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copper12 · 02-03-2014 9:43pm

that is where there was a repair done 20 or 30 years ago’ they used pine for the replacement boards’ in the next couple of weeks I should be removing some of the planks that have not been touched since she was built .
I might have read some where that the polish builders used a tenic whereby
they hammered a line’ along the centre of each board’ inserted cotton’ pulled the boards together like they do with floor boards’ once the board received some moisture it compressed the cotton thereby creating a seal

tinski07 · 02-03-2014 10:21pm

Interesting, haven't heard of that before, there planking must have been really accurate. At least you shouldn't need to recaulk anything other than the planks you change and you can just put a caulking bevel on those and caulk them the traditional way. A millimeter or two is enough just so you can get a slim caulking iron in to open them up a little. The cotton and putty is forgiving if you make em a little big. Just get the inside edge of the plank as tight as you can.

fergal.b · 07-03-2014 8:01pm

Here is a video on spiling planks that might help you out. http://tour.offcenterharbor.com/fb-spiling/

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copper12 · 08-03-2014 12:17am

Evening all
The silicon bronze screws, 300 ;have arrived. all the way from the Americas
So there will be a lot of screwing around this weekend
Most of the brass’ and about half of the stainless’ that I have tried to extract so far have snapped .
Luckily’ I left them long inside’ just in case; I should be able to grip them and screw them true; and out from the inside
I am almost finished with the ribs’ scarfing’ and lapping’ fitting Dutchman’s
so things are moving along nicely’ snails pace,, so myself and Lidle and Aldi have still lots more to do
Fergal.b thanks for the link’ a picture tells a thousand words’ a video speaks volumes; thanks again

Happyman42 · 08-03-2014 1:47pm

fergal.b wrote: »

Here is a video on spiling planks that might help you out. http://tour.offcenterharbor.com/fb-spiling/

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Fascinating craftsmanship! Cheers for posting.

fergal.b · 14-03-2014 11:12am

Another video on steam bending planks without using a box, handy if you want to do them in place.

copper12 · 16-03-2014 6:48am

thanks for the video Fergal I will surly use the knowledge gained from it
I had something similar in mind with tinfoil and rags socked with water
I am starting to scarf some boards here’s a few picks
To all those that have posted Thanks for all the advise
It’s a huge learning curve for me

copper12 · 19-03-2014 12:13am

still scarfing in planks

copper12 · 19-03-2014 12:15am

a few more
:P

fergal.b · 19-03-2014 12:30am

Looking really good, your getting a nice tight fit on the planks.

copper12 · 23-03-2014 8:13pm

Finished replacing the couple of planks on the starboard side
Scarffed in the joints; while it’s not a perfect job:cool: it’s the best I could do
I will leave the caulking until I am finished with the inside

copper12 · 01-04-2014 1:31am

Evening all
I am still tipping away
Replacing the planks’’ is a slow and tedious job’ I am lucky to get one board, fitted a day.
Depending on the weather; I am almost halfway there
I had to get an other 300 bronze screws; they seem to disappear into the boat
Even though’ I drill a pilot hole’ wax the screw’ there are still a few heads’ that spin off
In this case; I drill a lager bung hole’ just a few mills deep’ put another screw’ fitted with an old copper rove; alongside it, rather than trying to get the broken screw out
Reclaim’ Reuse’ and recycle, has always been my motto, putting this into practice’ I try and reuse the old copper roves’ and nails as much as I can’ old mantelpiece; new king’s amethyst stringer.

copper12 · 09-04-2014 2:47am

Evening all
I am still tipping away
There are twenty planks; on each side of the boat
On the starboard side; I am repairing at least eighteen of them
Some’ I only have to replace about a metre’ others at least five or six meters
There’s a lot of work involved in replacing each plank
Trying to match the bevel’ the way the plank cups; the way it rises from the stern to the bow
Slowly but surely I am getting there

breghall · 09-04-2014 7:21am

copper12, i really admire your dedication to this project. To be still 'tipping' away (outside) at her, after the winter we've had, and not to loose the desire to get her completed is something i've admired about this thread.

