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Would be getting a bit out of hand paying 30m for him I think

If we try and get a top midfielder after what's stopping the other club using that figure as a measure and saying they want double.

Hopefully under 20m

Mars Bar wrote: »

He's surely the most lethal striker we've had in the youth academy in a long, long time?

Last time I was so impressed by a performance in the U21's was Federico Macheda away to Newcastle in 2008, he bagged a hat-trick that day, and 4 days later he came off the bench against Aston Villa and scored THAT goal. Next week he deflected a Scholes shot in for a goal but during the celebration he mysteriously vanished, never to be seen again.

TheDoc wrote: »

Just came on to post that. Gutted for him

Felt he was going to shine at this world cup. Hopefully gets back and strong...tremendous midfielder.

have watched him a lot with Roma this season and its an awful shame we didnt sign him. It was said at the time that he was nearly a done deal but Moyes didnt fancy him . He would walk into our team

michael999999 wrote: »

Ain't going to work like that I'm afraid though is it. Players better than Rooney that ye want to sign are going to say I want more than him!

It does work like that though. If a player proves he's better than Rooney at United then he might get paid more. It's also about how strong of a brand a player is. Rooney is Englands best and most marketable player. His value is greater than just what he does on the pitch.

michael999999 wrote: »

Ain't going to work like that I'm afraid though is it. Players better than Rooney that ye want to sign are going to say I want more than him!

It's extremely unlikely that we'll be signing players better than Rooney. Even if everything was going swimmingly at the club, signing players better than Rooney would be unlikely.

xtal191 wrote: »

Roll on Sunday!

Dreading it personally. It'll be almost 5 years to the day they last whacked us in OT as well.

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

It's not that players will want the same as Rooney. But I think they will want relative to Rooney. So a player who might usually have gotten 100k a year will now look at how badly United need him, and how Rooney got an inflated contract and look to inflate their own. Even if it's only 50% more! it all adds up.

Everyone United will go negotiating with this summer, the power will be in their hands...

Rooney's contract is no more inflated than it was when we signed RVP or Mata though.

Agueroooo wrote: »

Didn't the BBC report that the slight delay in the Rooney deal was to iron out some image rights issues, and a clause stipulation that he is to be the highest paid player at the club.

First I've heard of that, sounds like rubbish tbh, players don't sign for City and quote Yaya Toures reported wages.

Rooneys contract which for what we know was just a 50k pay rise shouldn't mean anything to incoming players.

beno619 wrote: »

First I've heard of that, sounds like rubbish tbh, players don't sign for City and quote Yaya Toures reported wages.

Rooneys contract which for what we know was just a 50k pay rise shouldn't mean anything to incoming players.

But it isn't even a 50k pay rise in terms of salary.

His weekly wage at united is the same now as it was at the start of the season. the extra 50k being reported is the value being placed on the new sponsorship deals the United commercial team will gain for Rooney as part of the new agreement (previously Rooneys team would have been responsible for his personal sponsorship deals, now the United commercial team will do this as well - and our commercial team rocks).

keeponhurling wrote: »

Yes they are going to care about missing out on CL.
They are not going to be picking out a team 7th as potential CL winners down the road, just because they won it in 2008 with a different squad.

Yes money is important, but on balance United will need to outspend their rivals for top players.

Mata, good as he is, was surplus to requirements at Chelsea and more importantly nobody else came in for him.
At the time he signed grabbing 4th place was still a possibility, with RVP and Rooney coming back from injury etc.

Such a pity they made such a mess of last summers window, as well as Moyes ridiculous team selections

Moutinho, Rodriguez, Falcao - all signed for Monaco without CL football.

Man City signed Yaya Toure, David Silva, Edin Dzecko, Carlos Tevez, Mario Balotelli and Robinho without CL football.

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Moutinho, Rodriguez, Falcao - all signed for Monaco without CL football.

Man City signed Yaya Toure, David Silva, Edin Dzecko, Carlos Tevez, Mario Balotelli and Robinho without CL football.

A team that only got promoted from Ligue 2 in the summer.

Regarding Kroos, I think that he's holding out for the bigger deal from Bayern, but I think he could be waiting for it. Bayern have a very good financial plan in place, and won't be taken to the cleaners. But I think they will come to an agreement before the WC. Is Ribery still their highest paid player?

Macca07 wrote: »

A team that only got promoted from Ligue 2 in the summer.

Regarding Kroos, I think that he's holding out for the bigger deal from Bayern, but I think he could be waiting for it. Bayern have a very good financial plan in place, and won't be taken to the cleaners. But I think they will come to an agreement before the WC. Is Ribery still their highest paid player?

Ribery and Robben matched highest at 165k. United are offering Kroos more than that.

If it is down to money United have a good chance, as I don't think Bayern will break wage structure to pay Kroos the same as their top earners, never mind more. However, I wouldn't be surprised to see Kroos accept a lower contract at Bayern - remain one of the top players in arguably the best team in the world right now - rather than take the gamble of moving to United (gamble in terms of on the field success).

There is also the very real likelihood that should Kroos actually look to leave in the summer, other big hitting CL sides will come in for him.

I do think United can make big signings this summer, but I do hope we have a large list of targets drawn up because getting our first choices is going to be very difficult. Money and a hard sell on the 'project' at hand will be required, and other clubs can offer similar/more with CL football already.

What type of midfielder is William Carvalho?

Macca07 wrote: »

What type of midfielder is William Carvalho?

defensive midfielder.

From what I have read he has great positioning and reading of the game. Good tackler, big solid lad.

not too quick (though some dispute this), picks up more than his share of yellows and passing is not great. from what I gather he won't be instigating and creating wonderful attacks. He stops the opposition, and gives the ball to a team mate - that seems to be his role.

Would be a good addition to the squad based on that, imo. Could be great alongside a player like Kroos (*Swoon*) giving him more freedom to attack, with Carvalho sweeping and covering behind.