling heifers only making 500 and some not even getting a bid

Same here in Cork I saw 2 yr old maiden heifers in kanturk they went to 600 seller wanted 650 but the bidder left him keep them.

biddy2013

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Fathers friend bought 18 fresh calvedd cows/heifers in kilkenny mart thus week.
Said bulling heifers only making 500 and some not even getting a bid

what did he pay for the cows/heifers?

Greengrass1

biddy2013 wrote: »

what did he pay for the cows/heifers?

Don't know. He wouldn't really tell you.
They breed all the cows to CH and the young lad us cracking up over this

keep going

Sam Kade wrote: »

Any maiden heifer going that price would want some breeding behind her, and definitely not jex. You can buy calved jex heifers for 1000.

They were sold from the shinagh farm in bandon so un less our board member is telling porky pies.there is big demand for larger numbers of je crosses .went to the mart last week and the number of 4 and 5 year old dry cows inside there was frithening.met my buddy who works in bandon and skibbereen marts and he said its been the same all this year.he reckons that because heifer prices are artificially low fellas are letting off not in calf cows whereas before they would have been brought around.so why is there more demand for fr heifers in the mart-because its full of fellas who have just sold their 2 nd or third lactation dry cow not fellas who have jerseys

Sam Kade

keep going wrote: »

They were sold from the shinagh farm in bandon so un less our board member is telling porky pies.there is big demand for larger numbers of je crosses .went to the mart last week and the number of 4 and 5 year old dry cows inside there was frithening.met my buddy who works in bandon and skibbereen marts and he said its been the same all this year.he reckons that because heifer prices are artificially low fellas are letting off not in calf cows whereas before they would have been brought around.so why is there more demand for fr heifers in the mart-because its full of fellas who have just sold their 2 nd or third lactation dry cow not fellas who have jerseys

I've been to a few dairy sales this spring in north Cork not many old cows for sale only first and second calvers and a lot of them are going home again because of low or no bids.

blackdog1

Sam Kade wrote: »

I've been to a few dairy sales this spring in north Cork not many old cows for sale only first and second calvers and a lot of them are going home again because of low or no bids.

If you have good stock breeding heifers are between 800-1000. Thats for pedigree hol.

milkprofit

blackdog1 wrote: »

If you have good stock breeding heifers are between 800-1000. Thats for pedigree hol.

Would it be more profitable to sell fr Hf calves for 500e or to sell fresh Calved in 2 yrs
What would be the cost of sales

stanflt

milkprofit wrote: »

Would it be more profitable to sell fr Hf calves for 500e or to sell fresh Calved in 2 yrs
What would be the cost of sales

Had 4 out today

Avg 1930 with one only making 1380

It was a tough sale

Greengrass1

Discussion group meeting today on members farm.
He is one of highest in country on ebi and has two bulls in progressive this year.
He reckons lads that bought heifers off him had better ones than he himself had as he kept the ones with highest ebi and didn't look at there type