Hopefully now you'll get better weather and can finish the planking soon at least.

good job so far..

copper12 · 11-04-2014 8:30pm

Evening all
I have attached a few photos’ rather than go into to much detail’ I will leave the photos’ tell the tail
I have changed from using the callipers’ to using strips of ply wood
I am making much better use of the planks
The scarf joint’ you will see the nail hole’ before and after’ I will give another post on this later
Almost to the top now; the last board’ I will have to leave until I replace the 2 4x2 pine on the inside

copper12 · 13-04-2014 7:43pm

Evening all
Made the most of the good weather this weekend
I have gone as far as I can go’ replacing the planks; on the port side
The last plank’ this is about six to eight inches wide’ and has a lot of hardware bolted true it’ from the inside; the section around the mast step’ every rib is bolted true’ bolt goes true plank’ rib’ then filler piece’ then true two 3x2 pine; one that runs the whole length of the boat; the other runs; about five ribs either side of the mast step;
The top plank will have to be replaced the whole length of the port side
This is where the fun starts’ in order to do this, I have to repair the bow section
It didn’t look to bad until I went at it; turns out, the is a lot of rot there;
I have to replace bolts; and brackets’ in this section anyway’ it turns out that this section is made up of mahogany and oak planks laminated together.
I was due a bit of luck it should not be to difficult to repair

The pictures tell the story

copper12 · 13-04-2014 7:44pm

a few more

fergal.b · 13-04-2014 7:56pm

She is really starting to come together, fair play to you for not giving up on her it will all be worth it in the end when your heading of into the sunset.

copper12 · 16-04-2014 11:28pm

Evening all
I have been working on the bow section the last couple of days I have to get this sorted before I can work on the rest of the boat
It is made up of laminated pieces of oak and mahogany reaching a thickness of six inches
You can from some of the photos how it made up I have begun to remove the rotted sections o will laminate new wood onto this
I had hoped to save the decking but alas this will not be the case although I was able to remove half a dozen strips by the time I had then cleaned up I was only left with about 9mm so it would not be worth the effort so I get some teak planks and rip a new deck
The pictures will tell the story

copper12 · 16-04-2014 11:30pm

a few more

copper12 · 16-04-2014 11:30pm

two more

copper12 · 20-04-2014 4:42am

I have almost repaired the bow section
The starboard side was in good condition, so I wont be replacing the amount of planks,
that I have to on the port side; put in teak pieces’ glued with reconcile’ and bolted’
it turned out ok’ there was a lot of intricate cuts and bevels here
Anyway the pictures will tell the story
Any comments welcome; any advise more than welcome

copper12 · 28-04-2014 9:33pm

still tipping away

copper12 · 28-04-2014 9:40pm

one or two more
anyone know where I can get the rest of the fittings for a mast
the roller boom is all that is left of the original mast
what kind of fitting does the gooseneck attach to

copper12 · 01-05-2014 10:08pm

Evening all
With the fine weather and the long evenings; I’m tipping away
Only one or two more repairs to the hull; then I will start on the deck
But for this weekend I’m off fishing

pedroeibar1 · 03-05-2014 9:02am

Thanks for the updates and photos, great to see the progress. Like many (I guess, judging by the ‘view count’) we are watching the thread with interest rather than posting. I know almost nothing about wooden boat construction, but did notice that in photo111 the planks are being scarfed – great to see the dedication to that type of precision!
For the weekend, tight lines!

