Charlatan "girl against flouride" finally exposed

Muise... wrote: »

It means Wind-Up Merchant.

TL;DR means Too long; didn't read.

I think you are a WUM of Woo because rather than googling terms as they arise, you expect us to explain everything to you so you can throw together another flimsy little argument and wind us all up.

I don't expect you to explain anything to me. I merely asked a question. If you don't want to answer it don't...

Have you? If you look back over the forum nearly everything I posted was in response to what other people said to me..

jh79 wrote: »

I'm pro fluoridation because the evidence shows it is safe and effective and I also believe that the girl against fluoride is a charlatan with some dangerous notions.

What's your opinion on the subject?

I respect your right to be pro fluoride if you believe it to be safe. I also respect your right to dislike the girl against fluoride.
As to my opinion I wouldn't put myself forward as pro or anti anything without being certain. I personally do not drink flouridated water because I am not sure and I have made the decision not to take the risk. I believe that people deliberately misrepresenting other peoples research for their own agenda is wrong and if that is what some anti fluoride people are doing this is wrong and it discredits their movement.
If she genuinely believes whatever she believes regarding other alternative therapies she is entitled to voice her opinion.
What I am against is other people insulting people for excercising their constitutional right to protest their beliefs. The reason I am interested in this beyond a liking for manners, is because I remember that many years ago, people close to me took a stance against ariel spraying of pesticides and a lot of people viciously attacked their arguments with similar scientific arguments that have since been proven untrue and people are now living with the ramifications. It is difficult to take a stand against the party line but it is important for people to stand up for their beliefs
In the words of Albert Einstein, a scientist, i presume you don't doubt his intelligence "the world is a dangerous place to live, not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it"

Jonny7 wrote: »

Most water is naturally fluoridated, typically between 0.1 and 0.3 ppm (parts per million)

My apologies. I do not drink artificially flouridated water.

srsly78 wrote: »

Those chemtrails left behind by aircraft are PROVEN to be full of mind control drugs![/QUOT

Do you believe this to be the case? I don't know much about it..

Jonny7 wrote: »

Go to the pub? buy your food and drink at supermarkets?

Then you take in artificial and natural fluorride - tons of the stuff

Do you realise fluoride is essentially industrial waste? a neurotoxic poison? it can cause skeletal fluorosis..

Just 10 parts per million over a sustained period can cause fluorosis of the bones.. your toothpaste can contain.. wait for it.. 1500 parts per million

It's easy to pluck facts out of context, arrange words in a certain way to influence people

I'd go so far as to call it a cornerstone of the growing "natural health" industry

Don't forget the quote from Albert Einstein that has nothing to do with any of his work!

Jonny7 wrote: »

Go to the pub? buy your food and drink at supermarkets?

Then you take in artificial and natural fluorride - tons of the stuff

Do you realise fluoride is essentially industrial waste? a neurotoxic poison? it can cause skeletal fluorosis..

Just 10 parts per million over a sustained period can cause fluorosis of the bones.. your toothpaste can contain.. wait for it.. 1500 parts per million

It's easy to pluck facts out of context, arrange words in a certain way to influence people

I'd go so far as to call it a cornerstone of the growing "natural health" industry

If you bothered to read my posts you would have seen me say that I am aware of the poisons in supermarket foods etc. That is why I grow a lot of my own food, make wine and try to buy organic as much as I can afford to. I use flouride free toothpaste and with small kids it has been a LONG time since I have seen the inside of a pub....But this is my choice. I am not trying to influence people about anything except to not pointlessly insult others because of a difference in opinion. I have not plucked any facts out of anywhere. I have said repeatedly that I don't know enough it to be in a position to push my opinions on anyone. I have agreed with the point that DELIBERATELY misrepresenting research for your own agenda is counterproductive..

Jester252 wrote: »

If you're not pushing to push anti-fluoride than why are posting non-stop about how you don't use fluoride? Also you've missed the point of his post

Because i was asked for my personal opinion. If you look back I didn't PUSH this until i was PUSHED. The post is that she is a charlaton, I am defending her constitutional right to protest and not be insulted. If the conditions for replying to a post are that you have to AGREE with it it would make for a pretty boring debate forum

Stark wrote: »

Her what now? There's no such thing as a constitutional right to not be insulted.

I hope I'm not violating your "constitutional rights" by correcting you.

Sorry I should have put a comma after free speech. My mistake. Thank you for correcting me.

Jonny7 wrote: »

This thread isn't about people's rights to protest (she has every right to stand up and say whatever she wants, whether true or false)

The thread is about her controversial views on fluoride itself, specifically the amount added to Irish water, and whether it is actually posing a health risk or not

You are saying you don't know enough about it, but you call it poison and seem to go to great lengths to avoid it - which appears quite clearly as you don't just accept her right to protest you accept what she is saying

Also, I am going to tell you right now, you are receiving fluoride, the plants you put in the ground, through your "organic" food, etc - it's just a safe dosage

I said I don't know enough about it to categorically tell others who believe the opposite to be true what to do. I know enough about it to choose to not take the chance, there is a difference.
I have already accepted that there is fluoride occurring naturally.
Why did you put "organic" in quotation marks, out of interest?

jh79 wrote: »

"Organic" is a marketing term devised by supermarkets to make money . Absolutely no advantage in buying "organic", your paying more for the exact same product.

Organic chemistry on the other hand is the study of compounds containing hydrogen , carbon, oxygen and nitrogen.

So have you any opinions on the girl against fluoride claims regarding fluoride and down syndrome or obesity or that castor oil cures cancer? The point of this thread is to discuss her claims after all.

Just that I don't believe that people have the right to insult her, unless you want to go out and do it to her face. I have read a lot of claims and info from both sides of the fence and it is difficult to tell what is true and what is false. I like to keep an open mind.
I do know for a fact that many governments and pharmaceutical companies have pumped a lot of money to scientific research to "prove" that something was safe and that they have later been proved without doubt that they KNEW it was UNSAFE even as they were putting out research declaring the opposite to avoid having to put their hands up to what they had already done...