copper12 · 08-05-2014 7:58pm

evening all
finished fixing that hole I made

Almost finished the port side; maybe a little bit around the transom; might need some attention but I will leave that until I remove the transom
I will then start on the starboard’ only half a dozen boards there to replace
I will post more photo in the next couple of days

copper12 · 13-05-2014 2:37am

Finished the port side starting on the starboard side
I thought I would give a brief description; on how I remove planks
After my initial survey’ to decide where I will make the cuts
This is determined by the amount of rot; and the distance between the new joints
I try and keep one or two ribs between joints
First I remove the bungs on the outside
Then I remove the nipple off the rove; I have tried all sorts of tools; grinders’ only melt the copper’ making it harder to remove the rove. I have found’ that a hack saw blade’ halved and fitted to a saw from Ldli’ or Aldi’ I cant remember where I bought it’ one of them anyway’ dose the job nicely
The attached photos tell the story

copper12 · 13-05-2014 2:38am

:P

fergal.b · 14-05-2014 12:03pm

Could be you some day

http://afloat.ie/home/item/25237-living-on-a-wooden-boat-twenty-eight-feet-video?utm_source=Ireland+Afloat&utm_campaign=13348a56fc-AfloatDaily_May145_14_2014&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_56cc7c153a-13348a56fc-405529501

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copper12 · 14-05-2014 7:28pm

http://falmouthquaypunt.blogspot.ie/

well done to the lads
Jealous
Could be me next year
:cool:

copper12 · 20-05-2014 3:48pm

Hi lads ladies
Just thought I would post a few photos
Finished the planking bar the transom
Started working on the decking

copper12 · 20-05-2014 4:00pm

I will post a few pictures of what I have done so far ASAP
There seems to be a problem’ getting good quality marine plywood
I have heard a lot of bad comments lately about the quality
Seems the ply in stock at most places’ is sourced from china’ and not the best
Originally there was 5mm ply used in her construction. how ever I intend to use 9 or 12mm
Different technique fitting teak decks; now days’ original she had 14mm teak strips’ I intend to use 10mm
So the plan is; marine ply’ epoxy fibreglass cloth over. then glued teak strips

fergal.b · 20-05-2014 4:15pm

These do good marine ply but it's not cheep :eek: http://www.wallerwickham.ie/csd/ if your going to be encapsulating it you should get away with using the cheeper stuff as long as you don't have to bend it too much as the voids in the cheeper ply can cause it to fracture.

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copper12 · 20-05-2014 4:18pm

thanks fregal
it stopped raining for five minuets

copper12 · 27-05-2014 7:43pm

Evening all
Well I’ve started on the decking; I have removed about half’ down as far as the engine bay
I have the ply’ and the fibreglass’ ready; I have given the ply’ half a dozen coats of varnish
Better to do it now, than trying to do it upside down later on
I will have to replace almost half of the rafters’ I’m sure there a another name for them
Like for like oak; I’m using the old stuff as them plates; it should make things a bit easer
Here a few photos

copper12 · 27-05-2014 7:44pm

one or two more

pedroeibar1 · 27-05-2014 8:54pm

copper12 wrote: »

....I will have to replace almost half of the rafters’ I’m sure there a another name for them
Like for like oak; I’m using the old stuff as them plates; it should make things a bit easer

I think they are called purlins... but I've also heard them referred to as deck beams? (Fergal will know!

) I do know that the central deck 'plank' from stem to mast is called the king plank and it is 'stepped' to take deck planks in ones and twos.

BrensBenz · 27-05-2014 11:16pm

copper12 wrote: »

Evening all
I haven’t posted in a while
I have been busy however
I replaced most of the metal stringers; and scarf fed in, oak pieces’ awkward trying to line up the stringer; rib; and the outside hole .
Two people’ it would have been simple; on my own thing’s go out of line’ and I have to go in and out of the boat’ several times per stringer
Replaced all the bolts’ with galvanised bolts’ coated them in ‘bitumen tar, before inserting them
Took some templates’ of two of the ribs that I need to replace’ these were positioned under the mast step’ and were rotted true’ I tried to bend 2”teak; and 1”teak; even though I steeped them in water, at 50’C to 60’C for a couple of days; by the time I had them bent; and clamped; they had cooled
the 2”inch started to crack; the inch’ held but there was to much spring back’ to get it to fit the profile’ so I opted for laminating ½” instead; this was much easer to bend and gave me all the time I needed..
These were done cold’ glued with reconcile’ and clamped; very little spring back’ so I think it will work’ if I do two opposite ribs’ together’ I can brace them against each other
I would have posed more pictures but I dropped the camera down the bilge hole so I lost them all

My first time seeing this thread - if I may say, it looks like you don't need much advice on how to renovate the boat! A handsome boat and nice work!

I'm too lazy to read the whole thread - what timber are the planks? Some years ago, I worked on a beautifully-built but neglected carvel mahogany on oak Folkboat. I have a soft spot for varnished mahogany and, luckily, when stripped, there was no sign of the old paint so she could be varnished. When varnished and dressed in her brassware, she was magnificent.

Has your paint primer eaten deep into the timber or could you consider varnish? Or "farnish" as it's known in these parts!

copper12 · 28-05-2014 6:43pm

Benzene how’s it going
She’s mahogany 22mm planks’ oak ribs; and teak decking
I am trying to replace like with like; so far I haven’t been doing to bad
I’m basically trying to copy’ what I take out, and putting it back the same way
Like you’ I think it would be a shame’ to cover all that beautiful wood’ with paint
So above the water line; varnish’ and more varnish’ if possible
The old wood’ looks good enough the clean up. and varnish time will tell
As for the brassware; I hope that when I’m finished’ my main tools, will be a pair of old tights’ and some brasso

copper12 · 03-06-2014 4:53pm

Evening all
I have been working away on the bow section; and replacing the joist’ some’ were in very good nick, so reused them; others’ I had to replace' there are a lot of intricate cuts; and since I have no idea ;what I am doing:D, it takes a while. test fit. take another bit of. fit again’ you know yourself; then the last cut you bevel it the wrong way; and you have to start again:mad:. just as well the tablets are working :eek:
The pictures tell the storey

copper12 · 03-06-2014 4:54pm

copper12 · 05-06-2014 8:27pm

Evening all
Took the cover off for the first time since I got her
Almost ready to start the decking
I am hoping that I wont have to strip the rear cabin; hopefully I can do what repairs that are needed’ without having to take it apart; time will tell

fergal.b · 05-06-2014 9:14pm

She is looking great and you can really get to see the scale of what you have taken on and just about concord, I admire you for sticking at it where many would given up and appreciate you posting your updates. Keep her lit

kfod · 07-06-2014 9:59pm

you are really getting stuck into her and getting through the work, it's great to see and when you have her finished and have the wind pulling in her sails it will be the best feeling ever.

copper12 · 08-06-2014 11:12am

Kfod thanks looking forward to it
I was looking a t Teal she’s looking well
I enjoyed the video’ you would not think the sea’ could look so calm’ around our coast
If you or Fergal’ have anything left over from your rebuild’ and you think it n may be of some use to me; I would take off your hands for a price

copper12 · 08-06-2014 11:14am

ment to say adrian

kfod · 08-06-2014 2:46pm

Cheers Copper12, it was amazingly calm that day and we were still moving along at 3 knots all sail set

There isn't much of anything left over after the build really, if anything we are a slightly short of bits to finish the interior!

copper12 · 09-06-2014 9:28pm

Evening all
I have been working on a bulkhead; below where the mast will be stepped
The old one was made up of several bits and pieces; most likely because of some repairs done over the years i have made up the cross members in oak;
There still a bit of tidying up to do

miss no stars · 11-06-2014 11:55am

fergal.b wrote: »

She is looking great and you can really get to see the scale of what you have taken on and just about concord, I admire you for sticking at it where many would given up and appreciate you posting your updates. Keep her lit

Incredible to compare that with this:

Out of interest, where did you get her and where was she sailed?

chance of a lifetime "King's Ametyst"

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